Best 4.0 show?

[Titotimmy]

Agreed, imo the best 2021 shows kinda blow the best ‘18 and ‘19 shows out of the water.

Thinking I’m gonna add MSG N2 when I financially recover from this weekend a little bit.

[ToySoldier#34]

Originally Posted by crashintonickdm

Yep, it is refreshing

So much so that I grabbed tix to holmdel. Curious to see how it plays out. Dave usually treats that venue good

Awesome, hope you get a great show.

Everybody is different I guess but I never really feel biased about shows I've been to, Saturday was an amazing main set that fit my preferences to a tee but picking the second show at SPAC to improve your chances of getting something special shouldn't really be a thing. They should leave fans happy after shows throughout a tour regardless of venue, this year I think they have done so more consistently than any time since 2013. Unpopular opinion but I think my favorite show of 2021 is Gorge N1 for the commitment to the fans and musicianship it requires to pull that off at the last second.

[smb41]

I would probably take at least Tampa and WPB N2 over SPAC N2--possibly Deer Creek N2 too, although those two are about on par. Still think Tampa is best and most interesting of the tour.

[Hahninator]

Originally Posted by Titotimmy

Agreed, imo the best 2021 shows kinda blow the best ‘18 and ‘19 shows out of the water.

Thinking I’m gonna add MSG N2 when I financially recover from this weekend a little bit.

Agreed. I was middle of the pack in 2018... didn't love it, didn't hate it. It was alright. 2019 was really great once it got going (start was blah). 2021 blows both of those years away. Pretty happy that they get better each touring year with Buddy.

Originally Posted by smb41

I would probably take at least Tampa and WPB N2 over SPAC N2--possibly Deer Creek N2 too, although those two are about on par. Still think Tampa is best and most interesting of the tour.

Agreed. Was at all of those except SPAC. Saw Tampa, WPB N2, DC N2... all three were incredible shows. Tampa was really something. Might be the best show of the tour. WPB N2 is probably my favorite set I've seen in person.

[Cardinal]

Alpharetta 21 for me.

[Alpine416]

Can't even judge this yet. Obvious recency bias from SPAC attendees going on here. Lets revisit at end of tour.

[YankeesDMB41]

SPAC N2 was the best show I've seen since 7/4/15, and if they came back out after SMLAM and played a classic to end the show, it would have probably been the best show I've ever seen. double digit shows at SPAC and I've never heard a crowd so loud.....and in terms of the flow of the show, they were on absolute fire for the better part of 2 and a half straight hours. It was better than both MSG shows in 2018, which were both very solid. With all that being said, SMLAM was absolutely a base hit in the bottom of the ninth of a perfect game as someone so greatly described it. I have never seen Time of Season or OATB, so I very much enjoyed them. Watchtower is also my favorite closer.

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This is a run that I would personally put in a dream setlist and then to add DIDO, Rapnuzel, Watchtower, Granny, Christmas Song, and Warehouse with the first stop time intro I've ever seen? That's a main set that stacks up with any show I've ever seen on paper.

[dontdrink36]

Originally Posted by OneSweetMonkey

Yes way. Was the band not a band before Remember Two Things was recorded? Was Peter not in the band from 1991 - 1993? Did he not play hundreds of shows with them?

It makes no sense that someone would consider Remember Two Things as the beginning of this band.

If Peter gets an era then it has to end and be 2.0 when Boyd officially joined. So by the logic of unique lineup changes we are at 8.0.

Peter
Boyd
Butch
Ladies
No Ladies
RR
Jeff
Buddy

[Titotimmy]

Originally Posted by YankeesDMB41

This is a run that I would personally put in a dream setlist and then to add DIDO, Rapnuzel, Watchtower, Granny, Christmas Song, and Warehouse with the first stop time intro I've ever seen? That's a main set that stacks up with any show I've ever seen on paper.

Stop time intro plus a full on Louie-Louie interpolation in that crowd was the most fun Warehouse I’ve ever been a part of.

Definitely a fair amount of recency bias going on here but purely on paper it’s definitely in the conversation. I like Tampa the more I look at it too; I think MSG will bring some heat this year.

[YankeesDMB41]

MSG, I would think, will have 3-4 guests. I hope they come out firing just like SPAC.

[crashintonickdm]

Originally Posted by ToySoldier#34

Awesome, hope you get a great show.

Everybody is different I guess but I never really feel biased about shows I've been to, Saturday was an amazing main set that fit my preferences to a tee but picking the second show at SPAC to improve your chances of getting something special shouldn't really be a thing. They should leave fans happy after shows throughout a tour regardless of venue, this year I think they have done so more consistently than any time since 2013. Unpopular opinion but I think my favorite show of 2021 is Gorge N1 for the commitment to the fans and musicianship it requires to pull that off at the last second.

We’re all guilty of it. When the shows are more consistent tho such as this start to the tour then the discussion is more detailed.

For me, so far it’s been vastly better than 18/19. To me those were rock bottom years.

[btpeters]

My personal favorite show I’ve seen with this lineup is probably Columbus 2018. I loved being hit with awesome surprises all night. A real unique bunch of songs you either don’t see much, let alone together in a set.

I wasn’t there, but that 2020 Vegas show feels like it’s from that same mold.

People talk down on 2019. Tour got off to a bad start but there are more than a few really good sets that summer.

[HonestDenver1]

Gorge N2 2018, Denver N2 2019, LT 46, Vegas 2020, SPAC N2 2021

[HonestDenver1]

Originally Posted by YankeesDMB41

MSG, I would think, will have 3-4 guests. I hope they come out firing just like SPAC.

Krasno, warren Haynes, 2 random horn players,

[HonestDenver1]

Originally Posted by Titotimmy

Stop time intro plus a full on Louie-Louie interpolation in that crowd was the most fun Warehouse I’ve ever been a part of.

Definitely a fair amount of recency bias going on here but purely on paper it’s definitely in the conversation. I like Tampa the more I look at it too; I think MSG will bring some heat this year.

MSG never has the best shows .. they always have solid shoes but never get best.. sets are always middle of the road but high energy

[karczews41]

Originally Posted by OneSweetMonkey

From Peter's page...

"Peter is considered a member of the band on all full-band shows from 8.21.91 to 3.13.93."

Looked for that on Warren's page. Wasn't there.

Also, there's a huge difference between 1179 song appearances (Peter. Because he was a member of the band for almost 2 years) and 87 song appearances (Warren... who was never a member of the band).

So, no. I don't consider Warren a band member. Because he was not a band member, like Peter was.

So now we’re talking about song performances, not shows?

If I was a musician and I left one of the biggest and successful touring bands of the decade in which I departed, and I continued in that same profession, I’d certainly claim to be a member as well.

Where the goal posts moving to next?

[OneSweetMonkey]

Originally Posted by dontdrink36

If Peter gets an era then it has to end and be 2.0 when Boyd officially joined. So by the logic of unique lineup changes we are at 8.0.

Peter
Boyd
Butch
Ladies
No Ladies
RR
Jeff
Buddy

DMB without Boyd was too short to be a full on “Era”. That DMB .5. But, for the sake of argument I’ll agree. Boydless DMB was an iteration of the Band at one point.

And the Lovely Ladies were never band members. They were frequent guests during random parts of a couple tours for a few songs.


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[karczews41]

Originally Posted by OneSweetMonkey

From Peter's page...

"Peter is considered a member of the band on all full-band shows from 8.21.91 to 3.13.93."

Looked for that on Warren's page. Wasn't there.

Also, there's a huge difference between 1179 song appearances (Peter. Because he was a member of the band for almost 2 years) and 87 song appearances (Warren... who was never a member of the band).

So, no. I don't consider Warren a band member. Because he was not a band member, like Peter was.

So now we’re talking about song performances, not shows?

If I was a musician and I left one of the biggest and successful touring bands of the decade in which I departed, and I continued in that same profession, I’d certainly claim to be a member as well.

Where the goal posts moving to next?

[Xcacel]

Originally Posted by HonestDenver1

Krasno, warren Haynes, 2 random horn players,

My bet for MSG is the orchestra

[tannersarver]

i think burgettstown ‘21 should get a little respect

[dreeser13]

Haven't been on the forum in years can't lie, but came back on when I was going to my first Gorge show this year (N2). Loved that show and it will be special to me because it was my first time at the Gorge, but I had to go to SPAC N2 to see Carter and Stefan back. I knew in my gut it was going to be a show to remember, but holy shit. Definitely top 3 shows for me, only one I for sure put above it is Camden 2013 N2... Will say the crowd at N2 at SPAC was the loudest and most energetic crowd I have been apart of. Grey St 3rd verse crowd reaction was great, probably the best Warehouse for me, DIDO & Stone.. if they took out OATB for another song and avoided Shake me it would be #1 undoubtedly for me.. my jaw was on the ground (in a bad way) when shake me intro hit lol. But quickly recovered and realized how lucky I was to see this show. Going to Holmdel tomorrow for show #25. Band is the best they have been in years for sure.

[OneSweetMonkey]

Originally Posted by karczews41

So now we’re talking about song performances, not shows?

If I was a musician and I left one of the biggest and successful touring bands of the decade in which I departed, and I continued in that same profession, I’d certainly claim to be a member as well.

Where the goal posts moving to next?

We can talk about performances AND shows, if you want. He was a member from 1991 - 1993. He played every show with the band during that tenure. As well as every song during those shows.

I'm honestly not sure where you're going with this. Peter "claims" to have been a member of the band because he was, in fact, a member of the band. Do you disagree with him having been a member of Dave Matthews Band? Is that what you're basing your entire argument on? That Peter wasn't actually a member?

[ToySoldier#34]

Warren Haynes: Never a member of DMB
Peter Griesar: Was a member of DMB

Not seeing what is complicated here

[dontdrink36]

Originally Posted by OneSweetMonkey

DMB without Boyd was too short to be a full on “Era”. That DMB .5. But, for the sake of argument I’ll agree. Boydless DMB was an iteration of the Band at one point.

And the Lovely Ladies were never band members. They were frequent guests during random parts of a couple tours for a few songs.



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I dont see how we can exclude the ladies if we include Peter and Pre Boyd as eras. I think its cleaner and far more accurate to say current dmb is 4.0 and only count the major shifts in lineup as an era.

[OneSweetMonkey]

Originally Posted by ToySoldier#34

Warren Haynes: Never a member of DMB
Peter Griesar: Was a member of DMB

Not seeing what is complicated here

I didn't realize that anyone thought this was ever even a debate.

[OneSweetMonkey]

Originally Posted by dontdrink36

I dont see how we can exclude the ladies if we include Peter and Pre Boyd as eras. I think its cleaner and far more accurate to say current dmb is 4.0 and only count the major shifts in lineup as an era.

Because Peter was actually a band member.

The Lovely Ladies were never band members. They were frequent guests during random parts of a couple tours for a few songs.

And it's 5.0. At least.

[dontdrink36]

If we count Peter we have count no boyd. So we are at 6.0

[Alpine416]

The funny part of this thread is everyone debating if the Peter era was a phase of the band but that still doesn't change the fact what we are trying to decide is the best show of the current era (which seems pretty accepted as the start of Buddy/Boyd leaving ~2018). Whether you call it 4.0 or 5.0 doesn't matter.

[Titotimmy]

Originally Posted by Alpine416

The funny part of this thread is everyone debating if the Peter era was a phase of the band but that still doesn't change the fact what we are trying to decide is the best show of the current era (which seems pretty accepted as the start of Buddy/Boyd leaving ~2018). Whether you call it 4.0 or 5.0 doesn't matter.

This, *insert who the hell cares gif*

[dontdrink36]

Alpharetta 21 is the best show I've seen in the Buddy eamra. Whether its the best one overall idk