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Old 02-20-2019, 01:39 PM   #31
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In truth, I think late 90's DMB will be remembered. The songs that made it to the radio were truly unlike anything out there at a time when the industry was forcing formulaic approaches. They were part of a wave of bands that were shining a light on musicianship in the pop arena. Blues Traveler, Phish, and Ben Folds Five specifically brought a focus back to musicianship over primarily playing patterns. They all had a different niche than many of the bands out there coming out of early '90's power chord grunge. After the millennium, I think the legacy they leave moves away from the music they have created and becomes about their touring prowess.
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    It only took 6 posts before Phish had to rear their ugly head in this thread.
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    To answer the thread question: Took the torch from the Grateful Dead as THE amazing live band with crossover radio pop appeal with fans who travel the country to see them.
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    In truth, I think late 90's DMB will be remembered. The songs that made it to the radio were truly unlike anything out there at a time when the industry was forcing formulaic approaches. They were part of a wave of bands that were shining a light on musicianship in the pop arena. Blues Traveler, Phish, and Ben Folds Five specifically brought a focus back to musicianship over primarily playing patterns. They all had a different niche than many of the bands out there coming out of early '90's power chord grunge. After the millennium, I think the legacy they leave moves away from the music they have created and becomes about their touring prowess.
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    To answer the thread question: Took the torch from the Grateful Dead as THE amazing live band with crossover radio pop appeal with fans who travel the country to see them.
    I think both of these are good takes.

    I'm still doubtful that they will make the Rock Hall, but that's based more on what kinds of bands I think the selection committee favors than any merit on the band's part.
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    Just not true
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    Is DMB more or less noteworthy than Counting Crows or Hootie and the Blowfish?
    More noteworthy

    Not because of radio success, the bands mentioned above have more radio success. It’s because of how great of a live act they are. The whole tape trading thing like the Grateful Dead and how they were filling up stadiums and stuff.
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    Did hootie even last past 1998?
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    That is incorrect
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    I picked up a guitar because of Dave. No question about it
    Me too. Bought a Taylor too.
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    My brother picked up guitar because of Dave. I had been playing bass before I started listening to DMB, but I bought and started playing a Warwick because of Stefan. And now I've picked up acoustic guitar because, well, Dave.
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    Did hootie even last past 1998?
    Technically, yes. They were together into the mid-'00s.

    And Darius went on to a successful solo career as a country singer.
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    Just want to add that I learned guitar because of Dave Matthews
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    Technically, yes. They were together into the mid-'00s.

    And Darius went on to a successful solo career as a country singer.
    As many fading rockers have taught us... getting irrelevant? Go country
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    Picked up the acoustic guitar because I just like the sound of it and wanted to, Dave was probably the main inspiration to learn how to sing early on
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    In the general music landscape, DMB isn’t anywhere near as important as their fans would have you believe. Of cousin I think that they have it wrong, but they’re not very celebrated.

    I hate that I agree with Nick’s statement about them being generic rock now, but it’s unfortunately more true than ever. If there’s one thing that people loved or hated about the band it was their unique blend of violin,sax, acoustic guitar. Most of that had disappeared,sadly
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    I think the ultimate legacy will be paving the way for Yellowcard, which sucks.
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    I think they are one of those bands where we won't know how the type of mark they have left until they are done touring or producing. I feel like it will only take one popular person to be like "DMB was amazing" and all of a sudden people will be like yeah, wow, they were important. Probably because they are still so strongly touring and making music, people are fake-annoyed by them just like they always have been.
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    Is DMB more or less noteworthy than Counting Crows or Hootie and the Blowfish?
    While Hootie's first record went 2xDIAMOND(!) and more people probably know the words to "Only Want to be with You" or Counting Crows' "Mr Jones" than "Ants Marching" DMB has:

    - Sold more CDs and DVDs than both combined
    - Has been a top concert draw for over 20 years
    - Doesn't need to go on legacy/co-headling tours that sell their tickets on Groupon.


    I would venture to guess though that more people like those few songs from the aforementioned bands than like DMB.
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    To answer the thread question: Took the torch from the Grateful Dead as THE amazing live band with crossover radio pop appeal with fans who travel the country to see them.
    I wholeheartedly agree with this ^.

    As far as classifying them as a pop rock band, I could not disagree more. A few of their songs are “poppish”, & obv they aren’t the band they were in the 90’s, but even 2019 DMB is not a pop rock band. They are a rock band now that still jams. Not a jam band, but def not a pop rock band.

    Back in high school I thought O.A.R. was the greatest band ever outside of DMB. I listened to Any Time Now as much as any DMB live release. I still do. However, O.A.R.’s new music sucks something awful now and has for awhile. I know many here argue that DMB’s has too but I’m not in that boat. I love BW and CT. AFTW has one of my favorite DMB songs ever in Snow Outside.

    I just think that OAR has become my definition of what pop rock is. Listen to their songs they’ve released so far off of their new album, The Mighty. That’s pop rock and it’s awful. Come Tomorrow and current DMB is not. I know that music or band classification is flexible, I just would never classify DMB or their legacy as a successful pop rock band. They’re so much more than that, & even with the current lineup they’re still an incredibly unique band and the band I look forward to seeing far more than any other band each year.
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    I wholeheartedly agree with this ^.

    As far as classifying them as a pop rock band, I could not disagree more. A few of their songs are “poppish”, & obv they aren’t the band they were in the 90’s, but even 2019 DMB is not a pop rock band. They are a rock band now that still jams. Not a jam band, but def not a pop rock band.

    Back in high school I thought O.A.R. was the greatest band ever outside of DMB. I listened to Any Time Now as much as any DMB live release. I still do. However, O.A.R.’s new music sucks something awful now and has for awhile. I know many here argue that DMB’s has too but I’m not in that boat. I love BW and CT. AFTW has one of my favorite DMB songs ever in Snow Outside.

    I just think that OAR has become my definition of what pop rock is. Listen to their songs they’ve released so far off of their new album, The Mighty. That’s pop rock and it’s awful. Come Tomorrow and current DMB is not. I know that music or band classification is flexible, I just would never classify DMB or their legacy as a successful pop rock band. They’re so much more than that, & even with the current lineup they’re still an incredibly unique band and the band I look forward to seeing far more than any other band each year.
    I think most everyone on this forum will agree that DMB is not pop rock. But a bands legacy isn't only defined by their fanbase, but also what outside viewers see. Unfortunately, DMB has always caught flak by popular opinion. Many people view Dave Matthews as simply a singer-songwriter pop artist. Of course he is much more, but it will probably take a good decade after the band retires for the masses to recognize DMB as a legitimately talented and influential group in the music world.
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    I think Dave will be viewed in the same manner as mellencamp and maybe Springsteen.
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    [QUOTE=Cptn. Monkeyman;17384254]I think most everyone on this forum will agree that DMB is not pop rock. But a bands legacy isn't only defined by their fanbase, but also what outside viewers see. Unfortunately, DMB has always caught flak by popular opinion. Many people view Dave Matthews as simply a singer-songwriter pop artist. Of course he is much more, but it will probably take a good decade after the band retires for the masses to recognize DMB as a legitimately talented and influential group in the music world.[/QUOTE

    Yeah that’s true. I just saw a few pop rock comments and went on a tangent. That classification just annoys me so much bc DMB is not remotely close to being a pop rock band. The general view of the band & even just Dave for that matter from most of the masses has always just annoyed me bc it’s so skewed from the truth. I’m not a DMB FB family worshiper but myself, like majority of us here, acknowledge and appreciate the uniqueness and extreme talent Dave and the band have as musicians. The fact that the majority of the public for lack of a better word view him and/or the band as pop rock has just always bugged the shit out of me.

    I used to work with a guy who was a die hard Phish fan and HATED DMB’s music. Although he hated the music, he always acknowledged the talent they had as musicians when we would talk about comparing the two. I guess that’s why it bothers me so much bc I wish that people who genuinely love and listen to a lot of different music would at least appreciate the musicianship, song writing, lyrics etc. Idk I’m buzzed and rambling on Ants at this point.
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    I think Dave will be viewed in the same manner as mellencamp and maybe Springsteen.
    Mellencamp is fair; Springsteen is a stretch. In a peculiar way, the band itself could have the same sort of legacy as The Family Stone or Tom Petty.

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    I think most everyone on this forum will agree that DMB is not pop rock. But a bands legacy isn't only defined by their fanbase, but also what outside viewers see. Unfortunately, DMB has always caught flak by popular opinion. Many people view Dave Matthews as simply a singer-songwriter pop artist. Of course he is much more, but it will probably take a good decade after the band retires for the masses to recognize DMB as a legitimately talented and influential group in the music world.
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    As far as classifying them as a pop rock band, I could not disagree more. A few of their songs are “poppish”, & obv they aren’t the band they were in the 90’s, but even 2019 DMB is not a pop rock band. They are a rock band now that still jams. Not a jam band, but def not a pop rock band.
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    Yeah that’s true. I just saw a few pop rock comments and went on a tangent. That classification just annoys me so much bc DMB is not remotely close to being a pop rock band. The general view of the band & even just Dave for that matter from most of the masses has always just annoyed me bc it’s so skewed from the truth. I’m not a DMB FB family worshiper but myself, like majority of us here, acknowledge and appreciate the uniqueness and extreme talent Dave and the band have as musicians. The fact that the majority of the public for lack of a better word view him and/or the band as pop rock has just always bugged the shit out of me.
    I think there are a lot of misconceptions here about what it means to be pop/rock. Nobody is equating them with Nickelback, but Alt/Rock as it was in the '90s doesn't exist anymore as a viable genre. pop/rock doesn't necessarily mean corporate, safe, or the fallacy that is the claim of "sellout."

    Do they make music with the intention of it being Top 40? No, but it gets marketed, charted, advertised, and displayed that way. While we may see a distinction, the industry and public at large does not. "Satellite," "What Would You Say," "Ants Marching," "Tripping Billies," "Crash Into Me," "So Much To Say," "Too Much," "Stay (Wasting Time)," "Crush," the whole of Everyday and a lot of Stand Up, "Why I Am," "Funny The Way It Is," "Shake Me Like A Monkey," and quite a bit of Come Tomorrow all fit better into that pop/rock classification than most of us want to admit. Their career mirrors slightly that of Aerosmith, where they were extremely relevant in their hey day, went through a phase of being considered passe, and then came back with an okay Top 40 album but not much memorable since. Touring prowess has little to do with it, though that should tell you that the few who are loud about being annoyed by them are just that - a few.

    Now more than ever in the history of popular music, consumers as a whole are not looking backward at what came before. Sure, Dark Side Of The Moon will always sell, but even the 5-6 hit wonders of the past are largely forgotten or ignored because they aren't the new shiny thing.

    I agree that they are a band that can jam the ever-lovin' $#!+ of anything, but when the curtain is pulled they will be remembered as a pop/rock act from the mid-late 90s who helped bring musicianship beyond lead guitar back to popularity. It's not something to be ashamed of or angry about at all.
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    It's not like he's had a bad career
    I’m laughing because comparing dmb to Springsteen is so laughable. Springsteen is worshipped at every point of his career. Dmb is usually panned and laughed at. Probably deserved now because they’re so bland compared to what they were but just in that scope, it’s kaughable someone would say they’ll likely be compared to a Springsteen.

    I’m not the biggest Bruce guy but Dave couldn’t write something like Nebraska. Or maybe he could but would let insecurities force it to change and mainstream it up

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    I’m laughing because comparing dmb to Springsteen is so laughable. Springsteen is worshipped at every point of his career. Dmb is usually panned and laughed at. Probably deserved now because they’re so bland compared to what they were but just in that scope, it’s kaughable someone would say they’ll likely be compared to a Springsteen.

    I’m not the biggest Bruce guy but Dave couldn’t write something like Nebraska. Or maybe he could but would let insecurities force it to change and mainstream it up
    Bruce Springsteen is a laughing stock to a lot of people. Not to the same extent as Dave Matthews, but I’d say defiantly on par with Bono and John Melencamp. Bruce and Bono obviously have a devout fan following, and are generally highly respected artists. But “the Boss” is not golden in everyone’s opinion.
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    Mellencamp is fair; Springsteen is a stretch. In a peculiar way, the band itself could have the same sort of legacy as The Family Stone or Tom Petty
    DMB isnt in the same conversation at Petty and the Heartbreakers. TP&tH are in the rock and roll Hall of Fame and have some of the most legendary radio tracks in all of rock music.

    I love DMB, but please don't thrust them undeservedly into the Tom Petty conversation.


    I asked earlier about Counting Crows and Hootie - here's another two:

    Will DMB be remembered more fondly than Matchbox Twenty/Rob Thomas or Third Eye Blind?

    I'm not trying to be cute either, these are legitimate questions.
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