Best Studio Captain

[SmoothRider[PL]]

Originally Posted by TheLastStop123

This could be one of the most absurd things I've ever read on Ants. The BS version of Captain is one of DMB's biggest fails in the studio ever. It is a shell of what it was on tLWS. Captain from the Sessions is one of the most haunting pieces of music this band ever accomplished in the studio.

This.

[crush0617]

probably one of the most predicable polls... I enjoy both version but, if I had to pick one it would LWS

[kingchrisII]

BS Captain.

[rantingthespian]

Originally Posted by jBURCH

adding to that...

everybody around here now seems to be a smartass trying to make people look stupid and what not. i think we should all just post with happiness and real thought. unless somebody posts something off the wall stupid. and if they do i think we should ream their ass

I'd just like to say, any smartass remarks I ever make are just jokes (there is no guess whether or not I am pissed when I make a post). I am a smartass, but I never mean what I say, so you should never take those posts seriously.

Also, I am a very random off the wall type of guy. That's who I am . . . and my friends love that about me . . . or at least tollerate it . And there was my smart ass comment, but it was just a joke.

So, when you read my posts, please keep that in mind.

[dancheatham]

Originally Posted by bloodybob

Could you give an example?

Busted Stuff:
But I don’t want your pity, only the promise that you’ll stay with me tonight

vs. Lillywhite:
I don't want your pity, just the promise that I'll be alright


Busted Stuff:
Oh our love - how you do me
Oh my love - come now lets go again
Oh our love - everything
Oh won’t you play with me again we got all night

vs. Lillywhite:
Oh, I know I'm a dreamer, still
Think its strange, I won't be long for here, oh
But I know that I feel, wait and go again
Again


Busted Stuff:
Oh how could I even try to fight after falling into your arms?
Oh mesmerized by your smile the way it lights up under your eyes
Oh how could I even try love won’t you stay with me?

vs. Lillywhite:
Why should I be hypnotized by the promise of a long life
Why should I hold hope in tiny, tiny dribbles that glide by
Why should I lean everything upon

[ctk11]

this is ridiculous, turtles should be running away with this poll

[map41]

LWS easily.

[jaymas9]

Originally Posted by bloodybob

I don't know why people act like the LS version is SOOOO much better. They're pretty much the same. Some lyrical changes, but none that totally basterized the song.

Honestly to sum up most people's thoughts. It is the bridge. It was butchered sped up, changed in the worst ways. The bridge on tLWS might be the band's most wonderful minute of music. And I'm not exaggerating. What happened to it on Busted Stuff was just kind of ridiculous. Plus the song did change lyrically, from something more interesting to something less interesting frankly. It changed the whole tone of the song, which led to the butchering of the bridge. And it was also fairly obvious, like any of tLWS tunes. Captain was nowhere close to finished. There was certainly going to be more intricacies, there always are with a pre-Everyday studio dmb project. And I'm sure that finished Captain would rank up there with the band's best studio cuts. Hell the unfinished one probably does.

[vaxarado]

Lillywhite Sessions and just like the poll shows, its not even close.

[ComeNFrmTheCold]

I feel bad for people who didn't vote tLWS. They must not understand what good music sounds like.

[swilson160]

Originally Posted by ComeNFrmTheCold

I feel bad for people who didn't vote tLWS. They must not understand what good music sounds like.

I love the drama queens here.

We're all on the same forum because we love the same band. Obviously, we all have SOMETHING in common in our musical tastes. But say you prefer one version of a Dave song over another version and it becomes a litmus test for whether you understand what good music sounds like (whatever that means).

I prefer BS as I said in my original post, and while I agree that the lyrics on LS are better, lyrics are not usually my primary consideration when deciding whether I like a song or not. Sometimes, they are--it depends on the song. I prefer the faster pace and "fuller" feel of the BS version, even if the lyrics are inferior and the badass Boyd solo on the bridge disappeared. I like the LS version, too, just not quite as much.

Thanks, DQ.

[DMBcubs3641]

are you kidding?

[MistreatedLewis]

Originally Posted by swilson160

I love the drama queens here.

We're all on the same forum because we love the same band. Obviously, we all have SOMETHING in common in our musical tastes. But say you prefer one version of a Dave song over another version and it becomes a litmus test for whether you understand what good music sounds like (whatever that means).

I prefer BS as I said in my original post, and while I agree that the lyrics on LS are better, lyrics are not usually my primary consideration when deciding whether I like a song or not. Sometimes, they are--it depends on the song. I prefer the faster pace and "fuller" feel of the BS version, even if the lyrics are inferior and the badass Boyd solo on the bridge disappeared. I like the LS version, too, just not quite as much.

Thanks, DQ.

I think there might be a number ofpeople who first got into the band through Stand Up that don't have very much in common with me, musical taste wise.

[ComeNFrmTheCold]

Originally Posted by swilson160

I love the drama queens here.

We're all on the same forum because we love the same band. Obviously, we all have SOMETHING in common in our musical tastes. But say you prefer one version of a Dave song over another version and it becomes a litmus test for whether you understand what good music sounds like (whatever that means).

I prefer BS as I said in my original post, and while I agree that the lyrics on LS are better, lyrics are not usually my primary consideration when deciding whether I like a song or not. Sometimes, they are--it depends on the song. I prefer the faster pace and "fuller" feel of the BS version, even if the lyrics are inferior and the badass Boyd solo on the bridge disappeared. I like the LS version, too, just not quite as much.

Thanks, DQ.

. You're just wrong IMO. I'd argue that tLWS Captain is easily in the band's top 3 best studio works. The BS version is a lifeless pathetic shell.

And no, since I am on a DMB website it does not mean we automatically have similar musical tastes. I don't even really follow this band anymore. Simply still here because I enjoy the discussion and personalities in nDMBc. Wander over here every once and awhile to see how skewed the new fanbase views things. Luckily, it turns out everybody knows whats up in regards to this topic except for you and 7 others. Now its your turn to tell me that an opinion cant be wrong.

EDIT: all im saying here is how I seriously cannot see how anybody can argue BS is better. At all. One of the few topics when it comes to DMB that is clearly black and white. If you cannot understand the how much more raw emotion is in tLWS, and how that really transcends the feel and purpose of the song, then I just feel bad for you.

[rick8285]

easiest poll ever for me

Captain LWS is a top 5 studio track for me

others: Proudest, Dreaming Tree, Shake Me

[rick8285]

Originally Posted by bloodybob

I don't know why people act like the LS version is SOOOO much better. They're pretty much the same. Some lyrical changes, but none that totally basterized the song.

Originally Posted by TheLastStop123

This could be one of the most absurd things I've ever read on Ants. The BS version of Captain is one of DMB's biggest fails in the studio ever. It is a shell of what it was on tLWS. Captain from the Sessions is one of the most haunting pieces of music this band ever accomplished in the studio.

not only is TheLastStop correct that LWS is way better...

But bloodybob-- You don't hear a difference between these versions? That's just craaaaaaazy.



EDIT: and what does basterized mean?

[bluesbrother41]

this poll is going to look like a colorful middle finger

[rantingthespian]

Originally Posted by ComeNFrmTheCold

. You're just wrong IMO. I'd argue that tLWS Captain is easily in the band's top 3 best studio works. The BS version is a lifeless pathetic shell.

And no, since I am on a DMB website it does not mean we automatically have similar musical tastes. I don't even really follow this band anymore. Simply still here because I enjoy the discussion and personalities in nDMBc. Wander over here every once and awhile to see how skewed the new fanbase views things. Luckily, it turns out everybody knows whats up in regards to this topic except for you and 7 others. Now its your turn to tell me that an opinion cant be wrong.

EDIT: all im saying here is how I seriously cannot see how anybody can argue BS is better. At all. One of the few topics when it comes to DMB that is clearly black and white. If you cannot understand the how much more raw emotion is in tLWS, and how that really transcends the feel and purpose of the song, then I just feel bad for you.

Ok, I gotta say something now. I have been a fan since 1994, and I have problems with the LWS version of Captain. I do enjoy the BS version more, and one big reason is the lyrics.

Here are my problems with the LWS version of Captain:

- I really don't like that how slow it became from how the earlier Crazys were. I prefer the more rhythmic percussive sounding version of Crazy, which is more signature to Dave's style than that slow strummed version of Captain

- I think it's musical atmosphere (like other LWS songs) is way too open, and feels empty in areas. However, this could all just be because it was never a mastered version.

- Then the lyrics are a problem. I really do not like the lyrics because of how completely depressing and almost how whining it is. The album was already full of just dark depressing "I want to kill myself" feeling songs, and Captain is the one that I felt shouldn't have been lumped into them. Then, the main recurring line, "Cause I am the captain of this ship, wanting eyes and kissing lips," doesn't seem to really fit with the rest of the song. There is almost no more feeling of Love or Hope which those repeating lines imply. These lyrics also just don't reach me unlike the other dark songs on there (BEF, Grace Is Gone, Grey Street). It's more just complaining about the situation (in my interpritation). I think Dave made a mistake in not taking the lyrical ideas from his improvised Crazy's (which were more about overcoming things and exploring, instead of just everything is fucked so let me die).

Now, I agree that the Busted Stuff version is not the best recording of the song. However, I really prefer the guitar progression on the song, since it went back to how it was played as Crazy, which was more percussive, and not so slow and lagging. Also, yes it's just about love and sex now, but at least I can smile after listening to it.


I have always felt this way about Captain since I first heard it in 2001. I am not from some new fanbase like you said. I have been a fan since 1994 with UTTAD. My favorites are the Dreaming Tree, Pig, Spoon, Warehouse, #34, Lie In Our Graves, Say Goodbye, and JTR.

I think you are the one with the problem if you can accept that someone can dislike something that you like. Not everyone can agree, and there is no absolute black and white situation. There is always going to be some grey area. Now I respect your opinion on Captain, but if you can't accept that people can disagree with you . . . then I feel sad for you.

[swilson160]

Originally Posted by ComeNFrmTheCold

. You're just wrong IMO. I'd argue that tLWS Captain is easily in the band's top 3 best studio works. The BS version is a lifeless pathetic shell.

And no, since I am on a DMB website it does not mean we automatically have similar musical tastes. I don't even really follow this band anymore. Simply still here because I enjoy the discussion and personalities in nDMBc. Wander over here every once and awhile to see how skewed the new fanbase views things. Luckily, it turns out everybody knows whats up in regards to this topic except for you and 7 others. Now its your turn to tell me that an opinion cant be wrong.

EDIT: all im saying here is how I seriously cannot see how anybody can argue BS is better. At all. One of the few topics when it comes to DMB that is clearly black and white. If you cannot understand the how much more raw emotion is in tLWS, and how that really transcends the feel and purpose of the song, then I just feel bad for you.

First off, been a DMB fan for 13 years, so you and your "skewed new fanbase" can fuck off.

Second, I hope the moral superiority you feel over me because of my terrible musical taste helps you sleep at night.

Third, thank you for enlightening me--you're right, my feeble little mind isn't capable of comprehending the raw emotion in LS Captain, but you have shown me the way. You're like a sherpa...a hateful, ego-inflated sherpa.

Fourth, I hate you and everything you stand for. Don't make me trick your parents into getting shot by the old rancher down the road, then cook them into chili and feed it to you, then invite Steve Lillywhite so when you cry over the loss of your parents, he can laugh at you and call you a crybaby. Who you tryin' to get crazy with, ese? Don't you know I'm loco?

EDIT: rantingthespian handled the measured, reasonable response on this one so I thought I'd throw in the traditional Ants craaaaazy overreaction response. Gotta respect tradition.

[#41Tom]

Just appreciated the bassline from Captain for the first time. How did I not hear that before???!!!!!!! Excellent work Mr Fonz.

[bowa36]

Busted Stuff for me

[chadizzy1]

Any vote other than Lillywhite Sessions is bigly wrong.

[bowa36]

Originally Posted by chadizzy1

Any vote other than Lillywhite Sessions is bigly wrong.

LWS Captain lacks a certain sway to the song that I feel is essential

Carter's work is superb on the BS version, surpasses LWS imo

Of course, the definitive Captain will always be the WH disc one...

[ExistenceNow]

BS Captain is garbage.

[snow1868]

Originally Posted by ExistenceNow

BS Captain is garbage.

And the producer who released it is garbage!

[bowa36]

Also, the electric guitar on BS Captain fits nicely

[RSSR]

Captain is the singular song that bests represents DMB's flirtation with immortality as a band at the time of tLWS to what they are now, a band with major flaws. If you were to have a partial outside observer listen to the two and allow him/her draw conclusions from that.

[bowa36]

Originally Posted by RSSR

Captain is the singular song that bests represents DMB's flirtation with immortality as a band at the time of tLWS to what they are now, a band with major flaws. If you were to have a partial outside observer listen to the two and allow him/her draw conclusions from that.

No, it is not

[ExistenceNow]

Originally Posted by RSSR

Captain is the singular song that bests represents DMB's flirtation with immortality as a band at the time of tLWS to what they are now, a band with major flaws. If you were to have a partial outside observer listen to the two and allow him/her draw conclusions from that.

I've never really thought about it like that, but damn that is absolutely spot on.

[bowa36]

The song just changed, I have never associated it with something like that