DC Cinematic/TV Marthaverse Fandom (DCUc)

[Jake]

Originally Posted by M. Steng

I've fallen so far behind on the CW DC shows that I don't know if I can ever catch up. Arrow completely shit the bed after Season 2 and Flash seemed like it was going down a similar path from what I saw of the beginning of Season 3. Legends of Tomorrow was laughably bad in the beginning of Season 1 and I never got around to finishing it. Never even considered watching a second of Supergirl.

This seasons Flash isn't as bad as I thought it would be. Other than that could not agree more

[M. Steng]

Originally Posted by sheldonlevene

Once again we're aligned.

I loved Arrow S1-2, and nothing since then has really invoked a desire to continue.

Arrow Season 2 was fucking great. Flash was also really fantastic for its first two seasons. I know KevinTH says it all the time, but these shows can only be taken so far by being on the CW, not only because of their special effects budgets but because they incorporate all the teeny drama bullshit that bogs the story down.

[chadizzy1]

If you haven't yet, you have to watch Supergirl. It's my favorite superhero show right now. It has a lot of heart.

[Rockyall107]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/moviepi...?client=safari

Take the rumors for what it's worth. But it appears that the delay of the batman is over how messy justice league is. I can't take another flop. I hope it's all bullshit

[Jake]

Originally Posted by Rockyall107

https://www.google.com/amp/s/moviepi...?client=safari

Take the rumors for what it's worth. But it appears that the delay of the batman is over how messy justice league is. I can't take another flop. I hope it's all bullshit

that's the least surprising story ever. They already fucked up the DCU. They should just give up and reboot it all in 3 years.

[M. Steng]

Unfortunately my faith is starting to waver in the DCEU. It's just flat-out depressing that these movies are constantly attacked and keeping up with the rumor mill means a relentless stream of negativity attached to everything.

They had a good foundation in MoS and BvS. They set a tone that was different from Marvel which I thought worked. Then the critics unjustifiably murdered BvS (I admit it wasn't perfect but it wasn't nearly as bad as critics claimed it was), and WB panicked. Then we got the shitshow that was Suicide Squad which suffered from ridiculous studio interference in an effort to make it "fun" at the expense of telling a good story.

I'm really hoping that Wonder Woman can turn the general consensus of the DCEU around but I'm skeptical that the WW movie can bear the weight of that task entirely on its shoulders. From the start I don't think WW was ever intended to be the saving grace of the DCEU, a role that it's now found itself forced into following the absurd amount of negativity surrounding DC films.

I think their biggest mistake from the getgo was trusting Snyder to run the whole ship. I think he's a great visual artist and has the ability to make some truly beautiful-looking films. But storytelling has never been his strong suit and that's evident from MoS and BvS. KevinTH and I were talking the other day about how we're losing interest in JL because it just doesn't feel authentic. At least with MoS and BvS, we were able to be excited because the movies just had a totally different feel to them than what we had seen in the superhero genre thus far. Now, due to WB's panic, we're going to get the same tired Marvel "fun" tone that doesn't suit the DC characters at all. Disappointing as all hell because I can absolutely see JL being a flop and the DCEU being scrapped. Which is a shame because Affleck was a great Batman and I liked the general direction that MoS and BvS were headed.

[UCFish]

Funny thing is BvS and Suicide Squad still made a shitload of money....I would say that Justice League is almost "flop" proof.

That being said they did not make near what WB was expecting at least I doubt it.

[M. Steng]

Originally Posted by UCFish

Funny thing is BvS and Suicide Squad still made a shitload of money....I would say that Justice League is almost "flop" proof.

That being said they did not make near what WB was expecting at least I doubt it.

Unfortunately money and not quality is the studio's main concern.

I wouldn't say JL is flop-proof, there was so much bad press surrounding BvS and SS that I feel like the general audience has sort of soured on the DC movies (and maybe even beginning to do so for comic book movies at large). I think they really have to nail the marketing campaign to get asses in the seats for this one. Of course the diehards and the fanboys will turn out in droves but to accumulate that huge box office number you need the everyman in the theater as well.

[UCFish]

Or Trick China into loving the movies.

Marvel has done well in China but they don't give a shit about Star Wars. Suicide Squad not getting a release in China certainly did not help.

[sheldonlevene]

Originally Posted by M. Steng

Unfortunately my faith is starting to waver in the DCEU. It's just flat-out depressing that these movies are constantly attacked and keeping up with the rumor mill means a relentless stream of negativity attached to everything.

They had a good foundation in MoS and BvS. They set a tone that was different from Marvel which I thought worked. Then the critics unjustifiably murdered BvS (I admit it wasn't perfect but it wasn't nearly as bad as critics claimed it was), and WB panicked. Then we got the shitshow that was Suicide Squad which suffered from ridiculous studio interference in an effort to make it "fun" at the expense of telling a good story.

I'm really hoping that Wonder Woman can turn the general consensus of the DCEU around but I'm skeptical that the WW movie can bear the weight of that task entirely on its shoulders. From the start I don't think WW was ever intended to be the saving grace of the DCEU, a role that it's now found itself forced into following the absurd amount of negativity surrounding DC films.

I think their biggest mistake from the getgo was trusting Snyder to run the whole ship. I think he's a great visual artist and has the ability to make some truly beautiful-looking films. But storytelling has never been his strong suit and that's evident from MoS and BvS. KevinTH and I were talking the other day about how we're losing interest in JL because it just doesn't feel authentic. At least with MoS and BvS, we were able to be excited because the movies just had a totally different feel to them than what we had seen in the superhero genre thus far. Now, due to WB's panic, we're going to get the same tired Marvel "fun" tone that doesn't suit the DC characters at all. Disappointing as all hell because I can absolutely see JL being a flop and the DCEU being scrapped. Which is a shame because Affleck was a great Batman and I liked the general direction that MoS and BvS were headed.

This is literally the only reason I don't want to see a scrap/reboot scenario.

Cavill is a serviceable Supes, but not breathtaking...but I really liked Ben in the role and the aesthetic Wilkson (costumer - I know you know) went with the Batsuits we've seen. Comics are a visual medium so seeing them faithfully represented onscreen was a really awesome thing.

[MOWJO8185]

None of the DCEU feels authentic to me - it feels like they want to catch up with Marvel immediately without taking the years of laying the groundwork for these multi-character films like Marvel did.

[clayj41]

In other news, Jeff Bridges' name is being thrown around in Darkseid casting rumors:

http://www.cosmicbooknews.com/jeff-b...justice-league

[sheldonlevene]

Originally Posted by clayj41

In other news, Jeff Bridges' name is being thrown around in Darkseid casting rumors:

http://www.cosmicbooknews.com/jeff-b...justice-league

I actually love this idea but it has near 0 validity in any real scoop.

It came from some fans twitter as far as I know.

[M. Steng]

I love Jeff Bridges but he would be a horrible Darkseid.

[sheldonlevene]

I think if done like they've done Thanos where his face is the basis for the mocap and they use his vocal tracks and give a slight augmentation - it could be really cool.

But I don't know if he could even do it from being in the MCU already...there's not a lot of crossover.

[M. Steng]

Originally Posted by sheldonlevene

I think if done like they've done Thanos where his face is the basis for the mocap and they use his vocal tracks and give a slight augmentation - it could be really cool.

But I don't know if he could even do it from being in the MCU already...there's not a lot of crossover.

Something about Bridges just doesn't scream "Darkseid" to me. I think it's just the way he talks. His voice could be modified, sure, but the way he enunciates his words seems too "earthly" to me. I always imagined Darkseid to have that really booming James Earl Jones type voice.

[chadizzy1]

The DC TV Universe is definitely doing much better.

But I'm happy all around. I'm enjoying the TV and movies produced. But I guess I'm not looking for reasons to critique them or not like them. I'm sure there is fair criticism, but most of what I'm seeing is just people looking for reasons not to like the movies.

[M. Steng]

The DCTV shows are absolute ass these days. A few years ago I might be inclined to agree with you.

[MOWJO8185]

Also, as my biggest issue with BvS was Lex Luthor, I'm extremely troubled that he is coming back for Justice League.

[sheldonlevene]

Originally Posted by M. Steng

Something about Bridges just doesn't scream "Darkseid" to me. I think it's just the way he talks. His voice could be modified, sure, but the way he enunciates his words seems too "earthly" to me. I always imagined Darkseid to have that really booming James Earl Jones type voice.

Another name I've heard floated - Javier Bardem.

Thoughts?

[M. Steng]

Originally Posted by MOWJO8185

Also, as my biggest issue with BvS was Lex Luthor, I'm extremely troubled that he is coming back for Justice League.

It was definitely a different interpretation than those that have come before. I personally was happy to see them switch back to Lex's pure hatred of Superman on a philosophical level rather than the real-estate/Kevin Spacey interpretation. It also would have been a little tired to have him be just another middle-aged white businessman with a secret agenda (like Bruce Wayne). You need contrast in your characters, including Bruce Wayne in the movie sort of meant that you needed a different type of Lex to play off of that (if that makes sense).

Rumor has it that Lex will be much more cold/calm/calculated going forward but that's likely in response to the negative backlash his BvS interpretation received.

[M. Steng]

Originally Posted by sheldonlevene

Another name I've heard floated - Javier Bardem.

Thoughts?

He's the No Country For Old Men guy, right? I haven't seen much of his work so I can't really comment.

[sheldonlevene]

Yeah correct. Also the villain in Skyfall. He's great.

[MOWJO8185]

Originally Posted by M. Steng

It was definitely a different interpretation than those that have come before. I personally was happy to see them switch back to Lex's pure hatred of Superman on a philosophical level rather than the real-estate/Kevin Spacey interpretation. It also would have been a little tired to have him be just another middle-aged white businessman with a secret agenda (like Bruce Wayne). You need contrast in your characters, including Bruce Wayne in the movie sort of meant that you needed a different type of Lex to play off of that (if that makes sense).

Rumor has it that Lex will be much more cold/calm/calculated going forward but that's likely in response to the negative backlash his BvS interpretation received.

Yeah the tough thing was that he was behind EVERYTHING that happened in the movie. Literally almost every plot movement forward was due to his scheming. I'm fine if they wanted to depict him as a little off-kilter. But it was a divisive interpretation of him, and they would have done well to make him a little less involved in driving every single action of the film forward so that his character didn't overtake EVERYTHING for those who didn't like him. If he's an oddball that's working to discredit Superman for a mix of personal and business reasons, and then Batman decides to fight Superman on his own as an indirect result of Luthor's scheming, rather than them fighting being Luthor's goal, the movie works sooo much better. And ditto Doomsday - if Luthor creates him by accident instead of the ultimate backup plan or whatever the hell, I think it works much better.

[M. Steng]

Originally Posted by MOWJO8185

Yeah the tough thing was that he was behind EVERYTHING that happened in the movie. Literally almost every plot movement forward was due to his scheming. I'm fine if they wanted to depict him as a little off-kilter. But it was a divisive interpretation of him, and they would have done well to make him a little less involved in driving every single action of the film forward so that his character didn't overtake EVERYTHING for those who didn't like him. If he's an oddball that's working to discredit Superman for a mix of personal and business reasons, and then Batman decides to fight Superman on his own as an indirect result of Luthor's scheming, rather than them fighting being Luthor's goal, the movie works sooo much better. And ditto Doomsday - if Luthor creates him by accident instead of the ultimate backup plan or whatever the hell, I think it works much better.

I actually agree that they probably made him TOO involved in everything.

I think Lex creating Doomsday was more accidental then we're let on in the movie, after all he doesn't stumble into the weird Genesis chamber thing on the ship until well after he'd already put his plotting in place to make the Batman v Superman conflict happen. So he learned about it and thought, oh shit, this whole Batman thing is a lot less important now that I can have this major backup plan in place.

I still wish they wouldn't have included Doomsday but thought the fight itself was fine enough. It was more of a plot device that anything, to show that Superman really did care about Earth and helped him come to grips with all the stuff he struggled with during MoS and BvS regarding how the world perceived him. It was probably a little rushed and I would have preferred it to have happened in JL.

[MOWJO8185]

Originally Posted by M. Steng

I actually agree that they probably made him TOO involved in everything.

I think Lex creating Doomsday was more accidental then we're let on in the movie, after all he doesn't stumble into the weird Genesis chamber thing on the ship until well after he'd already put his plotting in place to make the Batman v Superman conflict happen. So he learned about it and thought, oh shit, this whole Batman thing is a lot less important now that I can have this major backup plan in place.

I still wish they wouldn't have included Doomsday but thought the fight itself was fine enough. It was more of a plot device that anything, to show that Superman really did care about Earth and helped him come to grips with all the stuff he struggled with during MoS and BvS regarding how the world perceived him. It was probably a little rushed and I would have preferred it to have happened in JL.

I don't think it was accidental at all. I think he sliced his hand open and said, "Ok, I'll do this now."

[M. Steng]

Originally Posted by MOWJO8185

I don't think it was accidental at all. I think he sliced his hand open and said, "Ok, I'll do this now."

Ok, Mr. Literal. I meant in the sense that it wasn't part of his plan from the beginning of his scheming. He didn't know about the possibility of creating Doomsday until about 2/3 into the movie. So in the sense that it wasn't part of his plan, yes, it was in a way accidental.

[chadizzy1]

I think Martian Manhunter would make a good film.

Do a background about the war on Mars, how he came to Earth, assimilated, etc. it would be a great story.

[chadizzy1]

Goyer is writing the 2020 Green Lantern film.

http://comicbook.com/2017/01/12/gree...screenwriters/

[UCFish]

The Rock Confirms a shift in tone for the DCEU

Hope, Optimism, and Fun!

http://www.cinemablend.com/news/1611...s-want-to-hear