The Decision: Boyd Leaving DMB

[Heyberto]

Originally Posted by Prezzy

Yes but the bands big fumble was not replacing with a really great violinist. I and many others miss that sound.

This. The one show I went to last summer was totally disappointing when it came to the old songs. They really need that sound back. Without it, despite the talent of the members... it really is Dave Matthews' Band now.

[dontdrink36]

Originally Posted by BringBackButchT

Yeah that is a pretty bold move. I'd love to know the story behind that. With all the guys on in-ears it's conceivable that the band didn't know.

There is no way the band didn't know Boyd was muted. Boyd didn't know, but everyone else would have had to know. The band sounds the way Dave wants it to sound. Nothing up there happens by accident and the sound crew didn't go rogue and mute Boyd without Dave's approval first.

[BringBackButchT]

Originally Posted by grilldanmo

Imagine if it was Boyd...just wanted to keep it under wraps until it was really needed or maybe wanting to minimize his work load?

I can't actually imagine that, but conspiracy theories can be fun.

Thing is, I remember from IEM mixes that Boyd is super low in a lot of them, if not completely muted. So that's conceivable too.

[BenT]

Are they going to have a replacement for him this upcoming tour or are they sticking with the 2018 method?

[karczews41]

I've been thinking this would be the perfect time to "try out" some violinists during the European tour. Fans are so excited to get to see them as it's rarer than for the states and they seem to expect/relish the more traditional DMB sound - at least based on sets and the reaction they get (example: http://dmbalmanac.com/TourShowSet.as...129&where=2015)

[grilldanmo]

Originally Posted by BenT

Are they going to have a replacement for him this upcoming tour or are they sticking with the 2018 method?

So far sticking w/ 2018. If they have added a violin on the sly, however, I'd imagine that they'd show up for some bits here and there during the European tour. Not that they haven't been working with someone or couldn't get someone up to speed between the end of the European tour and beginning of the Summer tour, I just don't think they have.

If they bring one back, I think it might be next year at the earliest.

[Bmwm3oz]

I'm sure it's been talked about but isn't it interesting how Boyd's last show consisted of a setlist where Boyd hardly plays? Definitely intentional by Dave.

[grilldanmo]

Originally Posted by karczews41

I've been thinking this would be the perfect time to "try out" some violinists during the European tour. Fans are so excited to get to see them as it's rarer than for the states and they seem to expect/relish the more traditional DMB sound - at least based on sets and the reaction they get (example: http://dmbalmanac.com/TourShowSet.as...129&where=2015)

I hadn't thought about that...they might get even more shit for not having violin than they got int he U.S.

I remember in the Punch Bros. doc, they talked about they played shows and people were ticked off because they expected an old-timey traditional bluegrass performance. It's not like they don't have access to global information and band websites, but they seemed to be shocked when Chris Thile's band wasn't playing traditional tunes, which is odd because Nickel Creek rarely played traditional tunes.

I would love it if they did. But I would hate if it were just random guest appearances not to be duplicated during the summer tour. I'm still hoping for Hamilton de Holanda to show up a bit this summer.

[BenT]

I would really prefer a violinist, even if they mix between that and reworked songs here and there. But to me, the violin is pretty essential to the sound.

[Speilmen230]

I hear the guy from Yellowcard isnt doing much these days... And he can do backflips off the drum riser.

[coldengrey12]

I think if they were gonna bring in a new violinist, they would've done it by now.

[grilldanmo]

Originally Posted by coldengrey12

I think if they were gonna bring in a new violinist, they would've done it by now.

For the coming tours, I agree. I do not think it's permanently off the table for the rest of DMB's touring or recording, but we'll see how that works out...

[coldengrey12]

I know the circumstances are different, but they had a replacement for Roi ready to go within 24 hours.

They had way more time to know their violinist was departing and their response was to ... add an organ player.

I agree that doesn't mean they'll never have one again, but it doesn't seem likely at the moment.

[grilldanmo]

Originally Posted by coldengrey12

I know the circumstances are different, but they had a replacement for Roi ready to go within 24 hours.

They had way more time to know their violinist was departing and their response was to ... add an organ player.

I agree that doesn't mean they'll never have one again, but it doesn't seem likely at the moment.

What's more, LeRoi is a singular and more talented/expressive musician. Any decent professional violinist or fiddle player could easily play Boyd's parts...far better than he ever did (meaning: remembering them, playing them correctly every night, playing them in tune, etc.). Obviously there are some wickedly sour grapes that they need time to move on from. Sadly the people its hurting most are those fans that do not like the sound without a fiddle...

[TwoStep2888]

Originally Posted by coldengrey12

I know the circumstances are different, but they had a replacement for Roi ready to go within 24 hours.

They had way more time to know their violinist was departing and their response was to ... add an organ player.

I agree that doesn't mean they'll never have one again, but it doesn't seem likely at the moment.

if they wanted violin they'd have no trouble finding one, I think they like the current sound

[the_zuul]

Surprised people think there's a legitimate chance of DMB adding a replacement violin; they have Buddy on the keys. The band is having a blast and love their current sound and energy on stage.

Violin is not happening.

[SeanMH]

Originally Posted by the_zuul

Surprised people think there's a legitimate chance of DMB adding a replacement violin; they have Buddy on the keys. The band is having a blast and love their current sound and energy on stage.

Violin is not happening.

exactly why their US tour opener is in Pensacola

[dmbalpine]

Originally Posted by the_zuul

Surprised people think there's a legitimate chance of DMB adding a replacement violin; they have Buddy on the keys. The band is having a blast and love their current sound and energy on stage.

Violin is not happening.

Not to mention they are selling plenty of tickets without a violin. So as much as some may miss or want it the band certainly isn’t seeing it.

[BenT]

Originally Posted by dmbalpine

Not to mention they are selling plenty of tickets without a violin. So as much as some may miss or want it the band certainly isn’t seeing it.

I don't think there's anyone out there whose decision to go to a show or not hinge on a violinist.

[ExistenceNow]

Originally Posted by BenT

I don't think there's anyone out there whose decision to go to a show or not hinge on a violinist.

It's absolutely a factor as to why I've stopped traveling for the band. I gave it a shot and did a typical amount of shows for me last year. Not this year.

[BenT]

Originally Posted by ExistenceNow

It's absolutely a factor as to why I've stopped traveling for the band. I gave it a shot and did a typical amount of shows for me last year. Not this year.

I guess maybe I wasn't properly taking into account people who have seen 100+ shows.

[ExistenceNow]

I mean, if you're just talking about the casual fan then yea, most probably don't even know he's gone and/or think he's now playing keys.

[BenT]

Originally Posted by ExistenceNow

I mean, if you're just talking about the casual fan then yea, most probably don't even know he's gone and/or think he's now playing keys.

I think most people who are going to a show with tickets they bought themselves already know or will notice pretty quick. Maybe if you get your friend to tag along who knows Crash Into Me and that's all, maybe won't notice.

I'm just surprised they haven't addressed the issue other than to replace a violinist with other instruments when the violin is a huge part of the band's sound. People who are aware of Boyd's issues on and off the stage would probably be perfectly fine with a capable and non-assaulting violinist.

[SeeMoreDMB]

People are still discussing a violin replacement? That horse is dead.

[rhizingbines]

Originally Posted by SeanMH

exactly why their US tour opener is in Pensacola

What exactly does this mean? Lol

[RiotAct]

Originally Posted by ExistenceNow

I mean, if you're just talking about the casual fan then yea, most probably don't even know he's gone and/or think he's now playing keys.

It depends on what your definition of 'most' is.

[pbroderi86]

I’m watching Leaving Neverland - anyone else? This is quite interesting and ruining Michael Jackson for me

[Heyberto]

Originally Posted by pbroderi86

I’m watching Leaving Neverland - anyone else? This is quite interesting and ruining Michael Jackson for me

I haven't yet, it's a bit personal. I have a family member that was molested by a family friend. It was a long time ago, it went to trial, so it's not that It's an open wound for me or my family member, but my point is, it's an issue that I care about and have very strong feelings about. Documentaries like this one are something I have to watch, but I have to be in the right headspace to get there. So that's just background for what I'm about to say.

But the Michael Jackson story has long bothered me. If you have the opportunity to go back and watch that interview with Martin Bashir (I'm assuming it's probably mentioned in that documentary) from 2003 or so, I remember watching that and it erasing all doubt for me. It was quite clear to mewith the grooming that goes on with pedophiles, and that's exactly what Michael Jackson describes himself doing. I quit listening to any of his music (not that I was a big fan anyway). There has been no doubt in my mind since then, and I can't tell you how many conversations I had with people defending him after that interview. People didn't want to believe it, and I did understand that. I felt like I had knowledge from what we'd been through that they didn't. They didn't want to hear me and that was ok. It's tough to go against what you think you know. We went through that too. But let me clear, I hope this doesn't sound preachy towards anyone.. that's not what I'm trying to convey. I am glad this doc is out in the world.

I'm so glad these guys had the strength to speak up and the filmmakers put this out there. I will watch sometime soon.

[rhizingbines]

Originally Posted by pbroderi86

I’m watching Leaving Neverland - anyone else? This is quite interesting and ruining Michael Jackson for me

I watched it last night. It always seemed like his fans just blew the whole thing off and it ended up passing over. His music is still everywhere. After watching that though, it really makes me wonder if we should even still be listening to his music which is a thought I’ve never had.

Also, pretty sure his doctor intentionally killed him because of all of this.

[Heyberto]

Originally Posted by rhizingbines

I watched it last night. It always seemed like his fans just blew the whole thing off and it ended up passing over. His music is still everywhere. After watching that though, it really makes me wonder if we should even still be listening to his music which is a thought I’ve never had.

Also, pretty sure his doctor intentionally killed him because of all of this.

Excellent point, particularly when you consider... if R Kelly's music can be purged, why can't MJ's?