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Old 08-20-2020, 01:29 PM   #3691
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Re: R.I.P. Leroi Moore.

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I feel Roi was the most responsible person with regards to the sound of the band. I think they sounded like they did in large part because of him. And you can just listen to albums pre and post. Then, the argument could be made "Thats just because Tim is part of the band, and you have a guitar now." Well, Tim played on quite a few albums (although I understand the difference in guesting on album and being part of band). But Tim was also part of the band in May and June of 2008. June was Arguably the greatest one month run in the bands history. Leroi knew how to create riffs within a song that you didn't hear unless you really listened very closely. I am still discovering masterpieces of Roi's work on studio albums, things I didn't hear before. It wasn't until about 8-10 years ago that I first actually heard Roi's riffs on Crush. It's absolutely beautiful.

So at the same time that he just sunk into the music and wasn't heard by the passerby listener, he made the song what it was. He made songs bigger, much Jazzier, and much more authentic to DMB. This is what separates Roi from most other sax players. He doesn't care about being heard. He cares about the song. He doesn't care about taking care of himself. He only cares about taking care of the music and making sure a song sounds as good as it possibly can. If you notice on the recent albums, the sax riffs more or less just go straight along with the melody or straight along with dave's already made up vocal melody. Roi was able to create his own melodies, he added his riffs on like layers of a cake. And of course, we all like more layers on a cake. Same with a song. The more layers, the better.
I think is beyond opinion and veering into fact zone.

Lillywhite has stated that he (Lillywhite) knew how to get the best out of Boyd, but he and others have said that Roi was who helped shaped Boyd parts, that he helped guide Boyd. Roi definitely created and shaped the horn/violin harmony and counterpoint parts. Dave has expressed clearly how much Roi inspired him and the sound of the band. His death also played a big part in why Boyd is no longer around.

Despite Roi's strong will that Dave and Lillywhite have expressed, Roi was part of the glue for the band. Even in his passing, Roi is part of why the guys still do this...as a tribute to their friend who the love and miss.

I don't need layers though...a single layer of great cake is all perfect. The core five with sprinklings of Tim were like that...magic. The nuance and dynamics are much different now and while I still love it, I miss Roi more than anything else.
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    Re: R.I.P. Leroi Moore.

    Well said grilldano
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    Old 08-21-2020, 01:54 PM   #3693
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    This is solid. Well said. I’ve never considered this, but it does make you wonder how Boyd’s playing might would have stayed more solid if Roi had been around. To be clear, not discussing Boyd’s personal life, just his playing. Obviously there have always been issues with Boyd’s playing, never been perfect. But you can hear the big drop off beginning just a few years following Roi’s death. Into the 2010’s.

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    <div style="font-style:italic">I feel Roi was the most responsible person with regards to the sound of the band. <b>I think they sounded like they did in large part because of him.</b> And you can just listen to albums pre and post. Then, the argument could be made "Thats just because Tim is part of the band, and you have a guitar now." Well, Tim played on quite a few albums (although I understand the difference in guesting on album and being part of band). But Tim was also part of the band in May and June of 2008. June was Arguably the greatest one month run in the bands history. Leroi knew how to create riffs within a song that you didn't hear unless you really listened very closely. I am still discovering masterpieces of Roi's work on studio albums, things I didn't hear before. It wasn't until about 8-10 years ago that I first actually heard Roi's riffs on Crush. It's absolutely beautiful.<br>
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    So at the same time that he just sunk into the music and wasn't heard by the passerby listener, he made the song what it was. He made songs bigger, much Jazzier, and much more authentic to DMB. This is what separates Roi from most other sax players. He doesn't care about being heard. He cares about the song. He doesn't care about taking care of himself. He only cares about taking care of the music and making sure a song sounds as good as it possibly can. If you notice on the recent albums, the sax riffs more or less just go straight along with the melody or straight along with dave's already made up vocal melody. Roi was able to create his own melodies, he added his riffs on like layers of a cake. And of course, we all like more layers on a cake. Same with a song. The more layers, the better.</div>
    </div>I think is beyond opinion and veering into fact zone.<br>
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    Lillywhite has stated that he (Lillywhite) knew how to get the best out of Boyd, but he and others have said that Roi was who helped shaped Boyd parts, that he helped guide Boyd. Roi definitely created and shaped the horn/violin harmony and counterpoint parts. Dave has expressed clearly how much Roi inspired him and the sound of the band. His death also played a big part in why Boyd is no longer around.<br>
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    Despite Roi's strong will that Dave and Lillywhite have expressed, Roi was part of the glue for the band. Even in his passing, Roi is part of why the guys still do this...as a tribute to their friend who the love and miss.<br>
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    I don't need layers though...a single layer of great cake is all perfect. The core five with sprinklings of Tim were like that...magic. The nuance and dynamics are much different now and while I still love it, I miss Roi more than anything else.
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    Old 08-21-2020, 04:35 PM   #3694
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    This is solid. Well said. I’ve never considered this, but it does make you wonder how Boyd’s playing might would have stayed more solid if Roi had been around. To be clear, not discussing Boyd’s personal life, just his playing. Obviously there have always been issues with Boyd’s playing, never been perfect. But you can hear the big drop off beginning just a few years following Roi’s death. Into the 2010’s.
    I have a notion that this was part of why they tried working with Lillywhite again. Boyd is almost completely absent from Big Wiskey and Steve really was good at making sure he was heard and well placed.

    I've wondered how much of Boyd not being more prominent on BW was due to Boyd's idiosyncracies and being depressed (and uninspired) due to Roi's death vs Cavallo not being sure how to integrate the violin into the sound of any band. This was clearly an issue w/ Ballard and Batson too. And it's not that didn't use Boyd, they just didn't feature him or have him playing with and off the horn like Lillywhite and Roi did...even when Roi and Boyd were both in the studio.
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    Old 08-28-2020, 09:53 PM   #3695
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    I have a notion that this was part of why they tried working with Lillywhite again. Boyd is almost completely absent from Big Wiskey and Steve really was good at making sure he was heard and well placed.

    I've wondered how much of Boyd not being more prominent on BW was due to Boyd's idiosyncracies and being depressed (and uninspired) due to Roi's death vs Cavallo not being sure how to integrate the violin into the sound of any band. This was clearly an issue w/ Ballard and Batson too. And it's not that didn't use Boyd, they just didn't feature him or have him playing with and off the horn like Lillywhite and Roi did...even when Roi and Boyd were both in the studio.
    I guess just think of the impact if it were the case that Roi was Boyd's anchor. That roi essentially was boyd's mentor. That most of what boyd did on an album and maintaining his place in the band, that it was mentored and negotiated by Roi whether through inspiration, motivation, a practical guide to what sounds good, or literally helping him create his riffs. If you are relying on Roi as your staying power in the band, and your success can be contributed to Roi alone (it was Roi who invited him to play on TB early on, maybe carter and roi), and all the sudden you don't have him. Think what that would do to you. We have all been in a place where we have gone to a party with a friend, and that friend was the only reason we went to the party. Because we didn't know anybody there etc. Think about gong to that same party without that friend. Now imagine that is your career.

    Now, to what extent that metaphor could be used, who knows. But if that was the case, it would have been really tough to be boyd tinsley in the later years. But, put your pride away. Reach out to the guys. Explain. Find somebody new to assist you, to help you out musically. Don't mope around on stage. Don't f up a song on purpose or constantly have an out of tuen violin. Those are all things you can control. You could have had 10 in-tune violins sitting next to you on stage. There is no reason you should have had an out of tune violin. For the same reason Dave never had an out of tuen guitar or a guitar with a broken string. I digress.
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    Old 09-09-2020, 10:06 PM   #3696
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    Re: R.I.P. Leroi Moore.

    Was gone all weekend long, but just threw on the '02 Gorge show from DMB Drive-In. Brought a smile to my face (and the face of everyone on stage in the moment) hearing Roi absolutely slay on that Lover Lay Down. Just fucking beautiful. Hope everyone had a pleasant holiday weekend.
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    Old 09-10-2020, 12:10 AM   #3697
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    Was gone all weekend long, but just threw on the '02 Gorge show from DMB Drive-In. Brought a smile to my face (and the face of everyone on stage in the moment) hearing Roi absolutely slay on that Lover Lay Down. Just fucking beautiful. Hope everyone had a pleasant holiday weekend.
    My wife I thought something similar...Roi on LLD is one of the best musical moments one could experience. Got lucky to see it live once...
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    Old 09-28-2020, 03:33 PM   #3698
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    I also love Roi on Grace is Gone jams.
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