The NBA Thread

[justinandimcool]

the following things are true

this is the best we’ve ever seen Embiid play and we should appreciate it now as he is basically must see tv

Embiid REALLY likes dominating bad teams and is so-so against good teams

if he can keep up this run and get Philadelphia some more signature wins against winning teams, he’d be right up there with Jokic/Antetokuonmpo for the MVP running, but he’s just a tier below

[justinandimcool]

wow Washington blew a 6 point lead in 11 seconds to lose the game lmao

[dmbfd15]

Like the offensive start from Luka. Need Porzingis to drain more threes though.

[ToySoldier#34]

Getting blown out by a team that needs to be blown up, yikes Kings

[justinandimcool]

i don’t give a crap about all star stuff but Wiggins being voted in is hilarious

[dmbfd15]

When they said Wiggins was an all star starter, my response was “Andrew???” .

[Rodey]

I had to check his numbers. And then I was even more confused.

[justinandimcool]

Phoenix so good
in back to back games i saw them grind it out in a slow ass game and run a track meet. i mean i knew they do both but such a cool contrast to watch one after another. Minnesota tough losses back to back, offense good in both

Chicago is in trouble imo. their defense just hasn’t improved in the last few weeks and with Caruso out it’s not getting much better

[Rodey]

Giannis. What a pass.

[justinandimcool]

New York sucks but Milwaukee such a machine again when healthy despite some bad losses this month

omg over the head pass

[Rodey]

I just saw this on Reddit, but what an incredible stat...


Jordan had a 9.34% TOV rate with a 33.26% usage.

Jordan somehow has the 39th best TOV% of all-time when he has the #1 usage all time
Almost no other "GOAT" cracks the top 250 in TOV%!!! Not Magic, Bird, LeBron, Kareem, Kevin Durant, Shaq, Wilt, or Stephen Curry! Impressively, Kobe is #159 and Duncan barely makes it at #247
Jordan has the lowest TOV% of ANY player averaging 4.0 assists per game or more (minimum 500 games played); interestingly, Jimmy Butler used to be #1 here until the past few seasons
Jordan had 14 40-point games with 0 turnovers. No one else has had more than 6.

EDIT: Here are the links for this data:

https://www.basketball-reference.com...ct_career.html

https://www.basketball-reference.com...ct_career.html

[justinandimcool]

^ crazy



damn i was busy all night but watched bits and pieces of the Toronto/Miami epic, pretty crazy night

and Doncic/Irving/Morant and Wiggins lmao put on a show too

[justinandimcool]

Michael Porter done for the year

same with Ingles who we may have seen the last of. Utah is all jacked up right now but it could work out for them if they drop to 6th and get some favorable matchups

[Speilmen230]

Betting on this Memphis/Philly game has taken me for a RIDE. OT here we go.

[JRS1386]

Originally Posted by Speilmen230

Betting on this Memphis/Philly game has taken me for a RIDE. OT here we go.

Whats your bet? Its been a hectic finish

[JRS1386]

I miss Mark Zumoff calling games for the Sixers

[JRS1386]

The fucking balls on Tyrese Maxey non-stop driving

[JRS1386]

What a win by the 76ers without Embiid. Maxey and Harris had themselves a game and Curry was clutch in the 4th

[JRS1386]

Shit didn't even mention Drummond with 23 rebounds and some clutch blocks and rebounds

[justinandimcool]

crazy day god damn, lots of rewatching to do. Toronto in some epic battles lately

[justinandimcool]

by no means complete but i made this worksheet for myself, all the names i've heard in rumors, plus a list of RFA and UFA for my brain to mentally prepare for the deadline

(this year salary/years left after this year)

ATL
Collins (23/4 years left)
Huerter (4/new 3yr deal kicks in next year)
Gallinari (20/1 yr non guarantee left)
UFA Williams
UFA Dieng
RFA Knox


BOS
Brown (26/2 years left)
Smart (14/4 years left)
Schroder (6)
Horford (27/1 year nonguarantee left)
UFA Schroder
UFA Dozier


BKN
Harden (44/1 yr PO left)
Harris (17/2 yr left)
Millsap (1.5)
UFA Brown
UFA Millsap
UFA Aldridge
UFA Bembry
UFA Griffin (no trade)
RFA Claxton


CHA
Hayward (29/2 yr left)
Oubre (12/1 year non guarantee left)
Bouknight (4/rookie)
Washington (4/1 yr RFA left)
RFA Bridges
RFA Martin

CHI
Williams (7/rookie)
White (6/2 yr rookie left)
RFA Brown

CLE
Love (31/1 yr left)
Rubio (17/UFA)
Sexton (6/RFA)
Osman (8/2-1 yr left)
Okoro (7/2 yr rookie left)
RFA Sexton
UFA Rubio
UFA Rondo

DAL
Hardaway (21/3 yr left declining)
Powell (11/1 yr left)
Bullock (9/1-1 yr left)
Kleber (9/1 non guarantee left)
Finney-Smith (4/UFA)
UFA Brunson
UFA Finney-Smith


DEN
Jamychal Green (8/1 yr PO left)
RFA Cancar
RFA Campazzo
UFA Forbes
UFA Rivers (no trade)

DET
Grant (20/1 yr left)
Olynyk (12/2-1 left)
UFA Josh Jackson

GSW
RFA Toscano
UFA Porter
UFA Bjelica
UFA Iguodala
UFA Payton

HOU
Gordon (18/2-1 left)
Wall (44/1 yr PO left)
Wood (13/1 yr left)
Theis (8/2-1 left)
Nwaba (4/2-1 left)
Matthews (2 yr non guarantee left)
Tate (1 yr TO left)

IND
Sabonis (20/2 yr left)
Levert (17/1 yr left)
McConnell (7/2-1 yr left)
Warren (12/UFA)
UFA Warren
UFA Lamb

LAC
Kennard (13/2-1 left)
Jackson (10/1 yr left)
Ibaka (9/UFA)
UFA Ibaka

LAL
Westbrook (44/1 yr PO left)
Horton-Tucker (9/1+1 left)
Nunn (5/1 yr PO left)
UFA Ariza
UFA Ellington
UFA Howard
UFA Bazemore
UFA Jordan
UFA Anthony
UFA Monk
UFA Bradley

MEM
Adams (17/1 yr left)
Brooks (12/1 yr left)
Melton (9/2-1 left)
Anderson (9/UFA)
Jones (8/UFA)
Culver (6/UFA)
Tillman (1.5/rookie 2-1 left)
UFA Anderson
UFA Jones
UFA Culver

MIA
Robinson (16/3+1 left)
UFA Dedmon
UFA Morris
UFA Oladipo
RFA Okpala

MIL
Divincenzo (4/RFA)
Hill (4/1 yr left)
UFA Ojeleye
UFA Hood
RFA Nwora
RFA Divincenzo

MIN
Beasley (14/2-1 left)
Layman (4/UFA)
UFA Layman
UFA Beverley
UFA Prince
RFA Okogie

NOP
Ingram (29/3 yr left)
Valanciunas (14/2 yr left)
Hart (12/1 yr non guarantee left)
Hayes (5/1 yr left)
Temple (5/1 yr left)
Satoransky (10/UFA)
UFA Satoransky

NYK
Fournier (17/3-1 left)
Burks (9/2-1 left)
Walker (8/1 yr left)
Toppin (5/2-1 left)
Noel (8/2-1 left)
UFA Robinson

OKC
Favors (10/1 yr PO left)
Muscala (3/1 yr TO left)
Williams (2/1 yr non guarantee left)

ORL
Ross (12.5/1 yr left)
Fultz (16.5/2-1 left)
Harris (20/UFA)
Lopez (5/UFA)
Bamba (7.5/RFA)
UFA Carter-Williams
UFA Lopez
UFA Harris
RFA Bamba

PHI
Simmons (33/3 yr left)
Harris 36/2 yr left)
Curry (8/1 yr left)
Green 10/1 yr non guarantee left)
UFA Drummond

PHX
Saric (8/1 yr left)
RFA Ayton
UFA McGee
UFA Smith
UFA Kaminsky
UFA Nader
UFA Biyombo

POR
McCollum (31/2 yr left)
Powell (15/4 yr left)
Covington (13/UFA)
Nance (10/1 yr left)
UFA Covington
UFA Zeller
UFA McLemore
UFA Snell
UFA Smith
RFA Simons

SAC
Fox (28/4 yr left)
Hield (23/2 yr left)
Barnes (20/1 yr left)
Thompson (9/UFA)
Bagley (11/RFA)
Harkless (4/1 yr left)
Davis (4/1 yr left)
Len (4/1 yr left)
RFA Bagley
UFA Thompson

SAS
Murray (15/2 yr left)
White (15/3 yr left)
Poeltl (8/1 yr left)
Young (14/UFA)
UFA Young
RFA Walker

TOR
Siakam (33/2 yr left)
Dragic (19/UFA)
Trent (16/1+1 left)
Birch (6/2 yr left)
Achiuwa (3/2-1 rookie left)
UFA Dragic
UFA Boucher

UTA
Bogdanovic (19/1 yr left)
RFA Paschall


WAS
Dinwiddie (17/2-1 left)
Bertans (16/2+1 left)
Harrell (9/UFA)
UFA Neto
UFA Harrell
UFA Bryant
RFA Gill
RFA Holiday

Likely Sellers:
Boston (to get under tax)
Washington
Portland
Detroit
Oklahoma City
Houston
Sacramento
Toronto (wobbler)

Likely Buyers:
Atlanta
Lakers
Charlotte
Cleveland
Minnesota
Philadelphia
Miami
Denver

Teams with cap space left:
Oklahoma City

Likely cap space teams this summer:
Detroit
Memphis
Minnesota
Oklahoma City
Orlando
Sacramento
San Antonio

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[Rodey]

Giannis MVP.

[justinandimcool]

yup especially if Jokic and Denver start sliding, Antetokuonmpo is the clear MVP at the moment

Grayson Allen won me a lot of prop money tonight lol


wtf Orlando, tied with 2 and a half minutes to go, lose by 11, don’t cover +10. fun game though as always with them


oh shit speaking of prop money...Derozan and Anthony did as well, omg

[justinandimcool]

embarrassing San Antonio loss but Kuminga and Moody stole the show...they’re gonna be good

[Rodey]

What was your prop bet?

[Rodey]

Justin what are the Spurs doing? Feel like they need a roster shakeup. Like everyone but Dejounte and Johnson are available kind of thing.

[justinandimcool]

Originally Posted by Rodey

What was your prop bet?

Grayson Allen over 15.5 points/rebounds/assists
and over 1.5 threes, i put them separately in a parlay with the Minnesota/Denver over and teased Orlando to +13.5

i love playing him because he plays so much with the starters, gets a lot of open looks and Vegas doesn’t really respect him so he’s always good value

same w Gary Harris but unfortunately he’s been benched
——

my biggest win of the year was tonight though:
Derozan 2 threes, Wagner 2 threes, Derozan 2 steals, Anthony 2 steals (+28800)

first same game parlay i’ve won in a month and i pretty much won back all my losses this year. i only put 0.1 units on these though

[justinandimcool]

[QUOTE=Rodey;18125058]Justin what are the Spurs doing? Feel like they need a roster shakeup. Like everyone but Dejounte and Johnson are available kind of thing.[/QUOTE

i think everything is going to plan from this summer. they recognize the Gasol contract on top of holding on to Aldridge/Derozan/Mills/Gay last year was a mistake...going into this year they wanted to see who can actually play and try to basically appraise each player and i think they’ve done that

i think they know some moves need to be made this deadline or at the latest this summer, just gotta figure out who

my analysis:

Murray- absolutely expendable. i’m not sure his value will ever be higher than it is now. mostly a box score fiend- he’s a good stopper on help side and can steal the ball from non elite ball handlers, but not a starter on a title team. the jumper just isn’t there for the modern NBA. think Tony Parker without the finishing at the rim, just happens to have long arms to get boards/steals. not to mention amazing value at 15m per that they can get extra assets for

White- my favorite player, can help any contender now as a starting 2. can shoot create and defend at a starter level- basically a taller less talented VanVleeti want him to be a part of the next great Spurs team but he’s just too old at 27. he can help Atlanta or the Lakers or Memphis or Dallas get to the next level TODAY and we should strip them of everything we’ve got. amazing value too on his contract

Poeltl- again amazing value at 8.5 per. can guard out in the perimeter, and elite (yes top 5) rim protector. i would like him to stay but if they can flip him for a first go for it. his offensive game isn’t NBA finals caliber but he makes up for it on the offensive glass. IMO a poor man’s Gobert which is still pretty good.

Johnson- by far the most disappointing. can’t shoot consistently, can’t handle the ball or finish reliably, teams scout his drives so they just load up to him, can’t create for himself. can guard 3s decently and can get hot once in a while. basically Jeff Green. not sure what value he has left

Vassell- i see faint faint faint shades of stardom. has the size, beautiful jumper, good length, defensive instincts. he just doesn’t put the ball on the floor well and when the jumper leaves it LEAVES. would love to see usage go up because his trajectory reminds me of a certain cornrowed nephew

Walker- RFA coming up, we won’t extend him, we’re trying to get his value up but man he is just so inconsistent night to night. defensively just isn’t quick enough, offensively he’s a nice microwave but just so easy to stop- your typical athletic 2, Will Barton type, not sure what we can get

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i’m all for selling all of them and building around Vassell and Primo, i see offensive star power with them at least.

my prediction is we hold on to them all at the deadline, because of team bonding and culture (a mistake but i understand it). then this summer package White/Poeltl/Johnson with what is hopefully a top 6 pick for a decent starter, John Collins maybe as is often rumored

[Noles20]

Originally Posted by JRS1386

I miss Mark Zumoff calling games for the Sixers

She is terrible!

[Rodey]

[QUOTE=justinandimcool;18125077]

Originally Posted by Rodey

Justin what are the Spurs doing? Feel like they need a roster shakeup. Like everyone but Dejounte and Johnson are available kind of thing.[/QUOTE

i think everything is going to plan from this summer. they recognize the Gasol contract on top of holding on to Aldridge/Derozan/Mills/Gay last year was a mistake...going into this year they wanted to see who can actually play and try to basically appraise each player and i think they’ve done that

i think they know some moves need to be made this deadline or at the latest this summer, just gotta figure out who

my analysis:

Murray- absolutely expendable. i’m not sure his value will ever be higher than it is now. mostly a box score fiend- he’s a good stopper on help side and can steal the ball from non elite ball handlers, but not a starter on a title team. the jumper just isn’t there for the modern NBA. think Tony Parker without the finishing at the rim, just happens to have long arms to get boards/steals. not to mention amazing value at 15m per that they can get extra assets for

White- my favorite player, can help any contender now as a starting 2. can shoot create and defend at a starter level- basically a taller less talented VanVleeti want him to be a part of the next great Spurs team but he’s just too old at 27. he can help Atlanta or the Lakers or Memphis or Dallas get to the next level TODAY and we should strip them of everything we’ve got. amazing value too on his contract

Poeltl- again amazing value at 8.5 per. can guard out in the perimeter, and elite (yes top 5) rim protector. i would like him to stay but if they can flip him for a first go for it. his offensive game isn’t NBA finals caliber but he makes up for it on the offensive glass. IMO a poor man’s Gobert which is still pretty good.

Johnson- by far the most disappointing. can’t shoot consistently, can’t handle the ball or finish reliably, teams scout his drives so they just load up to him, can’t create for himself. can guard 3s decently and can get hot once in a while. basically Jeff Green. not sure what value he has left

Vassell- i see faint faint faint shades of stardom. has the size, beautiful jumper, good length, defensive instincts. he just doesn’t put the ball on the floor well and when the jumper leaves it LEAVES. would love to see usage go up because his trajectory reminds me of a certain cornrowed nephew

Walker- RFA coming up, we won’t extend him, we’re trying to get his value up but man he is just so inconsistent night to night. defensively just isn’t quick enough, offensively he’s a nice microwave but just so easy to stop- your typical athletic 2, Will Barton type, not sure what we can get

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i’m all for selling all of them and building around Vassell and Primo, i see offensive star power with them at least.

my prediction is we hold on to them all at the deadline, because of team bonding and culture (a mistake but i understand it). then this summer package White/Poeltl/Johnson with what is hopefully a top 6 pick for a decent starter, John Collins maybe as is often rumored

Interesting that you don't like Johnson and Murray. I mean I mostly just box score peep the Spurs, but they seem to have the highest ceilings.