DMB Vinyl Releases

[OneSweetMonkey]

Is anyone else having the same issues that I'm having?

Without fail, every single time I buy a dmb vinyl there is something wrong with it. Either small scratches on the records that cause pops and clicks through entire songs to surface noise. Am I just having bad luck (with every single release)? Or is anyone else experiencing this?

Live 25 was the only one that I received with no issues. Thank God.

[firedancer34]

get a record washer https://www.amazon.com/Spin-Clean-Re...7459794&sr=8-7

even brand new records come filled with dirt, dust and shavings. that's most likely your issue.

[BruceW]

Originally Posted by firedancer34

get a record washer https://www.amazon.com/Spin-Clean-Re...7459794&sr=8-7

even brand new records come filled with dirt, dust and shavings. that's most likely your issue.

This.

Great product too

[OneSweetMonkey]

Originally Posted by firedancer34

get a record washer https://www.amazon.com/Spin-Clean-Re...7459794&sr=8-7

even brand new records come filled with dirt, dust and shavings. that's most likely your issue.

Funny enough, that's the exact one I have. I use it on every record I buy!

Thanks for trying to help!!

[but1well]

Originally Posted by OneSweetMonkey

Funny enough, that's the exact one I have. I use it on every record I buy!

Thanks for trying to help!!

Do you use distilled water when washing? I actually prefer to use my SpinClean with just plain distilled water, no cleaner.

[OneSweetMonkey]

Originally Posted by but1well

Do you use distilled water when washing? I actually prefer to use my SpinClean with just plain distilled water, no cleaner.

I do use distilled water with the cleaning solution mixed in.

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[firedancer34]

Originally Posted by OneSweetMonkey

Funny enough, that's the exact one I have. I use it on every record I buy!

Thanks for trying to help!!

whats your turntable and cart? worn stylus and/or overly heavy tracking perhaps?

[OneSweetMonkey]

Originally Posted by firedancer34

whats your turntable and cart? worn stylus and/or overly heavy tracking perhaps?

I have both an Audio Tehnica LP-120 and a Rega RP1. Both are new enough to not have stylus ware, and both tone arms are properly balanced with the correct tracking force. Same issues on both tables.

Even still... the surface noise is one thing. The small scratches are the real issue. Mostly on the DMBLive releases. I haven't gotten one yet that I haven't needed to replace. And even the replacements are "ok, well, this is the best it's going to get" type scenario.

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[firedancer34]

Originally Posted by OneSweetMonkey

I have both an Audio Tehnica LP-120 and a Rega RP1. Both are new enough to not have stylus ware, and both tone arms are properly balanced with the correct tracking force. Same issues on both tables.

Even still... the surface noise is one thing. The small scratches are the real issue. Mostly on the DMBLive releases. I haven't gotten one yet that I haven't needed to replace. And even the replacements are "ok, well, this is the best it's going to get" type scenario.

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i see. i personally havent had any issue with the stuff ive gotten, other than being dirty, but maybe im not paying as much attention. i think the dmblive stuff is produced at a low cost plant (someone here has mentioned it before) so thats probably where the issues stem from.

[chadizzy1]

Originally Posted by firedancer34

whats your turntable and cart? worn stylus and/or overly heavy tracking perhaps?

Originally Posted by OneSweetMonkey

I have both an Audio Tehnica LP-120 and a Rega RP1. Both are new enough to not have stylus ware, and both tone arms are properly balanced with the correct tracking force. Same issues on both tables.

I was going to say that's a common issue with AT tables, but I'm not sure why you would have that issue with a Rega, what cart do you have on it?

[BTBaboon]

Originally Posted by OneSweetMonkey

I have both an Audio Tehnica LP-120 and a Rega RP1. Both are new enough to not have stylus ware, and both tone arms are properly balanced with the correct tracking force. Same issues on both tables.

Even still... the surface noise is one thing. The small scratches are the real issue. Mostly on the DMBLive releases. I haven't gotten one yet that I haven't needed to replace. And even the replacements are "ok, well, this is the best it's going to get" type scenario.

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Yeah, these have been pressed at Rainbo, one of the worst plants there is (soon to be "was", they are shutting down at the end of this month). The scuffing that is causing audible issues is almost certainly due to their lack of QA and potentially worse vinyl formulation/compounds mixed with their old machinery.

Now, I will say that a few of my black DMBLive pressings have visible scuffs that do not cause anything audible during playback. In these cases, while maybe not looking great, I don't find these to be cause for return.

I do wonder what DMB will do if they wish to continue the DMBLive series on vinyl now that Rainbo is gone. Using another pressing plant is likely to raise prices for what is essentially DMB's budget-line of vinyl releases

[but1well]

There is almost always going to be some small level of surface noise with vinyl. That being said all of my DMBlive albums, Crash, UTTAD, RTT, LC, all have been very clean with no distracting surface noise. Cleaning or no cleaning. What is your turntable setup/cartridge? I would recommend a spin clean regardless of your issues and an Onzo zerodust stylus cleaner. Using the spin clean once on each record in combination with semi-regular use of ZeroDust should ensure your records stay as clean as reasonably possible, save a vacuum record cleaner.

[BTBaboon]

Originally Posted by OneSweetMonkey

Is anyone else having the same issues that I'm having?

Without fail, every single time I buy a dmb vinyl there is something wrong with it. Either small scratches on the records that cause pops and clicks through entire songs to surface noise. Am I just having bad luck (with every single release)? Or is anyone else experiencing this?

Live 25 was the only one that I received with no issues. Thank God.

This isn't unique to DMB vinyl - the industry is reach capacity at most of the cheaper plants with current machinery, and quality is sometimes a sacrificial lamb.

But as others said, definitely get something for wet cleaning if you're buying a decent amount of vinyl. I give everything a once through, used or new, before playing.

[OneSweetMonkey]

Originally Posted by BTBaboon

This isn't unique to DMB vinyl - the industry is reach capacity at most of the cheaper plants with current machinery, and quality is sometimes a sacrificial lamb.

But as others said, definitely get something for wet cleaning if you're buying a decent amount of vinyl. I give everything a once through, used or new, before playing.

That's the conclusion I'm coming to, also. I think dmb employs a lackluster pressing plant.

I'm not new to vinyl. I have a record washer. I wash all of my new stuff and I know that vinyl isn't perfect. It's just that every single dmb vinyl I get has an issue... usually small scratches or an insane (abnormal) amount of surface noise. It's always something. But it's like you said... cheaper plants.

There is a vast difference between dmb vinyl and, say, Pink Floyd or Led Zeppelin reissues. Or Pearl Jam's stuff. Whatever.

Come to find out, a lot of plants are using recycled vinyl for their pressings instead of virgin vinyl. You can certainly tell the difference of who is using what.

[BruceW]

Hmm that’s interesting then.

[MR_ESTEVEZ]

Always clean records with distilled water. No soap or solutions.

[BTBaboon]

Going to hijack this thread since it seems like OP's issues is super focused on DMBLive, and expand this to be about ALL DMB vinyl releases. I posted this as a reply in the Vinyl Thread in nDMBc, but figured this could be a good place for it, and I'm hoping for some help filling in the ?'s. Below is a list of all DMB vinyl releases, and their corresponding pressing count (or my guess in many cases). They are listed chronologically in order of their retail release, and linked to their discogs page.

If anyone has some good insight on actual pressing numbers where I have guessed (denoted with a '?'), let me know:

1. Too Much/Jimi Thing (Acoustic) 7" - 1,000?
2. Don't Drink the Water 12" - 50
3. Before these Crowded Streets - 5,000?
4. Space Between/I Did It 7" - 1,000?
5. Funny the Way it Is/#27 7" - 2,500?
6. Big Whiskey & The GrooGux King - 20,000?
7. Squirm/Lying in the Hands of God 7" - 2,000?
8. Mercy/Gaucho 7" - 2,500?
9. Away from the World - 20,000?
10. DMB Live Trax, Vol. 1 (Blue) - 500
11. DMB Live Trax, Vol. 1 (Black) - 1,000?
12. DMB Live Trax, Vol. 2 (Red) - 1,000
13. DMB Live Trax, Vol. 2 (Black) - 2,000?
14. DMB Live Trax, Vol. 3 (Green) - 1,000
15. DMB Live Trax, Vol. 3 (Black) - 2,000?
16. DMB Live Trax, Vol. 4 (Orange) - 2,000
17. DMB Live Trax, Vol. 4 (Black) - 2,000?
18. Recently 10" - 4,000
19. DMB Live Trax, Vol. 5 (Pink) - 2,000
20. DMB Live Trax, Vol. 5 (Black) - 2,000
21. Under the Table and Dreaming Mispress - ???
22. Under the Table and Dreaming - 20,000+
23. Crash (Splatter) - 5,000?
24. Crash (Black) - 20,000+
25. Live at Red Rocks (Silver) - 3,000
26. Live at Red Rocks (Black) - 5,000?
27. Live 25 - 2,500
28. Live at Luther College (Yellow) - 3,000
29. Live at Luther College (Black) - 5,000?
30. Come Tomorrow (Smoke) - 5,000?
31. Come Tomorrow (White) - 5,000?
32. Come Tomorrow (Black) - 10,000?
33. DMB Live Benaroya Hall - 5,000?
34. DMB Live The Academy - 5,000?
35. DMB Live Prism Coffee House (White) - 1,000
36. DMB Live Trax (White) - 1,000
37. Again and Again/She 7" - 2,000?
38. DMB Live Prism Coffee House (Black) - 5,000?
39. DMB Live Trax (Black) - 5,000?
40. Rhino's Choice - 5,000?
41. DMB Live First Union Center - 5,000?
42. Live at the Hollywood Bowl - 4,000

[Cptn. Monkeyman]

You forgot to add remember two things

[BTBaboon]

How could I forget R2T! Doh!

1. Too Much/Jimi Thing (Acoustic) 7" - 1,000?
2. Don't Drink the Water 12" - 50
3. Before these Crowded Streets - 5,000?
4. Space Between/I Did It 7" - 1,000?
5. Funny the Way it Is/#27 7" - 2,500?
6. Big Whiskey & The GrooGux King - 20,000?
7. Squirm/Lying in the Hands of God 7" - 2,000?
8. Mercy/Gaucho 7" - 2,500?
9. Away from the World - 20,000?
10. DMB Live Trax, Vol. 1 (Blue) - 500
11. DMB Live Trax, Vol. 1 (Black) - 1,000?
12. DMB Live Trax, Vol. 2 (Red) - 1,000
13. DMB Live Trax, Vol. 2 (Black) - 2,000?
14. DMB Live Trax, Vol. 3 (Green) - 1,000
15. DMB Live Trax, Vol. 3 (Black) - 2,000?
16. DMB Live Trax, Vol. 4 (Orange) - 2,000
17. DMB Live Trax, Vol. 4 (Black) - 2,000?
18. Remember Two Things - 15,000?
19. Recently 10" - 4,000
20. DMB Live Trax, Vol. 5 (Pink) - 2,000
21. DMB Live Trax, Vol. 5 (Black) - 2,000
22. Under the Table and Dreaming Mispress - ???
23. Under the Table and Dreaming - 20,000+
24. Crash (Splatter) - 5,000?
25. Crash (Black) - 20,000+
26. Live at Red Rocks (Silver) - 3,000
27. Live at Red Rocks (Black) - 5,000?
28. Live 25 - 2,500
29. Live at Luther College (Yellow) - 3,000
30. Live at Luther College (Black) - 5,000?
31. Come Tomorrow (Smoke) - 5,000?
32. Come Tomorrow (White) - 5,000?
33. Come Tomorrow (Black) - 10,000?
34. DMB Live Benaroya Hall - 5,000?
35. DMB Live The Academy - 5,000?
36. DMB Live Prism Coffee House (White) - 1,000
37. DMB Live Trax (White) - 1,000
38. Again and Again/She 7" - 2,000?
39. DMB Live Prism Coffee House (Black) - 5,000?
40. DMB Live Trax (Black) - 5,000?
41. Rhino's Choice - 5,000?
42. DMB Live First Union Center - 5,000?
43. Live at the Hollywood Bowl - 4,000

[Carson31]

Originally Posted by BTBaboon

How could I forget R2T! Doh!

1. Too Much/Jimi Thing (Acoustic) 7" - 1,000?

My guess is closer to 500 but that's just a guess.

2. Don't Drink the Water 12" - 50

I definitely believed there were only 50 at one point but I now know that there has to be more than that. Copies distributed in Germany included a reaction sheet that was sent to a specific number of people. The copies with the "?" press release were distributed in the UK, and there are supposedly only 50 of those. There were at least 20 of them with the German reaction sheet.

3. Before these Crowded Streets - 5,000?

A lot of them went undistributed and entire unopened cases still exist. It's rare but I'd guess that the hundreds of undistributed copies contribute heavily to it's perceived rarity. Somewhere in the 2500-5000 range seems reasonable.

4. Space Between/I Did It 7" - 1,000?

I think this was, and maybe still is available to order from certain distributors. I've never taken the time to research but I wouldn't be surprised if it's been pressed more than once.

5. Funny the Way it Is/#27 7" - 2,500?

6. Big Whiskey & The GrooGux King - 20,000?

7. Squirm/Lying in the Hands of God 7" - 2,000?
8. Mercy/Gaucho 7" - 2,500?
9. Away from the World - 20,000?
10. DMB Live Trax, Vol. 1 (Blue) - 500
11. DMB Live Trax, Vol. 1 (Black) - 1,000?

I don't know exactly how many there are but it's more than 1,000. There may even have been a 2nd run at some point. Months after release MusicToday shipped some copies (unknown how many, at least a few cases) that had a slightly different shrink wrap on them.

12. DMB Live Trax, Vol. 2 (Red) - 1,000
13. DMB Live Trax, Vol. 2 (Black) - 2,000?

There were a lot of issues with the black vinyl version of this. Lots of copies were distributed with the wrong 5 records (missing an LP but including 2 of another). Some of these copies contained the mutant 2 sided Sugar Will that is highly collectible.

14. DMB Live Trax, Vol. 3 (Green) - 1,000
15. DMB Live Trax, Vol. 3 (Black) - 2,000?
16. DMB Live Trax, Vol. 4 (Orange) - 2,000
17. DMB Live Trax, Vol. 4 (Black) - 2,000?

Don't know exactly how many copies there are but it seems to be quite a bit more rare than the orange version.

18. Remember Two Things - 15,000?
19. Recently 10" - 4,000

There are closer to 7,500 copies

20. DMB Live Trax, Vol. 5 (Pink) - 2,000
21. DMB Live Trax, Vol. 5 (Black) - 2,000

This one is also likely more limited than 2,000. It's possible that more copies exist and haven't been distributed but my guess is the run was closer to 1,000.

22. Under the Table and Dreaming Mispress - ???

It's at least a couple thousand.

23. Under the Table and Dreaming - 20,000+

Somewhere in the 18-19K range for numbered copies.

24. Crash (Splatter) - 5,000?

Based on how quickly it sold out and how rarely it pops up on ebay I think it almost has to be less than this.

25. Crash (Black) - 20,000+
26. Live at Red Rocks (Silver) - 3,000

I think this one is 3500, i've seen them numbered that high. It's definitely higher than what was announced by RSD.

27. Live at Red Rocks (Black) - 5,000?
28. Live 25 - 2,500.

We'll see. I have reason to believe we might see more of these at some point.

29. Live at Luther College (Yellow) - 3,000

Similar to Red Rocks, there are at least 3500.

30. Live at Luther College (Black) - 5,000?
31. Come Tomorrow (Smoke) - 5,000?
32. Come Tomorrow (White) - 5,000?
33. Come Tomorrow (Black) - 10,000?
34. DMB Live Benaroya Hall - 5,000?
35. DMB Live The Academy - 5,000?
36. DMB Live Prism Coffee House (White) - 1,000
37. DMB Live Trax (White) - 1,000
38. Again and Again/She 7" - 2,000?
39. DMB Live Prism Coffee House (Black) - 5,000?
40. DMB Live Trax (Black) - 5,000?
41. Rhino's Choice - 5,000?
42. DMB Live First Union Center - 5,000?
43. Live at the Hollywood Bowl - 4,000

5500

added a few notes & opinions. Unfortunately I don't think we'll ever get an official number on most of this stuff.

[haiku.warrior]

Originally Posted by BTBaboon

19. Recently 10" - 4,000

Bit late, but it is definitely more than this number. My copy is No. 5418.

Edit: Just upread, yeah, turns out this is already known. Woops.

[BTBaboon]

Updated list of DMB vinyl releases - I think I patched the remaining holes from the first list I made. The indie exclusive LT35 will be the 45th DMB vinyl release; with some wiggle room for odd variants (not including unofficial/bootleg like the Tiesto Mix of Space Between, or albums that featured members of DMB or DMB tracks - like World Cafe, ONXRT, Jurassic 5, etc).

1. Too Much/Jimi Thing (Acoustic) 7" - 500?
2. Don't Drink the Water 12" - 70
3. Before these Crowded Streets - 5,000?
4. Space Between/I Did It 7" - 1,000?
5. Funny the Way it Is/#27 7" - 2,500?
6. Big Whiskey & The GrooGux King - 20,000?
7. Squirm/Lying in the Hands of God 7" - 2,000?
8. Mercy/Gaucho 7" - 2,500?
9. Away from the World - 20,000?
10. DMB Live Trax, Vol. 1 (Blue) - 500
11. DMB Live Trax, Vol. 1 (Black) - 1,000?
12. DMB Live Trax, Vol. 2 (Red) - 1,000
13. DMB Live Trax, Vol. 2 (Black) - 2,000?
14. DMB Live Trax, Vol. 3 (Green) - 1,000
15. DMB Live Trax, Vol. 3 (Black) - 2,000?
16. DMB Live Trax, Vol. 4 (Orange) - 2,000
17. DMB Live Trax, Vol. 4 (Black) - 1,000?
18. Remember Two Things - 15,000+
19. Recently 10" - 7,500
20. DMB Live Trax, Vol. 5 (Pink) - 2,000
21. DMB Live Trax, Vol. 5 (Black) - 1,000?
22. Under the Table and Dreaming Mispress - ???
23. Under the Table and Dreaming - 20,000+
24. Crash (Splatter) - 3,000?
25. Crash (Black) - 20,000+
26. Live at Red Rocks (Silver) - 3,500
27. Live at Red Rocks (Black) - 5,000?
28. Live 25 - 2,500
29. Live at Luther College (Yellow) - 3,500
30. Live at Luther College (Black) - 5,000?
31. Come Tomorrow (Smoke) - 5,000?
32. Come Tomorrow (White) - 5,000?
33. Come Tomorrow (Black) - 10,000?
34. DMBLive Benaroya Hall - 5,000?
35. DMBLive The Academy - 5,000?
36. Europe 2009 - 2,000
37. DMBLive Prism Coffee House (White) - 1,000
38. DMBLive Trax (White) - 1,000
39. Again and Again/She 7" - 2,000?
40. DMBLive Prism Coffee House (Black) - 5,000?
41. DMBLive Trax (Black) - 5,000?
42. Rhino's Choice - 5,000?
43. DMBLive First Union Center - 5,000?
44. Live at the Hollywood Bowl - 5,500
45. DMB Live Trax, Vol. 35 (Teal) - 1,000

[BTCS_JTR]

Hollywood Bowl is going for $24 on Amazon

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07Z2ZYCS4...OzZ3gYzDvGkxKM

[BTBaboon]

Originally Posted by BTCS_JTR

Hollywood Bowl is going for $24 on Amazon

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07Z2ZYCS4...OzZ3gYzDvGkxKM

I got shit for saying it was going to be a flop of a release.

Well, well, well. How the turntables...

[OneSweetMonkey]

Originally Posted by BTCS_JTR

Hollywood Bowl is going for $24 on Amazon



https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07Z2ZYCS4...OzZ3gYzDvGkxKM

I grossly overpaid. BUT I got it from my local record shop right before they were forced to shut down for a while. So no regrets. Truth be told, I wouldn't have even bought it if it weren't for that.

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[YankeesDMB41]

Originally Posted by BTCS_JTR

Hollywood Bowl is going for $24 on Amazon

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07Z2ZYCS4...OzZ3gYzDvGkxKM

Just bought it. Thank you for posting this. My patience saved me 70 bucks on this

[Whiteyxc514]

Originally Posted by BTCS_JTR

Hollywood Bowl is going for $24 on Amazon

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07Z2ZYCS4...OzZ3gYzDvGkxKM

wow, thanks for the heads up. Just purchased. Does it come with download too?

[WidespreadMule3]

Originally Posted by BTCS_JTR

Hollywood Bowl is going for $24 on Amazon

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07Z2ZYCS4...OzZ3gYzDvGkxKM

Oof. That's a price I'm almost willing to pay. But it's $24 that I'd never listen to more than once.

[Gjimmy]

I was at the show so I pulled the trigger. 24 bucks for that vinyl is a good value. Was a fun show to be at the with the orchestra, but it was 2018 which wasn't a highlight year by any means. I missed 2019 due to no socal shows, and now 2020 is a bust. Sure hope 2021 goes as planned!

[Redford Stevens]

I received Red Rocks as a gift last month and the records are ‘warped.’ We ordered a replacement which was no different. I received some other vinyl from other artists as well, no issues. I guess the choice is try to flatten or just give up...