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Old 07-30-2020, 03:57 PM   #31
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Re: Hartford 2003/D&F Announcement

SUAD has always felt like they were trying to force that "Tripping Billies" the label was so desperate for at the time. In that case, I can understand why the band ended up abandoning it. I've never heard it live, but it's always come across as rather hollow/shallow to me.
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  • Old 07-30-2020, 11:52 PM   #32
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    I think there's some truth to that.

    About the shows being short, shows under 2 hours were a lot more common in 2003. The shows at the Home Depot Center a month earlier were even shorter.
    The Sacramento show on July 30, 2003 which was played for the Drive-in on June 17 was just a 2 hours 5 minute concert.
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    Old 07-31-2020, 12:06 AM   #33
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    The Sacramento show on July 30, 2003 which was played for the Drive-in on June 17 was just a 2 hours 5 minute concert.
    Thatís actually around average for that tour. There were some under an hour and 50 minutes.
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    Old 07-31-2020, 09:24 AM   #34
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    SUAD has always felt like they were trying to force that "Tripping Billies" the label was so desperate for at the time. In that case, I can understand why the band ended up abandoning it. I've never heard it live, but it's always come across as rather hollow/shallow to me.
    I can see that, especially in light of "Where's the Tripping Billies?" label comments.

    There's something about SUAD that we love, but I get it as a musician and former studio producer/arranger. There's something forced about the beat and progression when you really analyze it. It's super on the beat compared to a lot of their other tunes and I can see how the experience would be different playing it than hearing it. I'd never heard that about Carter being hung up on the lyrics, unless that was a misinterpretation of what was said. Because the lyrical content is all over the place, and Lord of the Flies is a random verse.

    '00-'07 there were a number of near-break-ups. Nearly every session in the '00s occurred during a potential break-up or relit those fires. LWS. ED. BS. SD. SU. '06. '07. Early '08. To the band's credit, most of the in-fighting happened behind closed doors and wasn't spoken about publicly for a long time. Even still most of that knowledge is from flies on the wall, which introduces a lot of 'not getting the subtext' and loose misinterpretation.

    Whenever anyone says the same line near identically in multiple places, it's been rehearsed. If they say something about what they love with less than a real half-grin, it's been coached. I've been there, and it sucks, and there's a reason most musician's aren't actors. So you have to take Rolling Stone pieces that are timely in a band's career with a grain of salt. The retrospective pieces they usually get right, but the in the moment ones typically follow a label thread. Sometimes because that's what the label/mgmt has coached the band to say; sometimes because the reporter was doing the spin piece in order to get to do the meaty article they really wanted. There's always three sides to a story, and the last one rarely gets print or coverage.
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    Old 07-31-2020, 01:16 PM   #35
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    I think Carter and Fonz would be the ones that would likely write the most objective and holistic account. I don't think Dave ever will share the story and it seems like any account from Boyd would be potentially skewed towards his personal experience.
    Well if Fonz's crying on Twitter is any indication, anything in his book would have to be taken with a grain of salt.
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    Old 07-31-2020, 04:48 PM   #36
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    I remember reading in a magazine back in the early 00’s, concerning Dave’s battle with depression and the tension within the band around 2000-2001. Kind of can’t believe I was able to Google up the exact article I was thinking of, but here it is:

    https://www.rollingstone.com/music/m...atthews-85267/
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    I love the first part of the article

    They are talking about 12/17/00. Daveheads who traveled up from Virginia who said there were no surprises. Seek up opener debuted, and blue water was played the 2nd time that month after not being seen for 7 years. Not to mention show time was normal for the tour, and his voice didn’t suffer either.
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    Didn’t Dave have the flu for that 12/17/00 show? I feel like I read that somewhere.
    Here's a Copperpot video of the Philly show: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSFZ...gC35E&index=11

    Haven't had a chance to watch it yet to see if Dave is noticeably sick

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    Old 07-31-2020, 05:31 PM   #37
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    I’ll always maintain that’s one of their best performances of seek up
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