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Old 11-13-2018, 05:42 AM   #31
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Re: SPINOFF: Come Tomorrow vs the leaked Batson Sessions

Id rather listen to Come Tomorrow.

Agree with people that there are aspects on BS that are better than Come Tomorrow (Drive Me Away, KTK, Red Glare) etc but they are not finished, and sound like an idea rather than a song to me.

Drive Me Away I thoroughly enjoy in particular- but it has a repetitive drum track throughout its entirety that keeps me from going back to listening to it really. Prob would if it was finished
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    Re: SPINOFF: Come Tomorrow vs the leaked Batson Sessions

    I need to listen to the "new" songs on tBS more. I've mostly gone back to the ones we'd already heard (KTK, Break For It etc...).
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    Old 11-13-2018, 05:45 AM   #33
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    Re: SPINOFF: Come Tomorrow vs the leaked Batson Sessions

    I think I'm going to just delete the little nothing songs off my phone and try to trim it down to a more album length collection. I think there's a thread on that, maybe I'll go check that out and see what albums people made out of it.
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    Old 11-13-2018, 05:48 AM   #34
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    Re: SPINOFF: Come Tomorrow vs the leaked Batson Sessions

    Its why I think its unfair to compare the two.

    I think Red Glare/ Shotgun/ Drive Me Away - finished- would be better than anything on CT. You can see the potential

    But as they are right now in a demo stage with repetitive loops, I don't prefer listening to that.
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    Old 11-13-2018, 05:59 AM   #35
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    Re: SPINOFF: Come Tomorrow vs the leaked Batson Sessions

    Yea, Shotgun on tBS is awful. Instant skip. Hadn't full versions of that song been played live by the time it was recorded for this?

    Break Free, KTK, Break For It, #27, Sister, Red Glare, Early Home and a a couple others I can't remember off the top of my head, even as is, are preferable to me than just about anything on CT other than Again and Again and maybe VITR.
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    Old 11-13-2018, 06:09 AM   #36
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    Re: SPINOFF: Come Tomorrow vs the leaked Batson Sessions

    CT easily. I enjoy tBS for the glimpse into the process. It's cool hearing the gestation of some songs that have been officially released or played live for years (even if infrequently). But the completeness of CT and Carter's drums, Fonz's bass...and the tunes are just better to me. Assuming that they listened to all of this stuff and more when deciding what would make the latest album, I think they picked the best stuff.

    There's obviously a handful of tunes from tBS that are excellent and would be great for a future official release, but as a whole I think CT is exponentially better. Part of what's cool about the discussion in the other thread is that while many of us would agree that there is the aforementioned handful of great tunes that we want to hear finished/complete versions of, we don't agree on what those tunes are.

    I wish the band would just record and release more of tunes. I'd rather buy completed tunes than listen to stuff this incomplete.
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    Re: SPINOFF: Come Tomorrow vs the leaked Batson Sessions

    Batson Sessions. I'm someone that thinks CT is pretty good, but I created a 12 song playlist of the Batson Sessions that I really like and thats not even including Shotgun or Break Free. I've also been hoping for some instrumental songs and I like at least a few on tBS.

    My CT list would be 8 max and thats stretching it a bit.
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    Old 11-13-2018, 07:34 AM   #38
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    Re: SPINOFF: Come Tomorrow vs the leaked Batson Sessions

    The only songs I go back to from tBS are Early Home, Sister, and #27. Drive Me Away has great potential, but the drum loop makes it hard for me to say it's on par with anything from Come Tomorrow. That's the honest fall back to tBS. Most of these songs are so bare bones (KTK and Break free without horns, MIDI Break For It, rough cut of Shotgun). I'm not knocking tBS. I'm so grateful that we get to hear this stuff. But to me, it's mostly novelty. Other than a few gems that is.

    (Also, a shout out to Red Glare and Bullets. Those are fun songs, but don't stack anywhere near the 2015 Cavallo songs in my opinion)
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    Old 11-14-2018, 08:44 PM   #39
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    Re: SPINOFF: Come Tomorrow vs the leaked Batson Sessions

    It's indicative of just how bad Come Tomorrow is (compared to the rest of DMB's studio releases) that I actually had to think about this. I'll go with Come Tomorrow.

    tBS have some good developments, that WOULD be good if they had Jeff and Rashawn, but there are some real turds on here. But, that's not entirely fair to tBS. They are demos, and nothing more than that. Still, a few of the demos have real potential. Again, if Jeff and Rashawn are involved. The fact that there is essentially zero horn playing on tBS seals their fate.

    Come Tomorrow is largely crappy, but it's at least polished. The album has two songs that I think are good- Black and Blue Bird and Virginia in the Rain. Other songs have moments (Can't Stop, Do You Remember, She, Here on Out, bbadfabsdzbxasdcasdfasdfa), but there are only really two decent songs on the album. And the fact that there is ONE DAMN HORN SOLO ON THE ENTIRE RECORD really holds it back.

    I think Come Tomorrow is a poor DMB album, better than only Stand Up. And barely better than Stand Up. But still better than a rough bunch of demos that have basically no horn involvement. But some of those demos are, to be fair, more than promising.
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    Old 11-14-2018, 08:47 PM   #40
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    Re: SPINOFF: Come Tomorrow vs the leaked Batson Sessions

    Come Tomorrow feels much much more complete obviously, so that's the primary factor. A lot of the tracks on the batson sessions just feel empty and like they aren't going anywhere. I prefer IOY and Come On Come On on Come Tomorrow but I do like the eastern section of Can't Stop on The Batson Sessions (but that's the only part). Kill The King, a shortened ABC, Scream Into the Grave, Early Home, maybe 27, and maybe even Drive Me Away could've been cool on CT, but the only songs I would even consider replacing those with are TGIY, She, CT, and DYR.

    Also - why is Drive Me Away so hyped up? Sounds much like everything else on Stand Up that people dislike about the album.... the drum machine / loop, layered vocals that sound scratchy, etc.
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    Old 11-14-2018, 08:48 PM   #41
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    I really dislike Come On (Come On). Here's hoping it's never played again
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    the Batson Session cheerleaders can’t admit that they were a flop... barely registering a week-long sustained interest on a die hard DMB fan site. they are butt-sore Come Tomorrow haters who have bizarrely made it their identity on here to bash the album incessantly despite an overwhelming fan approval and enjoyment of it.

    nuclear-grade contrarianism at its most pathetic.
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    Sounds like projecting to me.
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    Old 11-15-2018, 06:24 AM   #44
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    really? how so
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    Old 11-15-2018, 06:42 AM   #45
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    I haven’t listened to CT since these sessions were leaked. An early version of ABC alone is better than CT.
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    Old 11-15-2018, 07:12 AM   #46
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    I haven’t listened to CT since these sessions were leaked. An early version of ABC alone is better than CT.
    SUPER HARD CORE.
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    Old 11-15-2018, 09:10 AM   #47
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    super hard core.
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    Old 11-15-2018, 01:21 PM   #48
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    I prefer the guitar work on the Batson sessions to Come Tomorrow so I have been enjoying those more, even as rough cuts and ideas.
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    CT is far better but I still just don't know why anyone would compare the two, both are enjoyable for different reasons
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    the Batson Session cheerleaders can’t admit that they were a flop... barely registering a week-long sustained interest on a die hard DMB fan site. they are butt-sore Come Tomorrow haters who have bizarrely made it their identity on here to bash the album incessantly despite an overwhelming fan approval and enjoyment of it.

    nuclear-grade contrarianism at its most pathetic.
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    Re: SPINOFF: Come Tomorrow vs the leaked Batson Sessions

    I don't know about these butt-sore, super hard core in caps comments, if you guys like CT, great. I personally don't. I think its' an overproduced underwhelming album that I don't choose to listen to. Nothing contrary about it, just my opinion. I really enjoy the rawness of the Batson Sessions in the same vein that I love Metallica's $5.98 E.P.: Garage Days Re-Revisited. My favorite EP of all time.
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    the Batson Session cheerleaders can’t admit that they were a flop... barely registering a week-long sustained interest on a die hard DMB fan site. they are butt-sore Come Tomorrow haters who have bizarrely made it their identity on here to bash the album incessantly despite an overwhelming fan approval and enjoyment of it.

    nuclear-grade contrarianism at its most pathetic.
    Also, this is entertaining given the poll results. Cheers.
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    I don't know about these butt-sore, super hard core in caps comments, if you guys like CT, great. I personally don't. I think its' an overproduced underwhelming album that I don't choose to listen to. Nothing contrary about it, just my opinion. I really enjoy the rawness of the Batson Sessions in the same vein that I love Metallica's $5.98 E.P.: Garage Days Re-Revisited. My favorite EP of all time.

    ^This. Well said, and I agree 100% with your opinions on the albums.

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    Re: SPINOFF: Come Tomorrow vs the leaked Batson Sessions

    If songs like Celebrate, Red Glare and Bullets and Rum were on Stand Up, the same people voting "Batson Sessions" would call them bottom ten DMB songs. They reak of Batson influence (drum kit and all), sound nothing like DMB, and have terrible lyrics....yet they're "gems" when they get leaked 12 years later. That's probably why Coldblueice wrote what he wrote.
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    Re: SPINOFF: Come Tomorrow vs the leaked Batson Sessions

    Also: Here on Out, VITR, Again and Again, Black and Blue Bird, and Samurai Cop are really really good studio tracks....so IMO a bunch of leaked half assed ideas can't come close to topping really really good studio tracks.
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    Also, this is entertaining given the poll results. Cheers.
    if the hundred or so people still on ants.org in 2018 that voted in the poll accurately represented DMB fans as a whole, you might have a point.

    alas....... this is the last remaining pocket on the intertubes of the super-hard-core-die-hardiest fans on the planet and it still split basically 50/50? not sure what more evidence you need that the Batson sessions are crap, and that's why they never saw the light of day.

    Come Tomorrow debuted #1, btw.
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    If songs like Celebrate, Red Glare and Bullets and Rum were on Stand Up, the same people voting "Batson Sessions" would call them bottom ten DMB songs. They reak of Batson influence (drum kit and all), sound nothing like DMB, and have terrible lyrics....yet they're "gems" when they get leaked 12 years later. That's probably why Coldblueice wrote what he wrote.
    couldn't have put it better myself...
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    if the hundred or so people still on ants.org in 2018 that voted in the poll accurately represented DMB fans as a whole, you might have a point.

    alas....... this is the last remaining pocket on the intertubes of the super-hard-core-die-hardiest fans on the planet and it still split basically 50/50? not sure what more evidence you need that the Batson sessions are crap, and that's why they never saw the light of day.

    Come Tomorrow debuted #1, btw.
    By that logic tLWS are crap. Got it.
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    Re: SPINOFF: Come Tomorrow vs the leaked Batson Sessions

    If Samurai Cop/ Here on Out/ Again and Again/ VITR didn't make an album and were leaked 12 years later in 2018- people would be obsessed with them too

    Of course I don't have a basis and that's purely hypothetical, but im under the assumption that would be the case.
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    By that logic tLWS are crap. Got it.
    not a chance. i have many casual DMB fan friends who've never visited an internet fan site like this in their life who know and love tLWS. that album is widely known in popular culture because of how good it is.

    in contrast, virtually no one has heard of the Batson Sessions because they suck and therefore never gained traction.

    tLWS was widely reported on in the press. go ahead and do a google news search of "dave matthews band batson session". i'll wait.

    next?
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