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Re: *Prompter Thread* (NO personal attacks, NO trolling)

On one hand, you have faulty and inefficient data collection/reporting methodologies, through a terrorist run organization, being further worsened through a fog of war and incompetence of the terrorist-leadership.

On the other, you have a bunch of nerds showing a divergence in the data - who actually think the data is undercounted in net but does contain incorrect demographic mix, whose institution received funding from a US political action committee for Israeli relations.

And we’re going to be most skeptical of…which one?
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    ???

    Do you not think Israel is committing war crimes just because he cited Al Jazeera?

    I just think every news source has bias. Al Jazeera has bias as well. His comment pointed out bias by posting another news source with bias? Dumb.
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    Old Yesterday, 08:13 PM   #553743
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    On one hand, you have faulty and inefficient data collection/reporting methodologies, through a terrorist run organization, being further worsened through a fog of war and incompetence of the terrorist-leadership.

    On the other, you have a bunch of nerds showing a divergence in the data - who actually think the data is undercounted in net but does contain incorrect demographic mix, whose institution received funding from a US political action committee for Israeli relations.

    And we’re going to be most skeptical of…which one?

    If there is agreement that the death toll is likely undercounted, I’m not sure why it matters that there are inaccuracies in the demographic mix to be honest.
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    On one hand, you have faulty and inefficient data collection/reporting methodologies, through a terrorist run organization, being further worsened through a fog of war and incompetence of the terrorist-leadership.

    On the other, you have a bunch of nerds showing a divergence in the data - who actually think the data is undercounted in net but does contain incorrect demographic mix, whose institution received funding from a US political action committee for Israeli relations.

    And we’re going to be most skeptical of…which one?
    The US government regularly cites the death statistics provided by the health ministry, and the UN says it’s typically pretty close to what they have.
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    Old Yesterday, 08:15 PM   #553745
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    If there is agreement that the death toll is likely undercounted, I’m not sure why it matters that there are inaccuracies in the demographic mix to be honest.
    You don’t understand why it matters if far fewer women and children are being killed than Hamas and their affiliates are claiming?
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    Old Yesterday, 08:17 PM   #553746
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    I just think every news source has bias. Al Jazeera has bias as well. His comment pointed out bias by posting another news source with bias? Dumb.

    That’s fair, I don’t disagree. But you only seem to call out/post lol guys about the outlets that have a contradictory view to yours.
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    Old Yesterday, 08:18 PM   #553747
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    You don’t understand why it matters if far fewer women and children are being killed than Hamas and their affiliates are claiming?

    Not in particular, no. Are you insinuating that only women and children matter because all men in Gaza are Hamas?
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    Old Yesterday, 08:22 PM   #553748
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    That’s fair, I don’t disagree. But you only seem to call out/post lol guys about the outlets that have a contradictory view to yours.

    He does the same thing. I just did it back.
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    Re: *Prompter Thread* (NO personal attacks, NO trolling)

    the primary part of my post was from NPR
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    Hamas is lying to you.

    They are turning 19 and 20 year old deaths into 16 and 17 year olds.

    The reason they are doing that is because then it falls under "children". And leftists like you don't think of 16 and 17 year olds when you think of children you think of 4 and 5 year olds.
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    Hamas convinces a 19 year old to fire rockets at Israel.

    If Israel kills that person Hamas can just change that person's age to 16. Boom. Child died.

    Win win win for Hamas. Leftists think Israel killed an innocent little 4 year old.
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    Just read a report that something like 85% of Palestinian children deaths from 2000-2007 were males. Crazy unlucky that this indiscriminate deaths killed so many more little boys than little girls.
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    That’s not the contention. The contention is the gender and age mix is way off:
    I made this point back in October/November. Ramie didn't understand the point I was making. Looks like I was right.
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    Old Yesterday, 08:36 PM   #553751
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    If there is agreement that the death toll is likely undercounted, I’m not sure why it matters that there are inaccuracies in the demographic mix to be honest.
    TheLastStop123 is the king of pointing out potential inaccuracies. It should should matter to him.
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    Old Yesterday, 08:37 PM   #553752
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    the primary part of my post was from NPR
    Not sure what that has to do with what I posted, but OK.
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    I made this point back in October/November. Ramie didn't understand the point I was making. Looks like I was right.
    I posted this awhile ago, they release the ages of people who die, along with verifiable records proving their age:

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    in regards to changing ages:

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    But Thursday, in response to U.S. doubts over its figures, the ministry released a 212-page report listing every Palestinian killed in the war so far, including their names, ID numbers, ages and gender. A copy of the report shared with the AP names 6,747 Palestinians and says an additional 281 bodies have not yet been identified. The list did not provide a breakdown by location.
    https://apnews.com/article/israel-ha...f73c703400b033

    It is true that they don’t distinguish between militant and civilian deaths, nor do they distinguish those who die by hamas’s own rocket fire
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    I posted this awhile ago, they release the ages of people who die, along with verifiable records proving their age:
    That article was last updated on November 6th.

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    Inconsistencies grew even more pronounced after the Gaza Health Ministry's fatality-counting effort collapsed around November 10 and the GMO took over until at least December 2, at which point the Health Ministry resumed its daily reporting.


    While the ministry has not released subtotals since resuming its reporting, it has consistently asserted that roughly 70% of those killed are women and children, a proportion repeated by many news outlets and the UN.

    This is where the study noted the divergence in the data began.
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    I posted this awhile ago, they release the ages of people who die, along with verifiable records proving their age:
    That article seems to focus on total number of deaths.

    "names, ID numbers, ages and gender." Is that then independently verified? Maybe the id numbers line up that the 16 year olds are actually 16 and not 19?
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    Islam is a religion of peace folks, they have no reason to lie. Quit being such bigots.
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    No need for shitty islamophobia here
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    No need for shitty islamophobia here
    The fact you take the post that way implies some bias on your end, sir/ma’am.
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    you really think you're smart don't you? lol shut the fuck up
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    you really think you're smart don't you? lol shut the fuck up
    Your arrogant assumptions tell me all I need to know about you. Very lame.
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    Oh geez. Another bender.
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    Not in particular, no. Are you insinuating that only women and children matter because all men in Gaza are Hamas?
    All that matters to many is they're fighting against Israel. Doesn't matter if they view themselves as defending their homeland, they're terrorists whether they align with Hamas or another group of people. Ergo the only way to cooperate with Israel is to (unlikely) help them crush Hamas, overlooking all the devastation they've already caused, even though we're told time and again, and there's evidence to support this claim, that Hamas doesn't care about the average Palestinian.

    Tldr anyone who fights against Israel is a terrorist. Or should I say goes against their geopolitical aims. Same story for any hard power in the world. Get out of our way or we'll steamroll over you. And if you attack us, we'll use it as justification for mass slaughter and expansion of territory.

    Hamas played into Israel's long game, as did Al Qaeda with the United States and Russia with Ukraine. It's a big game of chess and we can only watch.
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    Islam is a religion of peace folks, they have no reason to lie. Quit being such bigots.
    You can find radicals anywhere.

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    And if you attack us, we'll use it as justification for mass slaughter and expansion of territory.
    JFC what in the world are you talking about? This wasn’t just an attack. It was a kidnapping by terrorists. They want the hostages back but Hamas is playing the long game. And you’re falling for it….still.
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    JFC what in the world are you talking about? This wasn’t just an attack. It was a kidnapping by terrorists. They want the hostages back but Hamas is playing the long game. And you’re falling for it….still.
    Do you deny that Hamas got exactly the response they desired when they invaded Israel? Or Al Qaeda when they attacked the United States? The goal is never-ending war, and Israel and the US, among other countries when they're attacked are more than willing to oblige. What else are they supposed to do? It's a necessary evil. I'm just saying humanity is trapped in these evil designs by power-hungry people. Maybe some other civilization on some other planet we haven't discovered yet has learned to live in peace and could teach us a thing or two? We'd probably try to kill them and take what they have though.
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    If we're being kind, we could give the 'Gaza death overcount' people some credit. They want there to be less dead Palestinians.
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    I've met a couple nice Trumpers. There are nice people everywhere.
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    It'll be interesting to see what China decides to do re: Taiwan. Should they choose invasion, Taiwan will still need help to defend themselves, despite all the weapons and training already given by the United States.
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    I like to think of the motives of all parties concerned.
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