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That's what's is crazy about today's NHL. 2004 the two 8-seeds had 91 points. Even the first year with shootouts it was 92 in the East and 95 out West.
Overall I think it is good for hockey that the level of play has been raised. I think the NHL playoffs have been fantastic too.

The Rangers have no one to blame but themselves. I may love my NY Rangers, but if they don't deserve to get in, than so be it. I would rather good teams get in than my Rangers sneaking in with a .500 or so record.
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    Re: The NHL Thread (Penns are garage league champs)

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    Overall I think it is good for hockey that the level of play has been raised. I think the NHL playoffs have been fantastic too.

    The Rangers have no one to blame but themselves. I may love my NY Rangers, but if they don't deserve to get in, than so be it. I would rather good teams get in than my Rangers sneaking in with a .500 or so record.
    Oh I agree, I think it's better for the NHL, although it made upsets a little more fun for me back in the day when there were big gaps between 1 and 8. But it is great and this is coming from a guy whose team benefited from no cap.
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    Looks like Wings are close to signing Athanasiou to a 1 year deal. Wings upped their 1 year offer from 1.25 to reportedly 1.5. It makes sense for him and the Wings. Sitting out wasn't getting him anywhere and Wings weren't gonna cave on the 2 year deal. A one year deal for a little more (but less of a cap hit than the 2 year deal) is good for the Wings and good for him to get paid and on the ice plus is eligible for arbitration. if he wanted an NHL career, sitting out the whole year made 0 sense on every level because he'd be exactly in the same spot next summer as this past summer. Does this make the Wings better? Sure but not much but I am glad we'll most likely see him soon.
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    His first year was 2011/2012
    Thanks, I was unsure. So he has spend about 5 years less than Toews in the NHL so the new faceoff rule is probably slightly easier for him to adjust to - SLIGHTLY being the keyword.
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    Old Today, 03:26 PM   #53465
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    Matty, happy to see you guys are still off to a good start, 8 points so far, only 3 off the WC lead - yeah I know it is early but still, making strides!
    Making a lot of strides, yes, but still a lot of work to be done. Two straight losses has me thinking back to last season (although there were moments of greatness in each).
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    Re: The NHL Thread (Penns are garage league champs)

    Discussion question for you guys:

    So, last night the Avs tied up the game against StL with about 3 minutes left. The Blues challenged the goal, saying that an Avs player had been offsides prior to the goal being scored. After review, the goal was overturned and the Avs ended up losing.

    Today, the NHL released a statement saying the officials actually messed up and that the goal was not reviewable (explanation below), obviously meaning the outcome of the game could have been significantly different.

    League's mea culpa: https://www.nhl.com/news/situation-r...?tid=280504338

    Yes, I have been on the side that has argued that a lot more goes into a game than one goal, but what, if anything, do you guys think the NHL should do in a situation like this? Give the losing team a consolation point? Replay the last 3 minutes of the game next time the Avs and Blues play? Shrug their shoulders, chalk it up to the human factor of sports, and say "sorry", a la Brett Hull's Cup winning goal? (most likely)

    I'm not furious or anything like that, just interested in your thoughts on what should happen when a review situation like this ends up playing a major consequence in who wins/loses the game.
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    Re: The NHL Thread (Penns are garage league champs)

    Matty,

    That is an interesting scenario but I don't think much can be done to "reward" the Avs. If they replay three minutes of the game there is no way to duplicate all factors that took place in the game the goal was taken away. If they give a point to them then that means that has to be the standard going forward and what determines a team getting a point due to a goal incorrectly being taken away? If a team loses 5-2 but had a goal mistakenly taken away, do they still get a point? If a team gets a goal taken away in the first period but loses by one do they still get a point taken away?

    Unfortunately I think it gets chalked up as human error and a tough case for the Avs.
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    Re: The NHL Thread (Penns are garage league champs)

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    Discussion question for you guys:

    So, last night the Avs tied up the game against StL with about 3 minutes left. The Blues challenged the goal, saying that an Avs player had been offsides prior to the goal being scored. After review, the goal was overturned and the Avs ended up losing.

    Today, the NHL released a statement saying the officials actually messed up and that the goal was not reviewable (explanation below), obviously meaning the outcome of the game could have been significantly different.

    League's mea culpa: https://www.nhl.com/news/situation-r...?tid=280504338

    Yes, I have been on the side that has argued that a lot more goes into a game than one goal, but what, if anything, do you guys think the NHL should do in a situation like this? Give the losing team a consolation point? Replay the last 3 minutes of the game next time the Avs and Blues play? Shrug their shoulders, chalk it up to the human factor of sports, and say "sorry", a la Brett Hull's Cup winning goal? (most likely)

    I'm not furious or anything like that, just interested in your thoughts on what should happen when a review situation like this ends up playing a major consequence in who wins/loses the game.
    I certainly don't think any of these are the solution. I think you need to just chalk it up as a lesson learned. When you overreact or overcorrect to outliers like last night, you usually just cause more problems than you solve.
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    Re: The NHL Thread (Penns are garage league champs)

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    Discussion question for you guys:

    So, last night the Avs tied up the game against StL with about 3 minutes left. The Blues challenged the goal, saying that an Avs player had been offsides prior to the goal being scored. After review, the goal was overturned and the Avs ended up losing.

    Today, the NHL released a statement saying the officials actually messed up and that the goal was not reviewable (explanation below), obviously meaning the outcome of the game could have been significantly different.

    League's mea culpa: https://www.nhl.com/news/situation-r...?tid=280504338

    Yes, I have been on the side that has argued that a lot more goes into a game than one goal, but what, if anything, do you guys think the NHL should do in a situation like this? Give the losing team a consolation point? Replay the last 3 minutes of the game next time the Avs and Blues play? Shrug their shoulders, chalk it up to the human factor of sports, and say "sorry", a la Brett Hull's Cup winning goal? (most likely)

    I'm not furious or anything like that, just interested in your thoughts on what should happen when a review situation like this ends up playing a major consequence in who wins/loses the game.

    There's nothing you can do other than using it as a learning experience to avoid this in this future.
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    Matty,

    That is an interesting scenario but I don't think much can be done to "reward" the Avs. If they replay three minutes of the game there is no way to duplicate all factors that took place in the game the goal was taken away. If they give a point to them then that means that has to be the standard going forward and what determines a team getting a point due to a goal incorrectly being taken away? If a team loses 5-2 but had a goal mistakenly taken away, do they still get a point? If a team gets a goal taken away in the first period but loses by one do they still get a point taken away?

    Unfortunately I think it gets chalked up as human error and a tough case for the Avs.
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    I certainly don't think any of these are the solution. I think you need to just chalk it up as a lesson learned. When you overreact or overcorrect to outliers like last night, you usually just cause more problems than you solve.
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    There's nothing you can do other than using it as a learning experience to avoid this in this future.
    This is my thinking as well. Could end up causing a lot of weird problems in the future.
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    I don't know how you could possibly justify anything else.
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    Re: The NHL Thread (Penns are garage league champs)

    I agree with the sentiments of those before. I think it needs to be calked up as a unfortunate circumstance and a learning point. I would be pissed if that was my team, and I think justifiably so.
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    Re: The NHL Thread (Penns are garage league champs)

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    Discussion question for you guys:

    So, last night the Avs tied up the game against StL with about 3 minutes left. The Blues challenged the goal, saying that an Avs player had been offsides prior to the goal being scored. After review, the goal was overturned and the Avs ended up losing.

    Today, the NHL released a statement saying the officials actually messed up and that the goal was not reviewable (explanation below), obviously meaning the outcome of the game could have been significantly different.

    League's mea culpa: https://www.nhl.com/news/situation-r...?tid=280504338

    Yes, I have been on the side that has argued that a lot more goes into a game than one goal, but what, if anything, do you guys think the NHL should do in a situation like this? Give the losing team a consolation point? Replay the last 3 minutes of the game next time the Avs and Blues play? Shrug their shoulders, chalk it up to the human factor of sports, and say "sorry", a la Brett Hull's Cup winning goal? (most likely)

    I'm not furious or anything like that, just interested in your thoughts on what should happen when a review situation like this ends up playing a major consequence in who wins/loses the game.
    Wow, that sucks man - I am sorry to hear that, I was not aware the NHL had commented. I thought it was a good goal and the officials botched the challenge last night - nice to see I am not the only one who believed the refs blew that one!

    As for what I think, I believe the Avs should get a point in the standing. St. Louis is damn good but with so little time left in t he game I believe it would likely have gone to OT where anything goes so giving them a point in the standings would be what I would advocate for.
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    Wow, that sucks man - I am sorry to hear that, I was not aware the NHL had commented. I thought it was a good goal and the officials botched the challenge last night - nice to see I am not the only one who believed the refs blew that one!

    As for what I think, I believe the Avs should get a point in the standing. St. Louis is damn good but with so little time left in t he game I believe it would likely have gone to OT where anything goes so giving them a point in the standings would be what I would advocate for.
    Yeah, if anything, maybe giving the Avs a point would be OK. But like others have said, that sets precedence for future blown calls. What blown call then "merits" a consolation point. Bleh. Like chumlee said, I'm probably only thinking about it because it was my team.

    The weird thing about the whole situation is that it WAS offsides. But because it was never called and the player/puck exited the zone before re-entering and scoring, it was not a REVIEWABLE play.
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    Yeah, if anything, maybe giving the Avs a point would be OK. But like others have said, that sets precedence for future blown calls. What blown call then "merits" a consolation point. Bleh. Like chumlee said, I'm probably only thinking about it because it was my team.

    The weird thing about the whole situation is that it WAS offsides. But because it was never called and the player/puck exited the zone before re-entering and scoring, it was not a REVIEWABLE play.
    Agreed, it does set a lousy precedent but I still think your Avs got screwed and deserve something more than a simple apology.
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    Friday night against the Pens and Florida’s arena is emptyyy
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    A lot of empty seats at LCA tonight. Ticket prices are stupid so I wonder how much of it is that.
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    So, I just got home from work, turn the tv to the game, and immediately jump into Carlson putting the puck over the glass. Then I see it’s a 2-2 game with 8 minutes in the 3rd. Cool. So then without fail, I watch Tomas Tatar, who is sitting on my fantasy bench, score the go ahead goal, only to then learn he also scored the tying goal.

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    Well hey now. That turned out pretty good.
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