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Old 11-19-2020, 07:29 PM   #11311
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To: Guitar players...

Anyone know why Dave says the guitar on Again and Again is too hard and why he lets Tim play it instead?

I just looked up the tabs, played it, and quickly realized it’s actually one of the easier songs in the catalog lol... I’m confused?

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    Anyone know why Dave says the guitar on Again and Again is too hard and why he lets Tim play it instead?

    I just looked up the tabs, played it, and quickly realized itís actually one of the easier songs in the catalog lol... Iím confused?

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    I'd assume he means playing it while singing at the same time like Dreamgirl, Seven, etc. On a similar note he used to say Spaceman was really hard for him to learn to play while singing at first.
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    Old 11-19-2020, 07:47 PM   #11313
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    Anyone know why Dave says the guitar on Again and Again is too hard and why he lets Tim play it instead?

    I just looked up the tabs, played it, and quickly realized it’s actually one of the easier songs in the catalog lol... I’m confused?

    Thoughts?
    Guitar part is easy, the vocals are difficult. Although now that I think about it, he DID originally play keyboards on it while singing, so... maybe he just doesn’t want to play on it?
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    Old 11-19-2020, 08:13 PM   #11314
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    I'd assume he means playing it while singing at the same time like Dreamgirl, Seven, etc. On a similar note he used to say Spaceman was really hard for him to learn to play while singing at first.
    Thatís what he means, yep. But... itís extremely easy to sing and play it at the same time. Thatís why Iím confused.

    I mean, to play One Sweet World and sing at the same time is a lot more difficult. Or even Idea of You.

    Iím not trying to say Iím good at anything, Iím trash. Iím just lost on how he says itís difficult to play and sing what I think is probably one of the easiest songs in the catalog. Very odd.
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    Old 11-19-2020, 08:15 PM   #11315
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    Guitar part is easy, the vocals are difficult. Although now that I think about it, he DID originally play keyboards on it while singing, so... maybe he just doesnít want to play on it?
    What do you mean by difficult?

    You might be right on him just not wanting to play it. I just donít believe it when he says itís too difficult to do both. Weíre talking a guy who can do very odd things with his hands and voice at the same time. Again and Again is not up there with the complex portion of the catalog.
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    Old 11-19-2020, 11:37 PM   #11316
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    I think the "Tim plays my part" is just a joke. It was played on keys, and Buddy took that role.
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    Old 11-20-2020, 11:37 AM   #11317
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    I think the "Tim plays my part" is just a joke. It was played on keys, and Buddy took that role.
    Itís gotta be.
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    Old 11-20-2020, 02:27 PM   #11318
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    In theory since Dave played it on keys, he never wrote any guitar parts for it. It's very safe to assume that Tim's guitar parts were written by Tim. While an amazing musician and player, Tim is a decidedly more conventional guitar player. Dave has never really been a conventional guitarist and even stated in the past that simpler strumming patterns were hard for him to play.

    I actually enjoy how awkward Dave was at first when singing A&A, still the guitar strapped on, them WITHOUT the guitar, and them embracing the groove and just singing it and feeling it. It seemed to help w/ Sledgehammer too.
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    Old 11-20-2020, 03:41 PM   #11319
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    Are there any links to Dave talking about playing the guitar, his style, technique? Iíd love to read
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    Old 11-21-2020, 01:40 AM   #11320
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    Watching a Copperpot YT Vid from the Gorge in 2013. I never realized Stefan used a pick for Squirm. Looks so weird considering heís always slappiní. Anyone know of other songs he uses a pick for?
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    Old 11-22-2020, 12:17 AM   #11321
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    Guitar part is easy, the vocals are difficult. Although now that I think about it, he DID originally play keyboards on it while singing, so... maybe he just doesnít want to play on it?

    I also think that the song unlike a lot of the post roi music thrives off the open space between the keys and electric guitar. It sounds smoother with no acoustic guitar and buddy plays the keys now for the band.


    It's actually one of my favorite post roi compositions because it utilizes tim's great guitar playing with a clean sound and isn't a wall of sound allowing the keys and bass to actually shine. It's a song perfectly made for the personnel of DMB 3.5ish
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    Old 11-22-2020, 12:39 AM   #11322
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    Random dmb thoughts that don't need their own thread


    PNP->Grey + great venue + Grossi and Malta as special guests

    That is definitely in my list of the shows ďhow of I wish theyíd make a LT of itĒ
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    Old 11-22-2020, 10:45 AM   #11323
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    I just realized they haven’t played Dreaming Tree with Buddy yet. I cannot wait for that to happen if what they did with Typical and Mercy is any indication
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    Old 11-22-2020, 03:30 PM   #11324
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    Just heard a bit of Say Goodbye during a travel show on Dutch television.


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    Old 11-22-2020, 03:58 PM   #11325
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    I just realized they havenít played Dreaming Tree with Buddy yet. I cannot wait for that to happen if what they did with Typical and Mercy is any indication


    I'd be excited if they played it more but at the same time I'm so shaky in my confidence in regard to Buddy's contribution on some of their best material
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    Old 11-22-2020, 04:00 PM   #11326
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    The more I go back to recordings of 2016, the more I'm glad they got rid of Boyd and added Buddy. Performances are so tight right now, they were getting slopping with Boyd.
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    I'd be excited if they played it more but at the same time I'm so shaky in my confidence in regard to Buddy's contribution on some of their best material
    Typical, great. Seek Up, great. Nancies, great. Which material are you referring to? Lie in Our Graves?
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    Old 11-22-2020, 06:47 PM   #11328
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    Typical, great. Seek Up, great. Nancies, great. Which material are you referring to? Lie in Our Graves?

    Grace is Gone is great too IMO and almost entirely because of Buddy, there are certainly examples of him being a positive addition to their big songs but yes Lie in Our Graves I think is absolutely awful because of him. Everyday isn't in the same tier but I think it's awful because of him. I feel like there are other examples of big songs where I hate what he does but I haven't listened to Buddy era DMB in a couple months.


    ... I like Buddy overall but sometimes I think his decisions wreck things
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    Old 11-22-2020, 10:03 PM   #11329
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    The more I go back to recordings of 2016, the more I'm glad they got rid of Boyd and added Buddy. Performances are so tight right now, they were getting slopping with Boyd.
    I really donít miss the violin after hearing how tight everything sounds with Buddy. When I listen to a lot of the pre-2018 live material, the violin consistently sticks out as being a glaring weak link.
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    https://youtu.be/QOUB-iYQj1A

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    I really donít miss the violin after hearing how tight everything sounds with Buddy. When I listen to a lot of the pre-2018 live material, the violin consistently sticks out as being a glaring weak link.
    What I havenít been able to put in words. I feel the exact same way. Canít listen to pre-2018 unless it was a show Boyd was actually in tune on (not very many).

    Iíve listened to quite a few fan recorded shows and compared them to live releases and itís interesting how often they tweaked Boydís violin on the live official release so it wouldnít sound like crap. My guess is they were dubbing over it with a different recording where he played the note correctly etc.
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    https://youtu.be/QOUB-iYQj1A

    Dave and Toko Nakayma covering I Can See Clearly Now by Jimmy Cliff 1:21:00 mark

    Awesome thanks for posting, I've got this at 50:30 but either way that was enjoyable!
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    ... I like Buddy overall but sometimes I think his decisions wreck things
    Agreed. And sometimes he misses the ‘obvious’ in my opinion.

    For example, he plays an amazing ‘fill’ so to speak at 6:39 (4th measure counting from 6:31), and Carter and Tim expected that same ‘fill’ from Buddy at 6:54 (8 measures later) but he went silent.

    You can tell Carter and Tim expected Buddy to play it by the way they accent their notes. This bugs me more than it should but Buddy knows better!

    https://youtu.be/7PFW4OnMRn0

    Edit: listening to it again, it sounds like Stefan was expecting it too. So odd how Buddy didn’t play it.

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    This is cool.
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    PNP->Grey + great venue + Grossi and Malta as special guests

    That is definitely in my list of the shows ďhow of I wish theyíd make a LT of itĒ
    Unfotunately the transition between the two was incredibly botched. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqGGh5RYiC4
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    Unfotunately the transition between the two was incredibly botched. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqGGh5RYiC4

    It didnít really worked .... ouch!
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