Does anyone else notice this?

[bcam59]

As the band has progressed through the years, it seems to me that they lose their "patience" with songs. Especially since Tim has joined the band, just about every song has sped up, some much faster than they previously were (grey street, last stop, pnp>rapunzel). Can you imagine if songs like crazy easy actually got liberated? They would probably race through it. Personally, although it was great hearing songs like last stop get brought back last year, no version tops those such as Chicago or the Central Park Bonus Disk. Im not sure if its the band trying to fit more songs into a show now, or if they feel like this is for the best. Thoughts?

[crashintonickdm]

theyre a hard rock band now.

[MarvinBerry]

Yeah it kind of sucks. What are you gonna do.

[Cryfreedom09]

Originally Posted by crashintonickdm

theyre a hard rock band now.

Rock band. Wouldn't go as far as hard rock.

[420th jimi]

I remember this very thing being discussed long before Tim was a member of the band. Back on nancies.org it was a topic of discussion. On here it has been, year after year. So I say no, I don't think they have lost their patience with songs and I don't feel like they are rushing things to fit more in, as you say. I think that over time songs are going to evolve and that evolution sometimes results in a song speeding up and sometimes it slows down. Just my opinion of course.

[TheStone91]

Originally Posted by bcam59

As the band has progressed through the years, it seems to me that they lose their "patience" with songs. Especially since Tim has joined the band, just about every song has sped up, some much faster than they previously were (grey street, last stop, pnp>rapunzel). Can you imagine if songs like crazy easy actually got liberated? They would probably race through it. Personally, although it was great hearing songs like last stop get brought back last year, no version tops those such as Chicago or the Central Park Bonus Disk. Im not sure if its the band trying to fit more songs into a show now, or if they feel like this is for the best. Thoughts?

That is the best version of Last Stop in my opinion...I actually love Butch on this version b/c of the keyboard sound effects in the outro...chills!

[TheStone91]

Originally Posted by bcam59

As the band has progressed through the years, it seems to me that they lose their "patience" with songs. Especially since Tim has joined the band, just about every song has sped up, some much faster than they previously were (grey street, last stop, pnp>rapunzel). Can you imagine if songs like crazy easy actually got liberated? They would probably race through it. Personally, although it was great hearing songs like last stop get brought back last year, no version tops those such as Chicago or the Central Park Bonus Disk. Im not sure if its the band trying to fit more songs into a show now, or if they feel like this is for the best. Thoughts?

I always thought this too. I feel it just wouldn't be as good if played fast and w/out Butch, but that's just my opinion.

[aicdmb]

Tim>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> butch

[TheStone91]

Originally Posted by aicdmb

Tim>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> butch

Talent-wise, I completely agree w/ you. But, for me, I liked DMB's sound a little more with foundational Butch (2000-2004). Don't get me wrong though, DMB is still currently my favorite band and I still listen to them constantly.

[Stewie]

The band with Butch > the band with Tim.

[aicdmb]

Just didn't like how it slowed things down to a halt. Butch actually made me not want to hear two step at a show.

[rickyh24]

Originally Posted by aicdmb

Just didn't like how it slowed things down to a halt. Butch actually made me not want to hear two step at a show.

This. Butch was good but he made some of their best songs boring at times. That doesn't happen now.

[TheStone91]

Originally Posted by aicdmb

Just didn't like how it slowed things down to a halt. Butch actually made me not want to hear two step at a show.

I just want to be able to hear Dave's guitar in a show/tapes/releases...that's one of the main things I like about DMB- Dave's unique acoustic guitar riffs. But, I agree with Two Step becoming too slow with Butch, in later years (2005-2007), I didn't like Butch then either. Central Park Two Step is so good w/ Butch though.

[Stewie]

Originally Posted by rickyh24

This. Butch was good but he made some of their best songs boring at times. That doesn't happen now.

But at what cost??

[rickyh24]

Originally Posted by Stewie

But at what cost??

A lot of the new material this band comes out with its only tolerable in live setting because of Tim. So it's not really at a cost at all.

[Stewie]

Originally Posted by rickyh24

A lot of the new material this band comes out with its only tolerable in live setting because of Tim. So it's not really at a cost at all.

Tim absolutely ruins the old stuff. And I find all the new stuff un-listenable anyway.

Why does he just pick up an acoustic guitar.

And Butch was so quite it was almost like he wasn't there.

[rickyh24]

I don't think he ruins anything. I can see how he might not be some people's thing though.

[DCAlbarran]

IMO the last few live releases have been ruined, for me at least, by shredding electric guitar that drowns out the acoustic sound. Lots of this on the Atlantic City release. Don't get me wrong, I love me some Tim Reynolds, but electric guitar on every song? Come on, man.

[crashintonickdm]

I'd sacrifice Tim for foundational butch

[Jan-Willem]

I think Proudest Monkey is the only song that has slowed down over the years. Everything else is sped up. It's a shame...

[bcam59]

I do agree that songs like Bartender and Two Step speeding up with Tim make them better and more fun at shows. It seems like as time has gone on Tim has gone from adding in small fills, such as at a D+T show, to completely playing Dave's riffs, and then much more as well. No wonder Dave hardly plays anymore.

[AJF_41]

tim overpowers all songs he's on.

i'd like it if he only guested on 3-5 songs a night.

[clive bixby]

Originally Posted by rickyh24

I don't think he ruins anything. I can see how he might not be some people's thing though.

im with you on this, but the people calling for butch back

[LadyMadonna68]

Originally Posted by crashintonickdm

I'd sacrifice Tim for foundational butch

Absolutely

[stoneje]

Foundational Butch has become an actual term around here

So now we're unhappy about the songs that suck, but also unhappy with the songs that we like because the pace of them is wrong? Just to be clear, are there any songs left that we're allowed to like?

This place is so awesome.

[LadyMadonna68]

Originally Posted by stoneje

Foundational Butch has become an actual term around here

So now we're unhappy about the songs that suck, but also unhappy with the songs that we like because the pace of them is wrong? Just to be clear, are there any songs left that we're allowed to like?

This place is so awesome.

We're allowed to like songs in the way that we first liked them in.

[sheldonlevene]

Everything is Tim's fault. Always.

[42graystreet]

I swear, every thread in DMBc eventually becomes Tim vs. Butch.

[LadyMadonna68]

It's not always Tim's fault, but in a situation like the LT13 Ants Marching, I really didn't like his input. The reason I like Ants Marching is because it has that bluegrassy/jam type feel to it, and Tim decided he'd overpower the whole thing.

[sheldonlevene]

Originally Posted by 42graystreet

I swear, every thread in DMBc eventually becomes Tim vs. Butch.

Of course. It's the only relevant topic outside of setlist discussion.