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Old 05-18-2018, 06:16 AM   #31
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    That's not what makes it sexual assault though...that's not about power, despite many powerful committing various acts of sexual assault on subordinates.

    Unfortunately, there are people that willingly enter into relationships with superiors with the intent of leveraging that relationship into some sort of benefit. Further, they can (and some have) claimed being a victim when their plans failed. Arguably that might be an aspect of the leverage, e.g.: I do this and I get A, B, and C OR I tell people you forced me, and I get A, B, C, and more. Hell, sometimes it shared affection and sometimes that goes bad and people want something in return.

    Sadly, this remains a possibility as it relates to this case. Although historically less likely than Boyd being the aggressor/harasser/assaulter, it is still potentiality. Barring a risky settlement, we will likely hear more details that will reveal some version of the real truth regardless of direction. In the end, Boyd's pretty much done from a career perspective given the recent shift in societal views...not something from which he's likely to recover even if he were exonerated.

    It is, however, unfair to instantly assume these allegations are true. Just as unfair as if we were to dismiss them off-hand. An accusation has been made and there is a process set in motion that will determine the accuracy. Hopefully the outcome of said process is in fact accurate and just.
    Based on what we've seen so far from the victim it was 100% a quid pro quo sexual harassment/assault situation. So, yes, power and superiority/subordination plays a huge part in this equation.

    And sure, it's possible that the guy is making it up for leverage in the same sense that it's possible the fucking sun will explode tomorrow and all our meaningless lives will come to an end in an instant. But based on what we've seen through some pretty damning evidence, the totality of the circumstances would suggest that Boyd is as guilty as the day is long. As a rational and neutral observer I will of course wait until everything comes out before forming my own surefire judgment but it's not looking good for Boyd at the moment, at all.
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    The entire point of the “though” sentence is to say “we don’t even think about this guy anymore since he isn’t in the band, but now that you brought it up, those things he did sucks.”

    It’s meant to add more distance between Boyd and the band, not less.
    Yea, I could see that way too.


    Any chance this whole thing affects them releasing older Live Trax? Shows with Butch or Roi aren't a problem to release because they didn't leave the band on such a note as Boyd.

    "Hey buy this new Live Trax! It has a sweet solo on LIOG by disgraced previous band member Boyd Tinsley!"

    I hope not, theres still lots of great music that should be released.
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    Listen to all of these tapes from all those great years

    Is it tarnished?
    I can separate the music from the person, so I’ll still enjoy recordings of Boyd solos. It’ll be weird though.
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    Based on what we've seen so far from the victim it was 100% a quid pro quo sexual harassment/assault situation. So, yes, power and superiority/subordination plays a huge part in this equation.

    And sure, it's possible that the guy is making it up for leverage in the same sense that it's possible the fucking sun will explode tomorrow and all our meaningless lives will come to an end in an instant. But based on what we've seen through some pretty damning evidence, the totality of the circumstances would suggest that Boyd is as guilty as the day is long. As a rational and neutral observer I will of course wait until everything comes out before forming my own surefire judgment but it's not looking good for Boyd at the moment, at all.
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    It is literally sexual assault. People stop acting like there were no laws broken. He assaulted dude by touching in his sleep. He demanded sexual favors as a superior.
    I mean.. innocent til proven guilty is still a thing.

    Im not saying I dont believe the story, but thats all he was saying.
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    Apologies you're right at the letter of the definition, but it is not rape being a very specific type of sexual assault and the most egregious variant.

    But we also can't act like these allegations are undoubtedly true. There is the evidence of lurid and creepy behavior based on the texts, but the claims made are just that at this point. We don't actually know if any laws were broken at this time, just accusations made against Boyd claiming assault.

    It is sad either way (meaning whether it is true or whether they are proven false). Nothing good comes of this. Even those tangentially "involved" will suffer...again regardless of how everything plays out.
    Sure, they are allegations, but if there's a stench of shit in the air, there's probably some on the ground somewhere close. Don't get it on your shoes.
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    Listen to all of these tapes from all those great years

    Is it tarnished?
    No. This type of behavior has been going on forever.

    Am I disappointed? Absolutely.
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    Why is this a thread?
    There is nothing that screams "I've never been laid" more than complaining, albeit twice, about a topic being a new thread. It's a new topic, considering they kicked him out of the band. Does it really bother you that much, or is it as close as you'll get to your dream job of being a mod on antsmarching.org?

    There are not a lot of topics/threads on this board anymore, and quite honestly, the extreme consolidation of topics that are at best loosely connected I think takes away from this board a ton.

    Man I'm on edge today.. for obvious reasons haha.
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    There is nothing that screams "I've never been laid" more than complaining, albeit twice, about a topic being a new thread. It's a new topic, considering they kicked him out of the band. Does it really bother you that much, or is it as close as you'll get to your dream job of being a mod on antsmarching.org?

    There are not a lot of topics/threads on this board anymore, and quite honestly, the extreme consolidation of topics that are at best loosely connected I think takes away from this board a ton.

    Man I'm on edge today.. for obvious reasons haha.
    Holy shit calm the fuck down and don't talk to my friend Leenumbers like that, Jesus fucking Christ.
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    Sure, they are allegations, but if there's a stench of shit in the air, there's probably some on the ground somewhere close. Don't get it on your shoes.
    Laws don't have to be broken for the band to determine that his behavior was wholly inappropriate and damaging to the DMB brand.
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    how many rock stars do you think could be accused of sexual misconduct/assault? probably a lot. not saying that makes it right, just saying i wouldn't be surprised if there is someone else in this same band that could easily be accused/charged of that. i would argue it's very often a grey area.
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    I think it's hard to believe the rest of the band didn't know, especially when Boyd's first suggestion for the name of the new album was "Cum Tomorrow."
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    No. This type of behavior has been going on forever.

    Am I disappointed? Absolutely.
    This. Obviously this sucks - but doesn't really tarnish too much for me, just hoping 4.0 works and we still have good years ahead of us.

    The Usual Suspects and American Beauty are still two of the best movies I've seen. Rain Man is still a classic. Charlie Rose was still very good at his job. Louis CK is still funny. James Franco, T.J Miller, Ben Affleck, Aziz - the list goes on and on.

    I'm glad that they cut ties with him and it sucks, but not going to tarnish anything for me.
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    I mean, most of us saw this coming a while ago right? I know the Mods shutdown talk about it back then (rightfully so) because it was just rumor, but sadly, those rumors tend to become real accusations most of the time in today's world.

    Very sad news and state of affairs for everyone involved from the Band members to the fans.
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    I think it's hard to believe the rest of the band didn't know, especially when Boyd's first suggestion for the name of the new album was "Cum Tomorrow."
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    Based on what we've seen so far from the victim it was 100% a quid pro quo sexual harassment/assault situation. So, yes, power and superiority/subordination plays a huge part in this equation.

    And sure, it's possible that the guy is making it up for leverage in the same sense that it's possible the fucking sun will explode tomorrow and all our meaningless lives will come to an end in an instant. But based on what we've seen through some pretty damning evidence, the totality of the circumstances would suggest that Boyd is as guilty as the day is long. As a rational and neutral observer I will of course wait until everything comes out before forming my own surefire judgment but it's not looking good for Boyd at the moment, at all.
    Yes, in this particular equation, but as a rule one can be sexually harassed or assaulted without a power and employment dynamic...which was the only point I was clarifying. What makes this sexual assault is, per DoJ:

    "The term “sexual assault” means any nonconsensual sexual act proscribed by Federal, tribal, or State law, including when the victim lacks capacity to consent."

    In this case the victim claims to have been sleeping and therefore Boyd's alleged actions of assault were committed during a sexual act.

    I find it sad in all of these cases that many victims didn't severe all ties and associations immediately. This doesn't make it their fault or justify the atrocious behavior of the harassers or assaulters. Unfortunately, some people have put the notion of maintaining and potentially furthering a career ahead of extracting themselves from horrible situations with horrible people.

    Thankfully we have moved into an era where we have empowered victims, but it's so weird that it's happening with the current power structure and players in the highest levels of government. Sorry, I digress.

    I have a sad hope that Boyd is guilty. Not that I want him to have committed the crimes, but better that than someone trying to play his alleged previous actions against him for monetary gain. I also think that the suit might have more potency were it not weighed down by such a large claim for damages. Can he prove a $9 million loss? Is that a reasonable for compensation and pain and suffering? Is this inclusive of a punitive damage claim...can those even be a part of the original suit?

    I definitely support some sort of financial compensation from Boyd if he's guilty. But what's realistic or "fair" here? The plaintiff has tried to make it in the music business, a huge gamble with no guarantees of any level of success, so it's not like he can realistically claim that he lost huge amounts of money on touring revenues or those from the sales of music.

    I'm out in regards to this discussion though. I hope that justice is served and any wrong-doers are appropriately punished for their crimes. I hate that something like this is associated in any way with something that means so much to me. Unfortunately, it is not the first time and likely won't be the last.
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    I hope the tour is good but who knows what to expect. This year will be my 18th seeing them. Maybe they went in the studio to edit Boyd’s parts out because it seems early before we all knew this they distanced themselves from him as far as photos and such. At this point I go to see them out of habit, maybe all this puts a spark into them. They’re not as good as they once were. They have introduced me to many other band, widespread panic, govt mule, phish, dead, At the end of the day, I enjoy the shows and seeing dmb but I think the people that I catch up with year after year has a lot to do with it and now it’s about the experience not really the shows unless I go to Gorge or Spac.
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    It’s very easy for me to see how the band never know about this boy and the crap Boyd was doing with him.

    People get good at hiding things and after shows and on his own time, after 25 years it’s not like they kept tabs on him.

    They may have had their speculations he was gay or Bi or whatever but I think zero direct knowledge anything improper was going on.
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    Why is this a thread?
    Because it's the biggest scandal to hit the band in 25 years?
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    It is going to be really hard to jam out to a rockin LIOG solo anytime soon. Tarnished is a great word to describe the affect this news will have on their music. It is just sad really. When the band gets into the HOF, there will be 2 of the 5 original members not on stage. Tarnished...yes! I am not sure if it will stop at that the more this digests.
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    So what did the band know exactly and when did they know it? Glad they did the right thing but the optics of this make them look terrible. If they didn’t know about this, then what exactly was Dave talking about in his interview?
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    Fuck, I'm never gonna get to hear 04 SPAC released now ...
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    If anyone feels that their vinyl copies of Live Trax vol 1-4 are tarnished, hit me up.
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    This shit is cracking me up!
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