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Old 09-07-2022, 11:35 PM   #1
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Gorge Rapunzel [?]

What happened here?

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  • Old 09-07-2022, 11:57 PM   #2
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    Re: Gorge Rapunzel [?]

    Hahaha obviously not ideal but our crew thought the "save it" outro jam was kinda cool and we just took the f-it, let's ride mentality
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    Old 09-07-2022, 11:58 PM   #3
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    Re: Gorge Rapunzel [?]

    Sounds like Carter tried going into another "I think the world of you" section and then the band tried for nearly 4 minutes to get back on track
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    Old 09-08-2022, 03:02 AM   #4
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    Wow- it sounds like they went into some kind of (really messy) 3/4 or 6/8 kind of thing instead of the usual 4/4 payoff jam section. It sounds like shit. Maybe Carter was spacing out and went back into the "I think the word of you" section which is in 6/8-- everyone is confused - then they land on this groove that keeps this timing instead of ever finding their way to the normal 4/4 outro.

    On initial viewing, I thought it seemed too constantly bad to be a mess up- but I think it has to be. At first I thought is this Rawshawn trying to be a hero and encouraging a switch up of this section? (going for a subverting of expectations like the old Too Much slowdown, or the off key satellite intro, etc). If so, that'd be a terrible idea for Rapunzel- the whole song has different time sigs already (5/4, 4/4, and 6/8) and is a build up to this resolution jam section at the end. At first I thought Dave seemed to know it was coming (?) based on his vocal adlibs there, but re-watching I think he's confused too and expects that Carter will catch it and bring it back to the normal jam. The absolute whiffs on the notes / timing on the very ending of the song seal it that this was a true "trainwreck" version of this song. I seem to remember that Rapunzel has had a few trainwreck versions over the years.
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    Old 09-08-2022, 08:22 AM   #5
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    Re: Gorge Rapunzel [?]

    I thought that was cool but it was definitely a trainwreck...nowhere near the likes of the great Rapunzel incident of '98 though
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    Old 09-08-2022, 09:11 AM   #6
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    The weirdest part to me is that Jeff and Rashawn keep playing like it's the normal Rapunzel outro. Carter, Dave, and Stefan get into a cool little groove, but Jeff and Rashawn just kind of...ignore it until the end, when they finally get in with the rest of the band.
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    Old 09-08-2022, 09:38 AM   #7
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    I seem to notice more Carter flubs recently, timing seems to be off on some transition fills, I'm not a drummer so I'll stop now.
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    Old 09-08-2022, 09:44 AM   #8
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    Man that's bad.
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    Old 09-08-2022, 09:53 AM   #9
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    Re: Gorge Rapunzel [?]

    I dunno man, this is the best Boyd has sounded in years.
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    Old 09-08-2022, 11:02 AM   #10
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    I wonder if this will prevent a live trax of this concert?
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    Old 09-08-2022, 11:21 AM   #11
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    Everybody tried at some point to save it, but nobody else knew what particular way they were trying, so it never landed. That was brutal. And Rashawn and Coffin still managed to play "who can blare the loudest" even in the chaos.
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    Old 09-08-2022, 11:25 AM   #12
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    Yeah, the 1998 one at least eventually finds its footing and ends normally. This one isn't quite as much of a mess, but man, they just never could get on the same page, and after 4 minutes of trying they just said screw it and stopped

    One really random thing I noticed is that Jeff throws the All Things Considered lick in at the end of this one, and the only other time that song's been interpolated into Rapunzel was the 1998 trainwreck one. How in the world could that coincidence have happened.
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    Old 09-08-2022, 02:42 PM   #13
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    Re: Gorge Rapunzel [?]

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    I wonder if this will prevent a live trax of this concert?
    Absolutely wont stop anything
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    Old 09-08-2022, 02:46 PM   #14
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    Re: Gorge Rapunzel [?]

    I haven't listened to it since, but at the show I thought it sounded awesome. I wasn't exactly sober, per say, which probably influenced my opinion. I didn't know it was a 'train wreck' until I got back home Tuesday.
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    Old 09-08-2022, 02:52 PM   #15
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    [...] I thought it sounded awesome. I wasn't exactly sober, per say [...]
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    Old 09-08-2022, 06:37 PM   #16
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    Re: Gorge Rapunzel [?]

    Carter made a mistake.

    The attempt to recover was an absolute disaster.

    This is not a true jam band. They play within a structure and they collapsed when the structure fell apart.

    It was a bummer miss on one of their best songs.
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    Old 09-08-2022, 06:41 PM   #17
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    Re: Gorge Rapunzel [?]

    Rapunzel has a lot going on, very easy for it to go off the rails. There's lots of other examples too, although not as bad.
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    Old 09-08-2022, 07:00 PM   #18
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    Re: Gorge Rapunzel [?]

    I remember Va Beach 2010 having a near trainwreck Rapunzel but not quite as bad as they were able to get on the same page eventually before the outro.
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    Old 09-08-2022, 07:18 PM   #19
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    My top 3 answers: Carter got his CBD gummies mixed with Tim's THC ones. B.) Nothing happened it went perfectly and as planned. The plane was landed with no injuries. Or C.) Carter was a tad early on the final accents. I am a drummer that likes to fool with odd times, and I can tell you that I was getting lost in the linear shit Carter was throwing down. The band was also playing around the beat, it was pretty spectacular to see it from pit, if they would have stuck the ending it would been one of those F Yeah moments.
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    Old 09-08-2022, 08:40 PM   #20
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    Re: Gorge Rapunzel [?]

    Was in the pit and we loved the outro…to each his own.
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    Old 09-08-2022, 09:24 PM   #21
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    Re: Gorge Rapunzel [?]

    Was in reserved and did not love the outro...to each his own.
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    Old 09-08-2022, 09:51 PM   #22
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    Was in reserved and did not love the outro...to each his own.
    Great minds think alike but only one of us had a good time during the song. Glad it was me…and my group. Maybe get a little closer next time.
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    Old 09-08-2022, 11:17 PM   #23
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    Re: Gorge Rapunzel [?]

    Was in lowers and going back to my comment above, thought it was kinda cool.
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    Old 09-09-2022, 12:42 AM   #24
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    Was in lowers and going back to my comment above, thought it was kinda cool.
    Pretty sure I was right in front of you. Rocking the Stockton jersey? We conversed lol.
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    This guy. Good shit man. Again, would have been Donovan if he didn't get traded Gorge weekend. Good to meet you brother! Let's chill in Utah
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    Old 09-09-2022, 01:06 AM   #26
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    Thanks for the Crescent Bar rec. Such a nice change up to get on the paddle boards for the day vs. being at camp.
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    Old 09-09-2022, 01:21 AM   #27
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    The weirdest part to me is that Jeff and Rashawn keep playing like it's the normal Rapunzel outro. Carter, Dave, and Stefan get into a cool little groove, but Jeff and Rashawn just kind of...ignore it until the end, when they finally get in with the rest of the band.
    what else were jeff and rashawn supposed to do? they're not the ones responsible for the backbone of the song. they're supposed to solo there. its up to everyone else to figure out how the song is supposed to go.
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    Old 09-09-2022, 07:49 AM   #28
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    Carter made a mistake.

    The attempt to recover was an absolute disaster.

    This is not a true jam band. They play within a structure and they collapsed when the structure fell apart.

    It was a bummer miss on one of their best songs.
    Rapunzel is my favorite DMB tune. I haven't seen it live since 2000 in ATL when there was a slight vocal flub by Dave. It still stings.
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    Great minds think alike but only one of us had a good time during the song. Glad it was me…and my group. Maybe get a little closer next time.
    I was all the way back on the lawn... had such a bad time I had to leave the show and fly home early. I'll remember to get a pit ticket so I can have fun next time
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    I was all the way back on the lawn... had such a bad time I had to leave the show and fly home early. I'll remember to get a pit ticket so I can have fun next time
    Why did you have such a bad time?
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