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Old 01-09-2012, 10:32 AM   #31
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Re: Does anyone else notice this?

For the most part this is true...

However songs like Billies, Proudest Monkey, & Satellite have been dramatically slowed down as well. Listen to RR95 vs. any modern day Billies and it will become apparent quickly.
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  • Old 01-09-2012, 10:37 AM   #32
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    Re: Does anyone else notice this?

    If anyone mentioned in 2007 that they would ever miss Butch if he left they would have gotten endlessly flamed for it.

    grass is always greener'd
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    Old 01-09-2012, 10:40 AM   #33
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    Re: Does anyone else notice this?

    Please, no Butch. Long live Tim's tenure in the band.

    Also: Tim's worst days > Butch's best days imo.
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    Old 01-09-2012, 10:46 AM   #34
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    If anyone mentioned in 2007 that they would ever miss Butch if he left they would have gotten endlessly flamed for it.

    grass is always greener'd
    No kidding. When tim joined for the 2008 tour it was like a godsend. He had saved the band. Unanimous praise. Now people want Butch back. You just can't please everyone.
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    Old 01-09-2012, 10:59 AM   #35
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    No kidding. When tim joined for the 2008 tour it was like a godsend. He had saved the band. Unanimous praise. Now people want Butch back. You just can't please anyone.
    Fixed that.
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    Old 01-09-2012, 12:17 PM   #36
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    It's not always Tim's fault, but in a situation like the LT13 Ants Marching, I really didn't like his input. The reason I like Ants Marching is because it has that bluegrassy/jam type feel to it, and Tim decided he'd overpower the whole thing.
    Tim decided he'd overpower? or the band decided they like how he plays on it?
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    Old 01-09-2012, 12:21 PM   #37
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    Old 01-09-2012, 12:32 PM   #38
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    For the most part this is true...

    However songs like Billies, Proudest Monkey, & Satellite have been dramatically slowed down as well. Listen to RR95 vs. any modern day Billies and it will become apparent quickly.

    I was just gonna say this. RR 95 has some up tempo recordings
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    Old 01-09-2012, 12:33 PM   #39
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    Tim decided he'd overpower? or the band decided they like how he plays on it?
    Doesn't matter.
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    Old 01-09-2012, 12:42 PM   #40
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    Re: Does anyone else notice this?

    A perfect example of this would be to listen to DDTW from 98-99, then listen to it from the past few years. Much slower back in the day. Fortunately, I think for that particular song, it works out for the better.
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    Old 01-09-2012, 12:57 PM   #41
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    For the most part this is true...

    However songs like Billies, Proudest Monkey, & Satellite have been dramatically slowed down as well. Listen to RR95 vs. any modern day Billies and it will become apparent quickly.
    Yea, especially Proudest Monkey. that is one song that I prefer 1995 style (RR 95, LT 5). Dave's guitar sounds different and I like the up-tempo version of this song.
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    Old 01-09-2012, 01:07 PM   #42
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    1% of the DMB fanbase disagrees with 99% of what they do.

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    Old 01-09-2012, 01:08 PM   #43
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    Definitely want to keep Tim but want him to use more acoustic guitar, and to be more subtle in his fills, and have only an occasional electric solo. At same time why not add back a keyboard player too.. a lot of songs could benefit. But same rule here applies: keep the keyboard involvement in songs to a subtle, minimal level. Don't have long extended keyboard solos. Get Dave back to his '95 style guitar..get him playing more.. emphasize Boyd, Jeff, Rashawn, and Carter more. Get rid of that Tim/Carter abomination that ended Two Steps of 2009-2010 and replace it with a more subtle Tim and a more CentralPark-like Carter ending where you can actually hear a rhythm to the drum patterns.
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    Old 01-09-2012, 01:08 PM   #44
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    As the band has progressed through the years, it seems to me that they lose their "patience" with songs. Especially since Tim has joined the band, just about every song has sped up, some much faster than they previously were (grey street, last stop, pnp>rapunzel). Can you imagine if songs like crazy easy actually got liberated? They would probably race through it. Personally, although it was great hearing songs like last stop get brought back last year, no version tops those such as Chicago or the Central Park Bonus Disk. Im not sure if its the band trying to fit more songs into a show now, or if they feel like this is for the best. Thoughts?
    9/10 times I prefer faster tempos, so I'm cool with it. I like DMB when they are more intense, louder, faster, harder.
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    Old 01-09-2012, 01:14 PM   #45
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    9/10 times I prefer faster tempos, so I'm cool with it. I like DMB when they are more intense, louder, faster, harder.
    no i like the more laid back, acoustic DMB style of the mid 90's to mid 00's. less of the intense rock and more of the jazz, bluegrass, folk, african style that typified the band's prime years (1995-2004). with Tim still included of course but a more controlled and more acoustic Tim.
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    Old 01-09-2012, 01:14 PM   #46
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    Re: Does anyone else notice this?

    Loved how they both sounded in 98, and Butch had a fantastic run with this band from then to 04. I'd really like to see both of them back on stage together and see what happens.
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    Old 01-09-2012, 01:18 PM   #47
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    no i like the more laid back, acoustic DMB style of the mid 90's to mid 00's. less of the intense rock and more of the jazz, bluegrass, folk, african style that typified the band's prime years (1995-2004). with Tim still included of course but a more controlled and more acoustic Tim.
    The tempos were crazy fast in the mid 90s. In a good way.
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    Old 01-09-2012, 02:02 PM   #48
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    Proudest monkey should just retire like butch. Sorry, never liked it. Never noticed of it sped up or slowed down, cause I never made it all the way thru the song
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    Old 01-09-2012, 07:34 PM   #49
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    I can't fucking believe people are missin butch and dissin Tim. Next y'all will be calling for another Ballard collaboration. No thank you.

    *crawls back underneath rock*
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    Old 01-09-2012, 07:44 PM   #50
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    theyre a hard rock band now.
    Do you even know what hard rock is?
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    Old 01-09-2012, 07:46 PM   #51
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    Do you even know what hard rock is?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_rock
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    Old 01-09-2012, 07:48 PM   #52
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    Do you even know what hard rock is?

    he was joking...

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    Of course. It's the only relevant topic outside of setlist discussion.
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    Old 01-09-2012, 07:51 PM   #53
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    Lillywhite + DMB = musical god.
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    Old 01-09-2012, 08:18 PM   #54
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    Another thread complaining about the new sound/pace of the band. The answer is still the same - Tim. Big surprise.
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    Old 01-09-2012, 08:31 PM   #55
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    dave&tim is annoying as fuck, and needs to stop quoting me.
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    Old 01-09-2012, 08:46 PM   #56
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    they suck so bad now
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    Old 01-09-2012, 08:48 PM   #57
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    Foundational Butch has become an actual term around here

    So now we're unhappy about the songs that suck, but also unhappy with the songs that we like because the pace of them is wrong? Just to be clear, are there any songs left that we're allowed to like?

    This place is so awesome.
    You dont agree that butch had 2 different styles from 1998-2007?
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    Old 01-09-2012, 09:12 PM   #58
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    You dont agree that butch had 2 different styles from 1998-2007?
    I think you're trying to justify using the name Foundational Butch, which has probably only ever happened a) here, and b) in a secret Mattel lesbian Barbie naming meeting.
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    If anyone mentioned in 2007 that they would ever miss Butch if he left they would have gotten endlessly flamed for it.

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    Please, no Butch. Long live Tim's tenure in the band.

    Also: Tim's worst days > Butch's best days imo.
    Absolutely. I'd much much rather have lead guitar than a foundation keyboard player (would like to hear a short tour with both tho).
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    Old 01-09-2012, 09:24 PM   #60
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    I think you're trying to justify using the name Foundational Butch, which has probably only ever happened a) here, and b) in a secret Mattel lesbian Barbie naming meeting.

    Hahaha love it!
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