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Old 11-30-2006, 02:30 PM   #121
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    marijuana is not a drug, ok? cocaine is a drug. ive sucked dick for coke.(i seen him!!) have you ever sucked dick for marijuana?



    didnt think so.


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    im gona go blow a line ill bb in a few
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    FACT. Dave used to do to heroin.

    I know its tough for many to wrap their head around, but he was a heroin addict around 1990-late 92/early 93
    I've always thought that was a known fact. I'm surprised that noone knows for sure but my friend who got me into dave told me dave was a heroin addict in the early 90's as well. That would explain his random wailing in songs and the davespeak
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    Old 11-30-2006, 04:02 PM   #125
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    That made me laugh...mostly because it is true. Christian Music Today even reviews his albums!

    I know that there are things that I did as a college student that were bad for me and that I probably wouldn't admit if asked.

    Dave probably dabbled in a little of everything, like most young people. However, there is a difference between dabbling and being a heroin addict (R&R deals with addiction). If you did coke a couple of times at a party 10 years ago, that does not make you a cocaine addict.

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    i think its good that christian music today reviews his albums. Dave has powerful lyrics that are almost always ambiguous. If christians interpret it in their favor then let them do so. Bartender is the perfect example because in the end dave basically says that hewishes he could be pure but it won't happen.
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    Old 11-30-2006, 04:06 PM   #126
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    People point to Christmas Song and say "see!!!!" but then I point to the line in WYA where he says that calling to God is like cling to straw while drowning.
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    Old 11-30-2006, 07:28 PM   #127
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    Dave couldn't have done heroine Keith Richards used it all up, we have to wait till hes dead then smoke his ashes.
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    Old 11-30-2006, 07:30 PM   #128
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    we'll be waiting a long time then. Keith Richards is invinceable.
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    Old 12-10-2006, 04:14 PM   #129
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    Dave is such a misleading bastard. I seriously need to know...cause if my role model does it, it must be ok.
    Yeah well..for what its worth, maybe its the needle on a record player.
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    Old 12-10-2006, 05:01 PM   #130
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    Dave is such a misleading bastard. I seriously need to know...cause if my role model does it, it must be ok.
    ah i thought it was funny
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    Old 12-10-2006, 10:17 PM   #131
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    I would believe that Rhyme & Reason is a pretty blatant admission to a previous addiction.
    Really?
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    Old 12-10-2006, 10:56 PM   #132
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    so, dave was skinny?
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    Old 12-11-2006, 07:34 AM   #133
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    so, dave was skinny?
    And he wore funny hats.
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    Old 12-11-2006, 09:41 AM   #134
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    heroin is a serious drug it is not like acid. you get addicted and dependant upon it. look at james taylor, eric clapton, neil young, jimi hendrix, john frusciante, dave navarro, kurt cobain, trent reznor...they all suffered and battled heroin for a very long time and everyone knows about it. heroin isnt the kind of thing someone tries occasionally and writes a song about it.
    i beg to differ. infact , as far as i am concerned. heroin is something ive tried occassionaly and wrote a song about. so ya
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    Old 12-11-2006, 11:31 AM   #135
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    i met someone that worked at tweeter in camden for years... and said he saw dave doing coke several times... i didn't like hearing that but have sort of ignored it....
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    Old 12-30-2006, 11:20 AM   #136
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    FACT. Dave used to do to heroin.

    I know its tough for many to wrap their head around, but he was a heroin addict around 1990-late 92/early 93
    I don't doubt he has, I was just saying you can't look at a picture and say he is a coke head or heroin addict! Thats all.
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    Old 12-30-2006, 11:50 AM   #137
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    I don't doubt he has, I was just saying you can't look at a picture and say he is a coke head or heroin addict! Thats all.
    Sure you can...........look at the nasal passages. They're typically more defined or caved in a bit. Also the tip of the nose is more pronounced and pointy. I did a research on all this stuff for human anatomy.
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    Old 12-30-2006, 11:52 AM   #138
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    In an interview on VH1, Dave says the biggest misconception people have of him is that he does alot of Weed. He says "I think weed should be legal, that doesn't mean I smoke it."

    Doesn't mention anything about Heroin, but I wouldn't doubt he's done it and I don't doubt he liked it.

    I think drugs are something alot of fans attribute to his actual personality. I remember an interview once, where Dave said he was high on cold medicine and Ricollas, and that he's exuding alot of fidgety energy because he was nervous. I think alot of times people assume it's what he's doing not who he is.

    I doubt the thirty something million dollars he made last year went to snorting half of Peru up his nose. But of course, as most all of the generation of his time, I'm sure he's done drugs.

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    I’m new to the forums, or at least have yet to read through some of these old gems. But I can not believe I read that Can’t Stop (per someone’s interpretation) is a song about H???? Lol. That’s downright funny man.

    Creative writing, whether you’re DM or John Denver is based in analogies and symbolism.

    For someone to read LITERALLY into can’t stop as a song about a junkie would be to believe every song with the word God in it, or some other form of the christian figureheads (Jesus, Savior, Christ, whichever) is about Dave’e personal faith as a Christian believer.

    It doesn’t matter how “graphic” or “obvious” the lyrics seem, the more obvious it seems to you, the more likely you are WRONG.

    As a musician, and as a friend, bet your a__ Dave has seen friends, colleagues, and other ppl close to him struggle with addiction. But WHO OF US HAS NOT known someone, lost someone, witnessed someone, etc., completely devoured by addiction. It’s a phenomenon that’s almost impossible to understand unless you’ve been through it, and it inspires creative people to write about it. Not to save other addicts, not to talk about personal experience, BUT TO COPE WITH the cancerous blackholes in life that steal lives away way too young.

    I’m a guy who can sit and think about WHY some people can try drugs and others try something once and it redirects their life once and forever. I have no way to express how bizarre that is, or why it happens to some ppl but not all. Well Dave has a way to express it - his music.

    Thats all it is people. When dave writes a song about things in his life, he’s one of the most transparent writers in that he’ll tell stories on stage about the circumstances surrounding the song. But guess what?? Half of that is BULL_____ too! I’ve heard him tell a number of stories about several songs which contradict each other. He’s not LYING to us on purpose, but many of his lyrics are JUST vague enough to draw several logical explanations from. Dave wants his fans to put the lyrics in their pipe and smoke them, and draw whatever means something to THEIR LIFE from them.

    Its really simple- but not as literal- as some of the things in this thread.

    No one should criticize another’s interpretation UNLESS it just lacks creativity, and is as literal as the words appear. You dont tour the earth for 30 years by writing songs that mean verbatim what they appear to if a 9 yr old read them. Buy beyond that, everyone’s interpretation is worth hearing out... again unless you just obviously ignore things that are pretty public about Dave. Like if you think bartenders about dave’s faith in God, you’re just hearing words, you’re not listening or paying attention to his work as a whole
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    He looks strung out in the Ants Marching video.
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    Old 09-29-2021, 08:05 AM   #141
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    we'll be waiting a long time then. Keith Richards is invinceable.
    Honestly this might be the only comment that holds up in this thread 15 years later
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    Honestly this might be the only comment that holds up in this thread 15 years later
    This one is even more relevant today:

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    didnt dave tell a story about tripping in the woods on acid one time?
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    I’m new to the forums, or at least have yet to read through some of these old gems. But I can not believe I read that Can’t Stop (per someone’s interpretation) is a song about H???? Lol. That’s downright funny man.

    Creative writing, whether you’re DM or John Denver is based in analogies and symbolism.

    For someone to read LITERALLY into can’t stop as a song about a junkie would be to believe every song with the word God in it, or some other form of the christian figureheads (Jesus, Savior, Christ, whichever) is about Dave’e personal faith as a Christian believer.

    It doesn’t matter how “graphic” or “obvious” the lyrics seem, the more obvious it seems to you, the more likely you are WRONG.

    As a musician, and as a friend, bet your a__ Dave has seen friends, colleagues, and other ppl close to him struggle with addiction. But WHO OF US HAS NOT known someone, lost someone, witnessed someone, etc., completely devoured by addiction. It’s a phenomenon that’s almost impossible to understand unless you’ve been through it, and it inspires creative people to write about it. Not to save other addicts, not to talk about personal experience, BUT TO COPE WITH the cancerous blackholes in life that steal lives away way too young.

    I’m a guy who can sit and think about WHY some people can try drugs and others try something once and it redirects their life once and forever. I have no way to express how bizarre that is, or why it happens to some ppl but not all. Well Dave has a way to express it - his music.

    Thats all it is people. When dave writes a song about things in his life, he’s one of the most transparent writers in that he’ll tell stories on stage about the circumstances surrounding the song. But guess what?? Half of that is BULL_____ too! I’ve heard him tell a number of stories about several songs which contradict each other. He’s not LYING to us on purpose, but many of his lyrics are JUST vague enough to draw several logical explanations from. Dave wants his fans to put the lyrics in their pipe and smoke them, and draw whatever means something to THEIR LIFE from them.

    Its really simple- but not as literal- as some of the things in this thread.

    No one should criticize another’s interpretation UNLESS it just lacks creativity, and is as literal as the words appear. You dont tour the earth for 30 years by writing songs that mean verbatim what they appear to if a 9 yr old read them. Buy beyond that, everyone’s interpretation is worth hearing out... again unless you just obviously ignore things that are pretty public about Dave. Like if you think bartenders about dave’s faith in God, you’re just hearing words, you’re not listening or paying attention to his work as a whole
    so you mean, rhyme and reason is about his one time or many time use of heroin and one of his favorite covers, needle and the damage is done, is one of his favorites because he relates to it ?

    But anyhow, interesting topic. It goes without being said, the greatest music ever written was written under the influence. Anything from drinking to crack. And many musicians writing abilities tend to drop as they get older because as people get older, they move past that stage in their life. Of course, getting older takes you out of your prime as well. One person who has pulled it off without any substance abuse, according to themselves, is john mayer. Seems like his albums just keep getting better and better. Coldplays’ writing ability seems to continue to be on an upward trajectory. They dealt with substance abuses in the past but by all accounts they seem to be past that stage. And their writing seems to continue to be on an upward trajectory. But this is a cool conversation that could go on for hours.
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    so you mean, rhyme and reason is about his one time or many time use of heroin and one of his favorite covers, needle and the damage is done, is one of his favorites because he relates to it ?

    But anyhow, interesting topic. It goes without being said, the greatest music ever written was written under the influence. Anything from drinking to crack. And many musicians writing abilities tend to drop as they get older because as people get older, they move past that stage in their life. Of course, getting older takes you out of your prime as well. One person who has pulled it off without any substance abuse, according to themselves, is john mayer. Seems like his albums just keep getting better and better. Coldplays’ writing ability seems to continue to be on an upward trajectory. They dealt with substance abuses in the past but by all accounts they seem to be past that stage. And their writing seems to continue to be on an upward trajectory. But this is a cool conversation that could go on for hours.
    For John Mayer are you excluding whiskey and weed? Because he enjoys both of those things, and sings about it haha
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    John has been off the booze for a while. He is over a year sober. He still does edibles though and regularly talks about it.
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    For John Mayer are you excluding whiskey and weed? Because he enjoys both of those things, and sings about it haha
    Yep! Those don’t count lol
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