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Old 08-14-2018, 08:24 AM   #96451
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The sheriff not arresting that guy is incompetence. The stand your ground law is written to be used as a legal defense - it's not the sheriff's job to decide when it applies. I agree that is a likely chance the guy is acquitted but at least there will be a trial.
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    I agree that is a likely chance the guy is acquitted but at least there will be a trial.
    You can't charge someone if you can't prove the case beyond a reasonable doubt.

    People seem to forget the system doesn't work that way.
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    Old 08-14-2018, 08:36 AM   #96453
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    He’ll be found guilty.
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    Old 08-14-2018, 08:38 AM   #96454
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    He was the aggressor and has a history of threatening to shoot people over parking/driving he disagrees with. You can’t start a fight, get pushed, and then shoot the guy that’s backing away and call that stand your ground.
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    If we were in Vegas, I'd put my money on not guilty.
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    Old 08-14-2018, 08:40 AM   #96456
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    Somehow I think if the race of the two people were swapped, we’d be getting a diff argument from some in here...
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    Old 08-14-2018, 08:41 AM   #96457
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    If we were in Vegas, I'd put my money on not guilty.
    If any of the 3 previous people that he threatened were white, heíll be found guilty.
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    Old 08-14-2018, 08:42 AM   #96458
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    He was the aggressor and has a history of threatening to shoot people over parking/driving he disagrees with. You can’t start a fight, get pushed, and then shoot the guy that’s backing away and call that stand your ground.

    That he was the aggressor doesn't matter. His history doesn't matter, and likely wont even be admitted.



    I think it's going to hinge on the backing away bit. Is that enough to remove the reason to fear for your life? I think so. Will a Florida jury? Who the fuck knows...
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    Old 08-14-2018, 08:43 AM   #96459
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    If any of the 3 previous people that he threatened were white, heíll be found guilty.



    The jury will never hear about them, I don't think.
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    He was the aggressor and has a history of threatening to shoot people over parking/driving he disagrees with.

    You canít start a fight, get pushed, and then shoot the guy thatís backing away and call that stand your ground.
    Agree and disagree

    His history is horrendous and is def out and about looking for confrontation. This can and will be used against him in a trail setting. The guy at this point deserves whatever he gets.


    As far as this particular shooting in a nutshell, it def is stand your ground.

    You can't Monday morning quarterback a civilian in this type of scenario nor can you assume that he did't feel threatened. The law isn't written that way. I think this charge is 100% beatable by itself.
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    Agree and disagree

    His history is horrendous and is def out and about looking for confrontation. This can and will be used against him in a trail setting. The guy at this point deserves whatever he gets.


    As far as this particular shooting in a nutshell, it def is stand your ground.

    You can't Monday morning quarterback a civilian in this type of scenario nor can you assume that he did't feel threatened. The law isn't written that way. I think this charge is 100% beatable by itself.

    That's not the law though; it's whether or not it was reasonable for him to feel threatened.

    We can stipulate that he WAS afraid, and still decide that it was an unreasonable fear.
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    Old 08-14-2018, 08:55 AM   #96462
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    Heíll be found guilty.
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    He was the aggressor and has a history of threatening to shoot people over parking/driving he disagrees with. You canít start a fight, get pushed, and then shoot the guy thatís backing away and call that stand your ground.
    The parallels to the Trayvon Martin case are undeniable. I think maybe that going for manslaughter and not 2nd degree murder maybe helps the prosecution vs Zimmerman, but I'd still be shocked if he is found guilty.

    Unfortunately this is Florida we are talking about and that stand your ground law is absolutely terrible; essentially removing duty to retreat and reversing the burden of proof compared to most self defense cases in states without the law. It seems like a prosecutorial nightmare and a way for killers with itchy trigger fingers to get off easy.
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    it's whether or not it was reasonable for him to feel threatened.
    Thatís what I said.
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    Old 08-14-2018, 08:57 AM   #96464
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    trump tweet crazy this morning
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    trump tweet crazy this morning
    Yikes, you aren't kidding. Called Omarosa a "dog". Dude can't help himself.

    Also, despite his tweet last night about there not being an "N-word tape"...it really seems like there is:

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/new-aud...out-of-n-word/

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    Patton then described a conversation she had with then-candidate Trump about making the slur.

    Patton: "I said, 'Well, sir, can you think of anytime where this happened?' And he said, 'no.'"

    Omarosa: "Well, that is not true."

    Patton: "He goes, how do you think I should handle it and I told him exactly what you just said, Omarosa, which is well, it depends on what scenario you are talking about. And he said, well, why don't you just go ahead and put it to bed."

    Pierson: "He said. No, he said it. He is embarrassed by it."
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    Old 08-14-2018, 09:07 AM   #96466
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    You can't charge someone if you can't prove the case beyond a reasonable doubt.

    People seem to forget the system doesn't work that way.
    he seems like a stand up dood

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/14/us/fl...nts/index.html


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    Should I post McGlocktons history?




    Dudes actions were dumb. Voluntary manslaughter should be the charge. If he gets an acquittal, I wonít be upset. Maybe the next guy will think before violently shoving someone to the ground.
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    Trump also basically saying Sessions isn't a "real attorney general" is great. Hand picked by Trump, then lost his Senate seat because he endorsed a pedophile, and now is under investigation and unprotected because Sessions had to recuse himself for lying to Congress about Russian contacts.
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    Old 08-14-2018, 09:18 AM   #96469
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    Should I post McGlocktons history?




    Dudes actions were dumb. Voluntary manslaughter should be the charge. If he gets an acquittal, I won’t be upset. Maybe the next guy will think before violently shoving someone to the ground.

    yes, post it. and explain how a drug charge in 2010 has anything to do with anything.

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    Old 08-14-2018, 09:34 AM   #96470
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    Donny is unhinged today.
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    yes, post it. and explain how a drug charge in 2010 has anything to do with anything.
    It doesn't - his post is the least surprising thing ever.
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    yes, post it. and explain how a drug charge in 2010 has anything to do with anything.
    Something, something, if they had locked him up like they should, he wouldn't have been out of prison to get himself shot.

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    Old 08-14-2018, 09:39 AM   #96473
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    Should I post McGlocktons history?




    Dudes actions were dumb. Voluntary manslaughter should be the charge. If he gets an acquittal, I won’t be upset. Maybe the next guy will think before violently shoving someone to the ground.
    The guy knew mcglocktons history when he encountered him? That would make it relevant.

    Otherwise, who cares what his history is if we are looking at a reasonable belief standard.
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    potus calling someone a dog


    and it's like 38490347802456809 on the list of dumb shit

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    Trump also basically saying Sessions isn't a "real attorney general" is great. Hand picked by Trump, then lost his Senate seat because he endorsed a pedophile, and now is under investigation and unprotected because Sessions had to recuse himself for lying to Congress about Russian contacts.
    doesn't matter

    uneducated voters don't care

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    Should I post McGlocktons history?




    Dudes actions were dumb. Voluntary manslaughter should be the charge. If he gets an acquittal, I wonít be upset. Maybe the next guy will think before violently shoving someone to the ground.



    Would you have been okay with McGlockton pulling a gun on the idiot standing over/yelling at his family and backing him off them?
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    Donny is unhinged today.
    This implies that there are days he isn't. Unhinged is his normal operating mode.
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    doesn't matter

    uneducated voters don't care

    nothing matters
    Oh of course not - but it's still funny that he lost a GOP Senate seat because he appointed Sessions and now Sessions can't even protect him, and all Trump can do about it is whine like a teenage girl on twitter.
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    Would you have been okay with McGlockton pulling a gun on the idiot standing over/yelling at his family and backing him off them?
    Guns are great - guns are ok in any situation. Guns, man.

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    doesn't matter

    uneducated voters don't care

    nothing matters
    Plenty of trump supporters are educated.
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