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Old 07-11-2017, 02:12 PM   #391
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yep.

There should have been a CD package.

Having a limited vinyl release is fine, not having the stuff available to people who dont listen to vinyl is not.
It's not like there's a shortage of live material on CD.

The are 42 Live Trax. Having something exclusive to vinyl is fine.
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    It's not like there's a shortage of live material on CD.

    The are 42 Live Trax. Having something exclusive to vinyl is fine.
    Why not make it one of those 42 shows then? Not something youre marketing as a celebration box set of the band's 25th anniversary.

    This release is totally different than any other release. Hard core fans want it because it includes rare gems. You shouldnt limit something special like that to 2500 vinyl pressings.
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    Old 07-11-2017, 02:14 PM   #393
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    Oh, Hilly's back to be wrong about everything once again? Good.
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    Amen. As a vinyl geek and uber nerd-fan, I'm stoked for this. I understand people who want this digitally, but I assume eventually it will be. It's nice that they've catered a few releases recently to audiophiles like us. From Crash 20th anniversary being all analog, to MSG LT 40 Bluray for the audio, and now this. Awesome stuff

    And if this sentiment makes me a ball washer, so be it!
    I just would rather all of the uber fans enjoy the music, rather than just people that listen to vinyl. no seclusion's. i listen to cd because i like the physical component. i have no mp3 player or ipod, and don't want one. i like cd's, and the box sets, packaging, etc. that come with it. so hopefully something will work out.
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    Question for Pearl Jam fans here. Do their vault releases that they do on vinyl also have CD/digital releases?
    The vault live shows, are on CD, I believe. The 10 Club annual singles are not on CD, and it's an attack and insult to the fans!
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    All fucking pointless to debate anyway since there's no way there won't be a download.
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    Why not make it one of those 42 shows then? Not something youre marketing as a celebration box set of the band's 25th anniversary.

    This release is totally different than any other release. Hard core fans want it because it includes rare gems. You shouldnt limit something special like that to 2500 vinyl pressings.
    Of course hard core fans will want it. That's exclusively who it's marketed to.

    Casual fans aren't going to buy a $175 set.
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    Hilly, what's your extension at the Warehouse?
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    Of course hard core fans will want it. That's exclusively who it's marketed to.

    Casual fans aren't going to buy a $175 set.
    So what youre saying is hardcore fans who arent into vinyl or cant drop $175+ on a wimb can just get fucked?
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    [QUOTE=Hilly;16832793]Of course hard core fans will want it. That's exclusively who it's marketed to.

    Casual fans aren't going to buy a $175 set.[/QUOTE

    why not make the box set 5 LP/ 2CD? so everyone wins, and more people buy it. I bought it just to get it, even though have no use for it yet. unless the download comes with it, but it's a collection thing for me as well, if there is no cd release.
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    Question for Pearl Jam fans here. Do their vault releases that they do on vinyl also have CD/digital releases?
    yes, they do
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    So what youre saying is hardcore fans who arent into vinyl can just get fucked?
    A product that isn't catered to someone isn't an attack on that person.

    Again, there's plenty of live material out there.

    Collectors editions are just limited sets for limited audiences that are interested in them.
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    yes, they do
    Thanks

    I hope that there is a CD/digital release to follow. I'm selfishly happy as someone who listens to a lot of music on vinyl, but can also sympathize with those who want these songs that have no interest in vinyl
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    A product that isn't catered to someone isn't an attack on that person.

    Again, there's plenty of live material out there.

    Collectors editions are just limited sets for limited audiences that are interested in them.
    If this wasnt marketed as a special release for the 25th anniversary, which is something all hardcore fans of this band would want their hands on, then I could buy that.
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    yes, they do
    What about the 10 Club annual singles? Are those on CD?
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    All fucking pointless to debate anyway since there's no way there won't be a download.
    This fucking guy, this guy gets it.
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    What about the 10 Club annual singles? Are those on CD?
    they're released digitally as well as on vinyl
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    This fucking guy, this guy gets it.
    Its not just about the digital release though.

    There should be a package available for non-vinyl fans. Theres no way to get the book, unique packaging etc without spending nearly $200 on something I dont have a use for.
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    All fucking pointless to debate anyway since there's no way there won't be a download.
    i hope you're right my bucks county neighbor.

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    Old 07-11-2017, 02:30 PM   #410
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    Like this is literally where im at right now, but they dont have an option for me.


    https://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net...20140829235648



    And I personally know 4 other people in the same boat
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    they're released digitally as well as on vinyl
    True over the past few years, at least. I guess going back to when they went to the analog/digital versions of membership.
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    Its not just about the digital release though.

    There should be a package available for non-vinyl fans. Theres no way to get the book, unique packaging etc without spending nearly $200 on something I dont have a use for.
    I don't care about the book or any of that, I just want the tracks. They're that good.
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    I don't care about the book or any of that, I just want the tracks. They're that good.
    I understand that thought, but theres something to be said about the collectors part of it, thats why they make box sets. I like owning that stuff.

    Theres been plenty of that thought posted in here from multiple people, theyre leaving money on the table. But again, knowing RLM/MT, they probably struggled so mightly getting this out properly, even at least 6 months behind schedule they didnt make the time or resources available to do this as a CD set too.
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    All fucking pointless to debate anyway since there's no way there won't be a download.
    I certainly hope you're right !!!
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    Its not just about the digital release though.

    There should be a package available for non-vinyl fans. Theres no way to get the book, unique packaging etc without spending nearly $200 on something I dont have a use for.
    yeah exactly, but hilly doesn't care to understand. he argues with himself when all the batteries die on his media devices. don't trouble yourself.

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    This is not a complaint, but just a thought:

    25 tracks for 25 years of DMB, yet several years are missing entirely (97, 98, 99, 06, 14, etc). This is a great set, but it might have been nice in concept to have one song per year of the band touring.
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    I understand that thought, but theres something to be said about the collectors part of it, thats why they make box sets. I like owning that stuff.

    Theres been plenty of that thought posted in here from multiple people, theyre leaving money on the table. But again, knowing RLM/MT, they probably struggled so mightly getting this out properly, even at least 6 months behind schedule they didnt make the time or resources available to do this as a CD set too.
    You're probably right about a CD set. Again, a digital download alone will be worth whatever they charge.
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    yeah exactly, but hilly doesn't care to understand. he argues with himself when all the batteries die on his media devices. don't trouble yourself.
    Hilly is wrong about everything. I don't know why people even engage.
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    Audio question. When you rip vinyl to flac is it seamless? Are there audio quality issues?
    If you're looking for a torrent of a vinyl rip for example, if it doesn't list equipment I'd say don't bother. If it has someone who lists a fancy PCM card, detailed cleaning method, fancy pants turntable like a VPI Scout with a Dynavector cart, describes in detail their recording and post-processing method, the audio quality issues should be slim to none and the rip should be good.

    Someone ripping from a $250 USB built-in turntable? I most likely would not be interested. (I'm not interested in vinyl rips period, just offering my opinion)

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    what do you mean seamless?

    vinyl rips can sound better than cd's if done properly.
    With so many of today's major label releases, the CD master is the vinyl master. So in this case you're just creating additional steps away from what most closely resembles the original master.

    In the case of a MOFI release where it's only vinyl and the vinyl now has a different master than the CD, yes I'd agree the vinyl rip could sound better.

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    I'd love to have this vinyl release in my collection because it is a little bit special, but the price really is absurd.
    Agreed, and I'm in the same boat as you. Wish I had the spare cash, but would rather put that money towards my 4K OLED fund.

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    Side totals are a good indicator, but there are other factors at play no?
    For sure there are, DMB have had the running times covered since LT1 came out so I would be flabberghasted if they suddenly released a live compilation running 29 mins/side. You can have a great master and screw it all up with running times that require low volume cuts resulting in high levels of noise floor.

    What we have seen with all 5 Live Trax releases as well as Crash and RR95 is mastering specifically for vinyl, I can't see any reason to think they won't be doing that with this release.

    All five LTs sound better than the digital versions, mastered specifically for vinyl in each case by Scott Hull at Masterdisk. These are all 16/44.1 masters, so that's CD-quality...but the mastering makes the difference.

    Red Rocks '95 is a DAT master so it's either 16/44.1 or 16/48, but rather than just cutting the existing mastering to vinyl they mastered it specifically for vinyl by Chris Bellman - the difference is noticeable, the air in Carter's cymbals has much more energy to my ears.

    MPO have been doing a decent job with pressing, I don't know if they're doing this one but I would expect they are. I would love them to move to Optimal in Germany or RTI in California, but MPO are definintely a big step above URP in Nashville or Rainbo in California.

    Yes there is much more than running times per side, but the DMB releases over the past few years have demonstrated that all facets of the vinyl medium are being considered.

    If you can get past the cost, in my opinion there is little reason to think this release will sound anything other than fantastic. I suppose maybe someone may not like the mix, but as far as issues surrounding the medium, no concerns at all.

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    That's a big leap. I doubt mixing a whole show vs. one song is as likely or simple as you're making it sound. I'm sure it's not a "mix one song then copy/paste settings to rest of show" type thing.

    It's possible a show or two on this list is fully mixed, perhaps even previous to this set being created. But I really don't think the tracks on Live 25 are culled from future LT/DMBlive selections. A lot of them are probably one-off highlights from shows that are otherwise unremarkable.
    Exactly. Mastering isn't cheap no matter who you use and while they do mixing in house, they don't master in house. You're not going to pay for 20+ whole shows to be mixed and mastered for 25 tracks to be released. That's just bad economics. In addition with that many different sources, your mastering will be different for one track from one show than it would be for that track being released with the balance of the show that track is from.

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    So what youre saying is hardcore fans who arent into vinyl or cant drop $175+ on a wimb can just get fucked?
    What he's saying is, the market just isn't there for digital downloads.
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