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Old 08-13-2018, 02:08 PM   #96391
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Capitalism has already improved the conditions of mankind immeasurably and will continue to do so
I think if you trace back the origins of many of the things that improved mankind that you are attributing to capitalism youíd find their roots in the government or government funded projects and initiatives.

Think of where the internet started, or what the army corps of engineers has built, or the government grants provided to the public institutions in the medical device and pharmaceutical research fields.
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    not at all, because I'm not saying it's everyone. People who were chanting that in cville are assholes

    you didnt say anything about them looking different, you said women would handle things civilly, from their perspective

    pretty sure a lot of people do...isn't that the basis of white supremacy
    There is no such thing as white supremacy it was made up so you could pat yourself on the back while chanting ďno borders no cops no fascist USAĒ and whatever else you guys are chanting instead of working these days. I swear these commies wouldnít hate capitalism so much if they put half as much energy into getting s job and working as they do into buying posterboard and not washing their hair.
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    Old 08-13-2018, 02:24 PM   #96393
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    No one? Huh, that's weird. Wonder what all those klansmem, neo Nazis, and white nationalists are really talking about then.



    This should be ban-worthy.
    Why? Thst savage is problematic.
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    There is no such thing as white supremacy it was made up so you could pat yourself on the back while chanting “no borders no cops no fascist USA” and whatever else you guys are chanting instead of working these days. I swear these commies wouldn’t hate capitalism so much if they put half as much energy into getting s job and working as they do into buying posterboard and not washing their hair.
    The first part of this is just dumb because it wasn't that long ago that a war started literally because of this notion. The idea that it suddenly disappeared from humanity is real dumb.

    Second, you know your life is INFINITELY better because lots of people protested all sorts of shit over the years, right?

    You can make fun of dirty wooks all you want, but get some perspective, man. Read a book or something.
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    There is no such thing as white supremacy it was made up so you could pat yourself on the back while chanting ďno borders no cops no fascist USAĒ and whatever else you guys are chanting instead of working these days. I swear these commies wouldnít hate capitalism so much if they put half as much energy into getting s job and working as they do into buying posterboard and not washing their hair.
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    Old 08-13-2018, 02:37 PM   #96396
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    The first part of this is just dumb because it wasn't that long ago that a war started literally because of this notion. The idea that it suddenly disappeared from humanity is real dumb.

    Second, you know your life is INFINITELY better because lots of people protested all sorts of shit over the years, right?

    You can make fun of dirty wooks all you want, but get some perspective, man. Read a book or something.
    The civil war wasnít about white supremacy. Lol it was about economics.

    I do not believe in any type of protest. I would 1000000% been a loyalist in the revolutionary war era. Although I do hate taxes so I am conflicted
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    There are people currently alive that interacted with people that were alive during the civil war.
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    The economics of slavery. If you want to deny that many slave owners were white supremacists, have at it.
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    Why even bother guys? I tried yesterday, but it's worthless. Troll-mod is gonna troll. He's going to say white supremacists don't exist, Kent State was good, defend neo-nazis for following local ordinance, and blame a murder victim for her fate.

    Ignore the ketchup bottle and just hope that eventually his antics will put him on track to be the next Kevaroo
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    Old 08-13-2018, 02:46 PM   #96400
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    True. At least Kevaroo's bullshit is entertaining.
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    You know Kevin chose not to be a mod right?

    Also are you really saying that neo nazis shouldn’t be allowed to speak because if you are Thst is the worst thing that has been said in here maybe ever.
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    The civil war wasnít about white supremacy. Lol it was about economics.

    I do not believe in any type of protest. I would 1000000% been a loyalist in the revolutionary war era. Although I do hate taxes so I am conflicted
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    There are people currently alive that interacted with people that were alive during the civil war.
    I meant WWII anyway
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    Old 08-13-2018, 02:50 PM   #96403
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    The economics of slavery. If you want to deny that many slave owners were white supremacists, have at it.
    Black people owned slaves too. Black people fought for the CSA. Slavery wasnít a racist system. It was economic system. Who do you think sold us slaves. Weíre the black warlords who sold us slaves racist?
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    If it was solely economics it seems weird that only blacks were slaves.
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    Economics and state's rights were huge parts of it but denying slavery was also a huge issue is laughably intellectually dishonest.
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    If it was solely economics it seems weird that only blacks were slaves.
    Weird indeed.
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    I think if you trace back the origins of many of the things that improved mankind that you are attributing to capitalism youíd find their roots in the government or government funded projects and initiatives.

    Think of where the internet started, or what the army corps of engineers has built, or the government grants provided to the public institutions in the medical device and pharmaceutical research fields.
    I also think if you look at the man made events in human history that have caused the most suffering and loss of life, many of those can be attributed to the tyranny that results from an all powerful centralized government. Our founders understood this very well.

    Iím not an anarchist. I understand thereís obviously a role for government. But my number one priority when evaluating government policy is itís impact on individual freedoms (which includes economic freedom). By itís nature socialism infringes on individual economic freedoms. Iím not arguing people like Route want us to become the USSR but I do feel itís important that thereís a counterweight to this seemingly never ending demand on the left for more powerful, activist government.

    Itís like when we talk about wealth distribution programs (and the resulting taxation) we donít even consider the awesome power this gives centralized government.
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    Weird indeed.
    Guess we will just chalk that weirdness up to the unknown!

    Another win for gocubs!
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    laughably intellectually dishonest.
    Seems to be a theme...
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    I do not believe in any type of protest. I would 1000000% been a loyalist in the revolutionary war era. Although I do hate taxes so I am conflicted
    Did you equally demonize the "Tea Party" protests at the end of the Bush years which grew exponentially into the Obama years? Cause we could likely dig something up that shows your support of those gatherings and their veiled racism.
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    Economics was a huge factor. If the North relied on slave labor to the extent of the South they would have been the ones fighting to keep slavery
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    Iím not an anarchist. I understand thereís obviously a role for government. But my number one priority when evaluating government policy is itís impact on individual freedoms (which includes economic freedom). By itís nature socialism infringes on individual economic freedoms. Iím not arguing people like Route want us to become the USSR but I do feel itís important that thereís a counterweight to this seemingly never ending demand on the left for more powerful, activist government.

    Itís like when we talk about wealth distribution programs (and the resulting taxation) we donít even consider the awesome power this gives centralized government.
    I understand that and welcome the debate. This country has moved away from some of the collective action that helped make it so successful in the twentieth century. The Ayn Randian free marketers have made many strides in dismantling this progress. I don't see many liberals advocating total centralized government, just rolling back some of the destruction the right has wrought on the nation in the last few decades. This is the pendulum swinging to that end of the spectrum for many Americans after seeing the creeping authoritarianism and reckless self interested corruption that this recent election has bestowed upon us.
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    I understand that and welcome the debate. This country has moved away from some of the collective action that helped make it so successful in the twentieth century. The Ayn Randian free marketers have made many strides in dismantling this progress. I don't see many liberals advocating total centralized government, just rolling back some of the destruction the right has wrought on the nation in the last few decades. This is the pendulum swinging to that end of the spectrum for many Americans after seeing the creeping authoritarianism and reckless self interested corruption that this recent election has bestowed upon us.
    Honest question: What collectivist progress from the 20th century have ďAyn Randian free marketeersĒ dismantled to cause ďdestruction to the nationĒ?
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    Economics was a huge factor. If the North relied on slave labor to the extent of the South they would have been the ones fighting to keep slavery
    It would have been way more split for sure, and probably way more of a political fight than it already was, but there were plenty of abolitionists with a moral backbone. And plenty of people would have stood behind Lincoln, as well.
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    I also think if you look at the man made events in human history that have caused the most suffering and loss of life, many of those can be attributed to the tyranny that results from an all powerful centralized government. Our founders understood this very well.

    Iím not an anarchist. I understand thereís obviously a role for government. But my number one priority when evaluating government policy is itís impact on individual freedoms (which includes economic freedom). By itís nature socialism infringes on individual economic freedoms. Iím not arguing people like Route want us to become the USSR but I do feel itís important that thereís a counterweight to this seemingly never ending demand on the left for more powerful, activist government.

    Itís like when we talk about wealth distribution programs (and the resulting taxation) we donít even consider the awesome power this gives centralized government.
    One of the largest roles the government plays is to take risk for the private sector. Itís an immediate risk subsidy undertaken on corporations behalf that everyone pays for but only a few benefits from financially.
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    Honest question: What collectivist progress from the 20th century have ďAyn Randian free marketeersĒ dismantled to cause ďdestruction to the nationĒ?
    I'll start the list for you.... education.
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    One of the largest roles the government plays is to take risk for the private sector. Itís an immediate risk subsidy undertaken on corporations behalf that everyone pays for but only a few benefits from financially.
    Iím kind of confused by what this means tbh. Iím assuming itís about the bailouts?

    I would say maybe government shouldnít serve that role and for the vast majority of corporations it doesnít
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    Just off the top of my head:

    Weakening or dismantling Unions
    Underfunding education
    Deregulating corporations and banks
    Lowering marginal tax rates (ie underfunding government)
    Weakening environmental laws/protections
    Campaign finance free for alls
    Attempts to weaken Social Security and Medicare
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    Economics was a huge factor. If the North relied on slave labor to the extent of the South they would have been the ones fighting to keep slavery
    If ifs and buts were candy and nuts we'd all have a Merry Christmas.
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