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Old 07-23-2018, 08:25 AM   #3301
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Re: Anyone else think these setlists are weak

I don’t think Dewke is..
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    Point is, do you not see how ineffective being a douche about it is? Look how Stefan responded. It’s okay to criticize and be upset, but part of growing older is learning how to effectively criticize to get what you want. (I don’t know if you did the tweet or not but just saying in general?

    Clearly nobody is going to respond well to ‘dude why do you write shit hole setlists at this venue every year?’ Why would anyone excpect a real answer from an idiot who says this?

    There are a million ways to effectively criticize the band or Stefan about this, and that tweet was obviously not one of them.
    No, I didn't write the tweet, nor did I go to VA beach, and I wouldn't put it that way, but if I met a band member, I certainly would have asked why #27 was cut from Bristow instead of the songs they play there every summer, or why it seems like some venues get better shows than others every year.
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    Old 07-23-2018, 08:27 AM   #3303
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    I don’t think Dewke is..
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    Old 07-23-2018, 08:29 AM   #3304
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    stefans tweets are bordering on trump psycho level lately.
    I just read through his twitter for the first time in a long time and you're not kidding. He's either blowing smoke up his own ass or raging against people who don't agree with him.
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    Old 07-23-2018, 08:30 AM   #3305
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    Yea, being a fan doesn’t mean you have to agree with everything they do. I also don’t think it’s unreasonable to ask the band honest questions or pose legitimate concerns if done in a respectful manner.
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    Old 07-23-2018, 08:31 AM   #3306
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    Yeah this is a well thought out post.
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    Like I said I don't think you have to be a dick about it to get the message across. You can still relay to them that sets have gotten stale without actually saying that verbatim. But I'm also not against letting people know what you think either...as long as it's not hateful.

    Dewke - ‘Why not? This is their JOB. We are their customers and if they do a shitty job we have every right to express our dissatisfaction with the product they sold us.’

    Didn’t you just respond to Antiramie with this comment above?

    Maybe I misunderstood you but it sounds like you are all for sending nonsense via social media based on your response to ant.
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    Old 07-23-2018, 08:34 AM   #3307
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    A little late but VA beach was definitely a bummer. It was my 3rd or 4th show I've attended there and every year I go and the setlists are stale and almost identical to Bristow. I mean this year alone, the overlap between Bristow and VA Beach includes: Do You Remember, That Girl Is You, Samurai Cop (obviously), #41, She, Don't Drink the Water, You and Me, Louisiana Bayou (I think that's all of them). Going to the two shows near me and getting 8 songs repeated is just a bummer, especially coming after relatively more inventive sets in SPAC and even Raleigh and Jones Beach. I'm not up in arms like some other fans are, but it is definitely disappointing that they don't consider nearby shows when creating a setlist. With their following in VA you'd think they'd know that people travel across the state to go see them in both venues.
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    Old 07-23-2018, 08:36 AM   #3308
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    I think “don’t be an asshole” should be a general mantra everyone should live by, DMB fans included.
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    Like I said I don't think you have to be a dick about it to get the message across. You can still relay to them that sets have gotten stale without actually saying that verbatim. But I'm also not against letting people know what you think either...as long as it's not hateful.

    Dewke - ‘Why not? This is their JOB. We are their customers and if they do a shitty job we have every right to express our dissatisfaction with the product they sold us.’

    Didn’t you just respond to Antiramie with this comment above?

    Maybe I misunderstood you but it sounds like you are all for sending nonsense via social media based on your response to ant.
    I'm not saying I would do it, and I don't. However if a band member decides to be present and vocal on social media they are, in my opinion, opening themselves up to direct criticism. Sending messages saying "you suck at your job" or "why do you guys shit on Virginia" probably isn't the best way to get the message across, but it's no worse than all the sycophants who blow sunshine up these guys asses 24x7.
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    Old 07-23-2018, 08:36 AM   #3310
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    I think “don’t be an asshole” should be a general mantra everyone should live by, DMB fans included.
    The anonymity of the Internet killed this.
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    Old 07-23-2018, 08:42 AM   #3311
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    I'm not saying I would do it, and I don't. However if a band member decides to be present and vocal on social media they are, in my opinion, opening themselves up to direct criticism. Sending messages saying "you suck at your job" or "why do you guys shit on Virginia" probably isn't the best way to get the message across, but it's no worse than all the sycophants who blow sunshine up these guys asses 24x7.
    Ah, ok. Fair enough.

    Those who blow sunshine up their asses are casual fans who see one or two shows a year. Based on their experience, they’re having an awesome time.

    It does suck for anyone following the band around this year.. it’s probbaly one of the worst years for that.
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    Old 07-23-2018, 08:48 AM   #3312
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    Its more like a nudge. Hey Fonz, you've played Hartford 35 times without a Halloween. Then Hallowbillies was born. You're all welcome
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    Old 07-23-2018, 08:58 AM   #3313
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    I went to this show this year. Had I then made the trip to Virginia too, I would’ve been pissed. To me, these set lists are nearly identical.
    http://dmbalmanac.com/TourShowSet.as...156&where=2018

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    Old 07-23-2018, 09:00 AM   #3314
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    I went to this show this year. Had I then made the trip to Virginia too, I would’ve been pissed. To me, these set lists are nearly identical.
    http://dmbalmanac.com/TourShowSet.as...156&where=2018

    http://dmbalmanac.com/TourShowSet.as...156&where=2018
    I almost went to Chicago N1 but went with N2 instead. At least a little more different but yeah I'd be livid. I'm salty I went to Bristow and VA Beach
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    How is the band's live show not a product like every other thing people purchase on a yearly basis? Sure, live music is a hell of a lot more subjective than, let's say, toilet paper or togo food from a local restaurant, but why is complaining about one more acceptable than the others?

    This band isn't god. Quit treating them that way. They have flaws like everything else in life.
    Agreed totally, other than everything being flawed. I thought I was perfect.

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    I wouldn't either, because he clearly doesn't give a shit and at this point I don't either, but I'm all for anyone who got one of these throwaway nights at the same price as the good nights hitting him up if they want.
    Yep. I spent just as much money on Va Beach as people who went to Deer Creek did. I was not happy. I'm not going to hound Fonz on social media over it, but I'm cheering for people who do.

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    This. To complain to any non-Dave member about something they have no control over is beyond stupid. Stefan can't say "I agree dude, these sets are horrible!" even if he truly believed that.
    Pretty sure I once read that Dave writes the setlist and then allows Carter and Stefan to object/give input because of how hard they work as the rhythm section - if that's still true, then Fonz does have *some* say.

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    Idk... on one hand it's not something I bother with, but I do think there's SOME value in at least some people in the band knowing that there exists other opinions beyond what they can see on the rail and their legion of phonebook followers.
    100% agree. I think part of their/Dave's problem is that they/he are surrounded entirely by yes-men.

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    There’s a good one on the Berkeley 2008 IEM where Dave returns from the encore break to a Halloween chant and says “Oh hell the fuck no!”
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    Yea, being a fan doesn’t mean you have to agree with everything they do. I also don’t think it’s unreasonable to ask the band honest questions or pose legitimate concerns if done in a respectful manner.
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    Old 07-23-2018, 09:04 AM   #3316
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    I almost went to Chicago N1 but went with N2 instead. At least a little more different but yeah I'd be livid. I'm salty I went to Bristow and VA Beach
    Great call on N2. You guys got a much better set. n1 was the worst set I’ve seen. Entire reserved seating behind PIT was sitting until sledgehammer was played.
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    Old 07-23-2018, 09:04 AM   #3317
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    Sorry for the long post, but I was gone during most of this conversation, which is a rare Ants conversation that I find worthy of debate. Carry on!
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    Old 07-23-2018, 09:28 AM   #3318
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    Great call on N2. You guys got a much better set. n1 was the worst set I’ve seen. Entire reserved seating behind PIT was sitting until sledgehammer was played.
    Yeah I thought N2 was actually pretty solid at that stage in the tour. Seek Up is a song that I could get 3 or 4 times a year and still enjoy the hell out of it.
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    It's kind of funny reading through the Raleigh thread and then the Virginia Beach thread, two opposite ends of the spectrum
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    It does suck for anyone following the band around this year.. it’s probbaly one of the worst years for that.

    Saw the most shows I’ve seen in one tour this summer and we got real real lucky with the shows we attended. If we picked one venue over another (or a N1 over a N2) once or twice we would have ended up in tough shape by the second show from a variety perspective.

    Things didn’t start to feel repetitive until our last show. The main set home stretch of SPAC N2 felt somewhat lackluster (my expectations were also a lot higher being at SPAC and all which influences things.) but we were saved by a 40 tease and Two Step.

    Your point stands tho cause like I said we got super lucky



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    I have mixed emotions about the tour this year but I think it leads to an important question:

    If you really like this band in 2018 (and moving forward), why would you ever attend a single show unless you're within an easy drive of the venue? Any chance at seeing something "big" or some real song liberations seem to only be at two night stands/Gorge. Single shows are still great for casual fans and locals, but caring about this band and traveling to singe shows seems to be a poor strategy.
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    I have mixed emotions about the tour this year but I think it leads to an important question:

    If you really like this band in 2018 (and moving forward), why would you ever attend a single show unless you're within an easy drive of the venue? Any chance at seeing something "big" or some real song liberations seem to only be at two night stands/Gorge. Single shows are still great for casual fans and locals, but caring about this band and traveling to singe shows seems to be a poor strategy.
    Yep, even though Richmond is within two hours of Virginia Beach and Bristow, I don't know that I see myself driving to either location. I could easily fly to Indianapolis and visit friends/family throughout the course of a weekend and see those shows instead. Sure, that's more money, but if I plan and budget for it then it's probably worth it. Plus, I'm guaranteed at least one good show out of that.
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    Yep, even though Richmond is within two hours of Virginia Beach and Bristow, I don't know that I see myself driving to either location. I could easily fly to Indianapolis and visit friends/family throughout the course of a weekend and see those shows instead. Sure, that's more money, but if I plan and budget for it then it's probably worth it. Plus, I'm guaranteed at least one good show out of that.
    I did single shows this year and Burgettstown/Blossom weren't bad (almost its own two nighter like Mansfield/Hartford) but solo shows in Cinci and Atlanta were meh.

    I'd be much better off doing two weekends at SPAC, Chicago/Alpine, Camden, Deer Creek, WPB the same number of shows. You can always get lucky and see a Raleigh/Detroit solo show in a vacuum but the odds of it being mediocre are just too high.
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    This thread is going to go well...
    I just love how this was the second comment of this thread.. meanwhile, 100+ pages, 3000 posts later...
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    I have mixed emotions about the tour this year but I think it leads to an important question:

    If you really like this band in 2018 (and moving forward), why would you ever attend a single show unless you're within an easy drive of the venue? Any chance at seeing something "big" or some real song liberations seem to only be at two night stands/Gorge. Single shows are still great for casual fans and locals, but caring about this band and traveling to singe shows seems to be a poor strategy.
    Hindsight 2020? Who would have predicted that 2018 would be so repetitive that song liberations would be a very RARE thing. Prior years, you'd still get a TD at a 'whatever' venue.

    I think everyone is aware of what to expect and not expect going forward.
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    Old 07-23-2018, 12:50 PM   #3328
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    Before the tour......Most people were just concerned about how the band would sound with no violin and a new band member. I think they have impressed the overwhelming majority of those who were in that boat.

    The setlists, while very frustrating to some, is a battle that will just continue to happen. Always. No matter how many games you play with them. I came to realize that years ago after Chicago's winter 2012 show.....but I'm only a 1-2 show guy. Shows have been great ever since. Even the "repetitive" sets.
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    Before the tour......Most people were just concerned about how the band would sound with no violin and a new band member. I think they have impressed the overwhelming majority of those who were in that boat.

    The setlists, while very frustrating to some, is a battle that will just continue to happen. Always. No matter how many games you play with them. I came to realize that years ago after Chicago's winter 2012 show.....but I'm only a 1-2 show guy. Shows have been great ever since. Even the "repetitive" sets.
    I'm in this camp as well. At the end of the day, if I see them once a year, I'll have been blessed and lucky. They are masters of live performance. We're lucky to have the ability to keep seeing them as often as we do. I have no idea how much longer they'll keep doing it, but I'm so grateful for the shows I do go too, crap set list and all.
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    This will personally be the worst tour ever for me. VA Beach was just so bad. Pretty much played all the songs they play too much in one show with zero WOW moments mixed in. Camden was the possibly the worst two night stand I’ve ever attended. L
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