NFL 2022-2023 season

[CrushB610]

Originally Posted by smokew11

too much KC talk

amazing that Howie Roseman was voted Executive of the Year. Most non-Eagles fans don't know but the guy has been on a wild ride. He's a rarity in a GM in that he's on his 4th coach. He was one of the owners favorites, but got completely exiled by Chip Kelly. Comes back and rebuilds a roster that Kelly ruined, takes them to the SB. Goes all in with a ton of realllllyyy bad moves, misses on almost every draft pick for the next 3 years, team falters, Carson Wentz debacle, everyone wants him fired. Has a couple amazing drafts, rebuilds team, everyone loves him again


Still can't believe some of the the moves this guy has made....getting a 1st and 3rd for Wentz, swindling the Saints to get their #1 this year, the surprise AJ Brown move on draft night

I used to pile on Howie quite a bit mostly because of the draft fails, it was easy to do so... and even as recent as a year or 2 ago because really, the Eagles were without a lot of young talent on both sides of the ball. Even the Sirianni hire looked more than a little questionable.

But after this offseason it's hard to really find an issue with what he's done. The FA acquisitions he's made and the trade with the Saints, totally changed the team. He did an amazing job and I have to give the guy credit.

[BTBaboon]

Originally Posted by smokew11

Dak is very good, but not good enough to win without great coaching and players. Right now I'd go

1. Mahomes
2. Burrow
3. Allen
4. Hurts
5. Rodgers
6. Herbert
7. Dak
8. Lamar
9. TB12
10. T-Law

Aaron Rodger was in no way a top 5 QB this year. Like, not close at all. He was 15th in QB rating, 15th in TD%, 20th in Comp%. 25th(!!) in Yards/Attempt.

[smokew11]

Originally Posted by TheLastStop123

howie is a master at the rebuild, but hasn’t really been able to achieve sustained success. this time seems like the best shot, although we all thought so in 2017 too. I love him though. and I still can’t believe any GM still trades with him

Yeah this is the take but I’m wondering if it’s actually true. To be fair I thought this too. But I guess what do you do when you trade a bunch of picks, get the QB of the future, build around him, and then he falls apart maybe more so than any successful qb in recent memory. If Hurts doesn’t implode maybe he can sustain success

[smokew11]

Originally Posted by BTBaboon

Aaron Rodger was in no way a top 5 QB this year. Like, not close at all. He was 15th in QB rating, 15th in TD%, 20th in Comp%. 25th(!!) in Yards/Attempt.

Good points. I think I’m giving credit to his intangibles and the fact that the packers have spent years not helping him at all. Put him on any of the other top teams on this list and I think he’s still elite.

Yes I know everyone needs weapons to be good but it’s almost like the packers do it on purpose

[ToySoldier#34]

Regularly in contention for MVP throughout his career with such horrible options around him like Davante Adams

[Ascf33]

Originally Posted by smokew11

Dak is very good, but not good enough to win without great coaching and players. Right now I'd go

1. Mahomes
2. Burrow
3. Allen
4. Hurts
5. Rodgers
6. Herbert
7. Dak
8. Lamar
9. TB12
10. T-Law

Frankly, Daniel Jones should be on this list. Over Dak. He had better stats with absolute shit for receivers.

[thebridge15]

can't put lamar on there so long as the best ability is still availability

[Timebomb07]

Rodgers has had weapons, including the best WR in football for multiple years. Offense was never really the issue, but people love to point the lack of 1st round WR picks. Wouldn't have made much of a difference considering it was the defense and ST that consistently let the team down each post season.

Rodgers is a top 5 QB going into 2023, whether still in GB or with a "better" team. There's no question.

[DMBstandUP1984]

Rodgers is still top 5

I rather have Rodgers > Brady in 2023

[TheLastStop123]

this has turned into a fun rivalry, eh?

Kansas City Chiefs DT Chris Jones finished off his presser saying, “Take care see y’all at Burrowhead Stadium.”

https://twitter.com/pranavsriraman/s...1h6hRnplMgCbTQ

[BTBaboon]

I think y'all are allowing Rodgers' legacy to influence these takes. He looked awful at times this season, his play style is catching up to him as father time wins the battle, and at times looked completely uniterested and unable to elevate anyone on his team.

That's not a top 5 QB right now or forward looking. He'll be 40 in December and the cracks are already showing.

I'd take age 46 season Tom Brady over age 40 season Aaron Rodgers next year.

[BTBaboon]

Originally Posted by TheLastStop123

this has turned into a fun rivalry, eh?

Kansas City Chiefs DT Chris Jones finished off his presser saying, “Take care see y’all at Burrowhead Stadium.”

https://twitter.com/pranavsriraman/s...1h6hRnplMgCbTQ

It's the new Pats vs Colts (sorry Buffalo)

[TheLastStop123]

it's not really a surprise Rodgers' lost a top 3 receiver in the game and looked the way he did.

[seekupig]

Originally Posted by TheLastStop123

it's not really a surprise Rodgers' lost a top 3 receiver in the game and looked the way he did.

He also doesn't do any work with his new guys in the offseason to get the chemistry going. That's his choice obviously, but he really doesn't seem interested in football these days. Those game checks are hard to walk away from though.

[snow1868]

Originally Posted by BTBaboon

It's the new Pats vs Colts (sorry Buffalo)

I wanted Buffalo-KC to be the new Pats-Colts, but I'm fine with you guys. Your team is mostly likeable except for Joe Mixon.

[Timebomb07]

Originally Posted by BTBaboon

I think y'all are allowing Rodgers' legacy to influence these takes. He looked awful at times this season, his play style is catching up to him as father time wins the battle, and at times looked completely uniterested and unable to elevate anyone on his team.

That's not a top 5 QB right now or forward looking. He'll be 40 in December and the cracks are already showing.

I'd take age 46 season Tom Brady over age 40 season Aaron Rodgers next year.

Yes, 100%. For argument's sake, I think you're allowing recency bias to influence your take.

We can just leave it as "agree to disagree" though. Nothing further to be said, really.

edit: assuming by legacy you mean past production.

[TheLastStop123]

the guy literally won MVP in 2020 and 2021 lol

[BTBaboon]

Originally Posted by TheLastStop123

the guy literally won MVP in 2020 and 2021 lol

And fell off a cliff this year. He looked bad. He looked old. It was more than just losing Adams.

[BTBaboon]

I’m just saying there’s no way you can say he was a top 5 QB this year and there’s no reason to expect any better next year. He’s not getting younger, the team he’s on isn’t getting suddenly extremely talented around him, and any of the places he could land outside of Green Bay are in similar situations or in a rebuild.

[TwoStep2888]

I was an ardent Rodgers supporter for years but the guy is washed now, no question, I hope the team trades him and starts a rebuild

[bigeyedpigs]

Originally Posted by snow1868

I wanted Buffalo-KC to be the new Pats-Colts, but I'm fine with you guys. Your team is mostly likeable except for Joe Mixon.

I feel the same way about Cincy, mixon is just a pos. I wouldn't even take him on a fantasy roster I refuse to root for him

[ToySoldier#34]

I still think Rodgers could have a great season by his standards if he had enough help around him

[smokew11]

Originally Posted by Ascf33

Frankly, Daniel Jones should be on this list. Over Dak. He had better stats with absolute shit for receivers.

Daniel Jones...15 TDs. Give me a break. The guy was mediocre at best. Dak didnt have a great year but I'd take him over Jones

[TypicalBilly14]

Originally Posted by Ascf33

Frankly, Daniel Jones should be on this list. Over Dak. He had better stats with absolute shit for receivers.

Geno Smith had 30 TDs with one elite WR.

[seekupig]

Kelce is now listed as questionable with a back issue. Didn't come out for his press conference either.

[TypicalBilly14]

Originally Posted by seekupig

Kelce is now listed as questionable with a back issue. Didn't come out for his press conference either.

Philly Kelce or KC Kelce?

[seekupig]

Originally Posted by TypicalBilly14

Philly Kelce or KC Kelce?

KC Kelce.

[bigeyedpigs]

Originally Posted by TypicalBilly14

Geno Smith had 30 TDs with one elite WR.

Metcalf and Lockett are basically both number one receivers. Lockett would be the the lead receiver on most teams. No one on the giants comes close to either.

[TypicalBilly14]

Originally Posted by bigeyedpigs

Metcalf and Lockett are basically both number one receivers. Lockett would be the the lead receiver on most teams. No one on the giants comes close to either.

Jared Goff had 29 TDs with what receivers? St. Brown?

[CrushB610]

Originally Posted by Ascf33

Frankly, Daniel Jones should be on this list. Over Dak. He had better stats with absolute shit for receivers.

You Giants fans just don't get it... Daniel Jones