The Harry Potter thread.

[Gregb486]

i just liked this one more for some reason, and someone who read the book started to explain how there is so much more to what they are trying to portray in the movie.

[tankdan]

Is anyone interested in discussing with me the end of Book 6? Or any part of it, really...

I recently realized that, of all the things to chat about, Harry Potter is an endless fountain of gossip and interpretation.

Dan

[yoda462]

Snape Is Innocent!

[thegreatr1]

i am more than willing to discuss. i have some interesting theories that we could talk about for hours.

[tankdan]

Well, I'll start. Snape is the next worst thing to Voldemort. Dumbledore will come back as a phoenix. Harry will die. Ron and Hermione will get together (MUCH to my chagrin. I think it should be Harry to get with Hermione. Ron is too dumb for her.)

Your move.

Dan

[thegreatr1]

Harry is a horcrux...how bout those apples?

[magentaflash]

You're both completely wrong. *sigh* Novices.

[SymphonyOfDeath]

Originally Posted by yoda462

Snape Is Innocent!

I'm don't think he's innocent, if Dumbledore is dead so he can't really be innocent. I think he is on the good side and will come back and help Harry in the last book.

Book, Ring, Locket, Snake, Something of Ravenclaw's. What's the other Horcrux I'm missing?

[yoda462]

Originally Posted by SymphonyOfDeath

I'm don't think he's innocent, if Dumbledore is dead so he can't really be innocent. I think he is on the good side and will come back and help Harry in the last book.

But if Snape had an unbreakable promise with Dumbledore to protect Draco and His (Snape's) own cover, inorder to keep voldemort from becoming suspicious, then Snape is Innocent!

A long shot? Yes, but still more probable IMO then the Harry/Horcrux theory.

[thegreatr1]

i'm not convinced that even snape knows what side he is really on. he very well could be playing the double agent thing out until the very end, when a winner is clear, and then jump onto that ship for good. however, in the end, i could definately see him sacrificing himself to save harry in the attempt to finally defeat voldemort.

as far as the horcrux's, i think the missing horcrux is actually the scar residing on harry's forehead...it will create an ultimate battle of good vs evil ass inside of himself. question is, will harry have to off himself in the end (or will someone else realize this and be forced to off him), or will there be a way to extract the horcrux from harry, giving voldemort life yet again?

for the record, i have read and read the books (certain passages multiple times) and have what i feel to be sufficient evidence to back up all of my claims (and others that i could/will discuss later), but it is much too much to type, especially if people really do not care. this is not to say that i am definately correct, but past events and stateents have lead me to believe all of this to be true.

[tankdan]

Wow, I'm really hazy on the whole horcrux thing... must be because I read the book in one day and haven't reread it since then...

Might be time to go do it all again!

Dan

[magentaflash]

Harry is not a horcrux. I takes a specific spell to make something a horcrux--complicated at that. Avada Kedavra is not that spell. AND if Voldemort was intending to kill Harry, why would he want to make a dead baby a horcrux? This theory would also mean that Harry would die, and I don't think she would end the series that way.

[StinkyPinky]

Bought the Harry Potter 'Scene It' this weekend. Fun stuff!!

[helena01ollie03]

Snape will untimately help Harry, I think.

In the end of HBP, when he and Harry are having their "showdown" near Hagrid's hut, he tells Harry to learn to use silent spells. In essence that he will never succeed until he can accomplish that. He gave Harry a major clue to defeating Voldemort.

Harry keeps reapeating, "the locket...the cup...the snake...something of Gryffindor's or Ravenclaw's" in HBP. We know about the diary and the ring. Voldemort split his soul into 7 parts. So, Harry need to find those four and Voldemort himself to successfully kill him.

[StinkyPinky]

Originally Posted by tankdan

Wow, I'm really hazy on the whole horcrux thing... must be because I read the book in one day and haven't reread it since then...

Might be time to go do it all again!

Dan

This is what i am thinking. I can read them, over and over.

[thegreatr1]

Originally Posted by magentaflash

Harry is not a horcrux. I takes a specific spell to make something a horcrux--complicated at that. Avada Kedavra is not that spell. AND if Voldemort was intending to kill Harry, why would he want to make a dead baby a horcrux? This theory would also mean that Harry would die, and I don't think she would end the series that way.

i agree with part of what you're saying. indeed, a special spell is required to make a horcrux. however, i feel that voldemort indeed intended on using harry's death as a horcrux death, and planned on making something of griffindor's into a horcrux at that time (it's just so convienant with lily and james both being gryffindors, living in GODRIC'S HOLLOW, and so on). however, when the spell backfired and voldemort died, obviously, he could not complete the spell, placing that piece of his soul into something of his choosing. instead, that piece could very well be living now inside of harry, in the form of the scar.

as far as harry dying...i don't necessarily think harry needs to die. he merely must become separated from voldemort's horcrux (neither can live while the other survives).

on a separate note, a part of me feels that the prophecy is merely a metaphor, and harry may not even "kill" voldemort in the end

[magentaflash]

Originally Posted by thegreatr1

i agree with part of what you're saying. indeed, a special spell is required to make a horcrux. however, i feel that voldemort indeed intended on using harry's death as a horcrux death, and planned on making something of griffindor's into a horcrux at that time (it's just so convienant with lily and james both being gryffindors, living in GODRIC'S HOLLOW, and so on). however, when the spell backfired and voldemort died, obviously, he could not complete the spell, placing that piece of his soul into something of his choosing. instead, that piece could very well be living now inside of harry, in the form of the scar.

Interesting. I have never thought of it like that. I just think that because everyone THINKS harry is a horcrux, it just can't be. She's been impossible to predict up until now, I don't think she'd make it that obvious.

[Tomriddle]

I think Harry might be Lily's Horcrux, but not Voldemorts. The unknown Horcrus is the DADA post.

[magentaflash]

Originally Posted by Tomriddle

I think Harry might be Lily's Horcrux, but not Voldemorts. The unknown Horcrus is the DADA post.

How can an inatimate (sp?) object be a horcrux? Not shooting down your theory, just wondering...

I was under the impression that the horcruxes are: diary, ring, locket, cup, nagini, voldie himself, and something of gryffindor's.

edit: On second thought, I am shooting down your theory, because Lily would never create a horcrux. They're considered the darkest form of magic.

[tdowe99]

Do you think the sword is Gryffindor's horcrux?

[Tomriddle]

Originally Posted by magentaflash

How can an inatimate (sp?) object be a horcrux?

Uh....inanimate means "not alive." And we know animate objects can be Horcruxs because of Nagini.

[magentaflash]

Originally Posted by Tomriddle

Uh....inanimate means "not alive." And we know animate objects can be Horcruxs because of Nagini.

I know what inanimate means. I meant, how can the post of DADA teacher be a horcrux, when it's not a physical thing? Inanimate was a poor word choice.

[Tomriddle]

Originally Posted by magentaflash

I meant, how can the post of DADA teacher be a horcrux, when it's not a physical thing?

The word you're looking for is tangible. Anyhow, I think the Horcrux host object doesn't need to be tangible.

[magentaflash]

I don't think it can be intangible. There would be no way to destroy it or to reclaim the piece of his soul.

[helena01ollie03]

Originally Posted by tdowe99

Do you think the sword is Gryffindor's horcrux?

I considered that but no. Voldemort wouldn't have been able to do it. He was never left alone with the sword. The only object from or around Hogwart's was the diary. Though it could be something in Hogsmead. A village that close to the school might hold interest for him.

[magentaflash]

Originally Posted by helena01ollie03

I considered that but no. Voldemort wouldn't have been able to do it. He was never left alone with the sword. The only object from or around Hogwart's was the diary. Though it could be something in Hogsmead. A village that close to the school might hold interest for him.

Also, I feel like Dumbledore would have been able to "feel" such a strong enchantment, since it seems he can feel other magic around him.

[GravityIsAHabit]

It could still be the DADA post. Just because you can't feasibly hold the 'post' in your hand like other horcruxes, it doesn't it make it impossible. For some reason, I think Snape has a way bigger part in this. Like somehow he is a missing part for something. I haven't been able to keep up with my reading this year so I'm a bit fuzzy on some parts. I usually re-read them a couple of times of year but this year has been crazy. The ending definitly meant something significant. I also think Hagrid has a bigger part. Anyone remember the big speculation around the movie when Robbie Coltrane and J.K. Rowling had a conversation because something big was going to happen to Hagrid? I think he has a bigger part...

[helena01ollie03]

Yep. Dumbledore would have known. He showed Harry the memory of Voldemort asking for the job of DADA teacher for a reason. I think Dumbledore's pensieve will be extremely helpful to Harry, if he can get his hands on it.

[thegreatr1]

Originally Posted by magentaflash

Interesting. I have never thought of it like that. I just think that because everyone THINKS harry is a horcrux, it just can't be. She's been impossible to predict up until now, I don't think she'd make it that obvious.

see, i think that's just it...this is NOT a thing that everyone can plainly see. rather, it is something she has been building up to during the entire series. all along, ive said im willing to bet that some part of voldemort got transferred to harry, and im not just talking powers. i felt it resided in the scar, whatever it was. as soon as the horcrux storyline came to light, i was convinced that the scar is indeed a horcrux.

as far as the DADA post being a horcrux, i don't feel it's possible because the piece of the soul must be "placed in something". as someone made mention to, a job is intangible, thus, cannot be a horcrux. the job is merely cursed.

i do agree that hagrid is going to play a huge role, as is snape and dumbledore's pensive. harry, ron, and hermoine are going to need to know where dumbledore has been and what he has seen if they can hope to solve the puzzle and prevail in the end

[magentaflash]

What's everyone's opinion on Draco? Is he completely evil? Anything redeeming about him? Purely a coward? We talked about it in my adolescent lit class today and I'm interested to see what everyone else thinks.