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Old 12-14-2010, 03:33 PM   #121
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Not hating on Copeland, just think that it's a completely different style than what Carter brings each night. Granted, a lot of that is due to style of music from their respective bands, the kit with which he performs, etc. so hard to compare apples and coconuts. Then again, I find a ton of comparisons in the live show between Danny Carey and Carter........TOOL & DMB......yea just a little different, but the drum kit contributions to each song both live and studio are very similar......lots of double bass, lots of small add-ins, off-beats, auxhilliary instruments, etc.

The way a song like JTR and a Warehouse (w/ salsa) and others can change time signatures back and forth on the fly is just awesome, all driven by the man behind the set. 'Ol carter can't be in too much pain back there as he blows his bubbles and rarely stops smiling. As far as written music, I'd love to see what Carter pulls out each night actually put to paper.....plenty of rudiments would show up. What I wouldn't give just to sit down and talk shop with him..........
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    Not hating on Copeland,
    ...but you did...

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    just think that it's a completely different style than what Carter brings each night. Granted, a lot of that is due to style of music from their respective bands, the kit with which he performs, etc. so hard to compare apples and coconuts.
    Exactly. There are strengths and weaknesses to each when compared so to call one better than the other is really moot. They're all on the upper echelon of drummers, I think we can agree on that. There's names that aren't worth "Slotting into a list".... Carter, Copeland, Gadd, etc etc. They're on the upper tier. Nuff said.


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    The way a song like JTR and a Warehouse (w/ salsa) and others can change time signatures back and forth on the fly is just awesome, all driven by the man behind the set. 'Ol carter can't be in too much pain back there as he blows his bubbles and rarely stops smiling.
    That change in JTR isn't that rough. There's no change in tempo. Now, had that change incorporated a tempo shift, then we can talk.

    And we can argue if the metric modulation in Warehouse is a true time signature change or not, since it resolves in 8 counts and fits in the context of the 16th note pulse to the "original" tempo.


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    As far as written music, I'd love to see what Carter pulls out each night actually put to paper.....plenty of rudiments would show up. What I wouldn't give just to sit down and talk shop with him..........

    Really? Rudiments? Or just hand combinations? I've never seen Carter play a Ratamacue. Or Pataflaflas. Not much in the way of Swiss Army Triplets. Can't say I've seen seven stroke rolls.

    Does he use rudiments? Sure, every drummer does, whether it's on purpose or accident. To say he's using more rudiments than your average drummer out there would be a difficult argument to make.
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    Carter is good.
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    Really? Rudiments? Or just hand combinations? I've never seen Carter play a Ratamacue. Or Pataflaflas. Not much in the way of Swiss Army Triplets. Can't say I've seen seven stroke rolls.

    Does he use rudiments? Sure, every drummer does, whether it's on purpose or accident. To say he's using more rudiments than your average drummer out there would be a difficult argument to make.
    This guy wants to talk shop, but does he realize that Carter can't even talk shop in an instructional video?

    Also, Carter single strokes, and hertas. The occasional flam. He is NOT a rudimental drummer. Check out Harrison, Moore, or Gadd if you want a truly rudimental drummer.
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    Not hating on Copeland, just think that it's a completely different style than what Carter brings each night. Granted, a lot of that is due to style of music from their respective bands, the kit with which he performs, etc. so hard to compare apples and coconuts.
    Check out Copeland from the Rio video playing Wrapped Around Your Finger. You think he doesn't have a tonne of auxillary percussive instruments?



    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWh5ilLBs-k

    He jumps onto his actual kit at 4:00
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    Old 12-15-2010, 01:51 PM   #126
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    Check out Copeland from the Rio video playing Wrapped Around Your Finger. You think he doesn't have a tonne of auxillary percussive instruments?



    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWh5ilLBs-k

    He jumps onto his actual kit at 4:00
    Screw the playing of the parts... how about the effectiveness of those parts?! Using Timpani on the Chorus?
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    Old 12-15-2010, 02:33 PM   #127
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    Yeah it's brilliant, I love the chorus. The 5.1 track on the Blu-ray of the "Certified" release is in 24-bit/96kHz lossless TrueHD - it's simply stunning.

    Love what Copeland does with this track.
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    Old 12-15-2010, 02:38 PM   #128
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    Good to see there's plenty of folks around here that really can appreciate what Carter brings each night, lots just figure him to be the guy behind the kit that makes noise and keeps things going. I suppose if I were a guitar player i'd be more in tune with dave & tim but my ear is for the kit.

    Not saying carter really goes out of his way to use rudiments but over the years i've heard of more than a few worked into live shows for those that care to pay attention to such things. Though he does have a killer single stroke roll and throws in flams n such here and there, I never accused him of being a rudimental God and really don't know anyone who goes that far with rudiments on a set. My heart is in corps style percussion w/ snares, tenors, etc. and just like to tinker with a set now and again. Hopefully Carter '12 is a lot like Carter '92-'10. All-time rankings are pretty tough to justify
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    Old 12-15-2010, 10:31 PM   #129
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    Not saying carter really goes out of his way to use rudiments but over the years i've heard of more than a few worked into live shows for those that care to pay attention to such things.
    Care to point out a show or two? (Assuming you collect live shows)

    Singles, Doubles and Flams does not a rudimental drummer make.
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    Care to point out a show or two? (Assuming you collect live shows)

    Singles, Doubles and Flams does not a rudimental drummer make.
    True, but that rules out 95% of drummers around the world.
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    Rudimental or not, flams are the shit. If you don't like flams, I don't like you.
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    Old 12-16-2010, 11:23 AM   #132
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    Rudimental or not, flams are the shit. If you don't like flams, I don't like you.
    Flams are the shit. However, they usually are played like shit.

    I hate flat flams and flams you can drive a truck through. Gotta get that upstroke-downstroke combination in there to execute flams effectively.

    Additionally, a grace note should not be played from eyeball level.
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    Flams are the shit. However, they usually are played like shit.

    I hate flat flams and flams you can drive a truck through. Gotta get that upstroke-downstroke combination in there to execute flams effectively.

    Additionally, a grace note should not be played from eyeball level.
    Yeah, some don't understand whether at 3" or 12" or 18" (SCV Moeller arms), the grace note is 1". ALWAYS.

    Fat flams are ugly flams.

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    Yeah, some don't understand whether at 3" or 12" or 18" (SCV Moeller arms), the grace note is 1". ALWAYS.

    Fat flams are ugly flams.
    Drum Corps reference?
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    Old 12-16-2010, 03:00 PM   #135
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    Care to point out a show or two? (Assuming you collect live shows)

    Singles, Doubles and Flams does not a rudimental drummer make.

    That's an ill-advised assumption, other than my share of Live Trax and DVDs, no I do not collect shows, just love to see my favorite band on stage when I can make it or jam it in the car. This is set drumming, not a Phantom audition. Maybe someone at that event would care but I have to believe our man Carter would laugh in the face of anyone who dared attempt criticism of his flams when all he's worried about his his next bubble and pushing the band when dave flubs lyrics.
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    Old 12-16-2010, 03:02 PM   #136
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    Carter is part of what makes DMB 100x better than Dave & Friends.

    IMO.
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    Carter is probably the reason I have no interest in D&T shows. And Boyd of course.
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    Old 12-16-2010, 03:30 PM   #138
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    Carter is part of what makes DMB 100x better than Dave & Friends.

    IMO.
    This very true, though I don't mind Brady w/ D & F's. May be kinda cool to see carter sit in with them on a smaller kit, kinda old school jazz-like
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    Drum Corps reference?
    SCV? Yeah... Santa Clara Vanguard.

    Flat flams? No, that's just good drumming technique reference.



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    That's an ill-advised assumption, other than my share of Live Trax and DVDs, no I do not collect shows, just love to see my favorite band on stage when I can make it or jam it in the car.
    I asked this because I thought maybe you could point out a specific instance of Carter using rudiments as you mentioned. Just asking as a frame of reference that's all.


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    This is set drumming, not a Phantom audition. Maybe someone at that event would care but I have to believe our man Carter would laugh in the face of anyone who dared attempt criticism of his flams when all he's worried about his his next bubble and pushing the band when dave flubs lyrics.
    Agreed. Carter could probably care less. However, the problem comes in when a student looks at these musicians playing horrible flams in ANY style of music and says "That's how you do a flam". And then that student comes to me and plays Pataflaflas, Flamacues and Flam Accents with a grace note that could hit their chin. If you're playing a rudiment incorrectly, then you're not playing the rudiment. And Carter? Not a model flam player.
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    Carter is probably the reason I have no interest in D&T shows.
    my feelings exactly, and why I got into the band in the first place
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    Drum Corps reference?
    Yes, but it applies everywhere. Flams are flams. They've never changed, people have just gotten sloppy with 'em.

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    That's an ill-advised assumption, other than my share of Live Trax and DVDs, no I do not collect shows, just love to see my favorite band on stage when I can make it or jam it in the car. This is set drumming, not a Phantom audition. Maybe someone at that event would care but I have to believe our man Carter would laugh in the face of anyone who dared attempt criticism of his flams when all he's worried about his his next bubble and pushing the band when dave flubs lyrics.
    Obviously you've never listened to Carter. 1, he wouldn't give a shit. 2, he wouldn't know what he was doing wrong anyways. 3, he isn't the sole reason the band survives fuck-ups. The whole band, Dave included, pushes through mistakes and stuff. If Carter was, SDL from MHMF would've been a disaster, as Carter fucked-up coming in (mostly because he does too much in that song now... and it's only getting worse).

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    SCV? Yeah... Santa Clara Vanguard.

    Flat flams? No, that's just good drumming technique reference.

    I asked this because I thought maybe you could point out a specific instance of Carter using rudiments as you mentioned. Just asking as a frame of reference that's all.

    Agreed. Carter could probably care less. However, the problem comes in when a student looks at these musicians playing horrible flams in ANY style of music and says "That's how you do a flam". And then that student comes to me and plays Pataflaflas, Flamacues and Flam Accents with a grace note that could hit their chin. If you're playing a rudiment incorrectly, then you're not playing the rudiment. And Carter? Not a model flam player.
    I've never heard him double-stroke, either, now that I think of it. His singles are good, but I wonder if his doubles are?
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    I've never heard him double-stroke, either, now that I think of it. His singles are good, but I wonder if his doubles are?
    Giving him the benefit of the doubt.
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    the guy said this site is full of fanboys. me, you and maybe 10 others agree with him.
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    Carter is part of what makes DMB 100x better than Dave & Friends.

    IMO.
    I don't know much about drumming so I can't really give a great answer but I prefer Brady's style of drumming with d&f than I do Carters. I feel simplicity is important sometimes and those tunes (Some Devil) are a good example. When I heard them debut Some Devil (song) full band I didn't enjoy it all that much and Carter was definitely a reason.
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    citi two step jam, in double bass we trust.
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    carter is amazing, but the guy did have a point when he said there are too many fanboys here. carter isnt hte greatest of all time. he is fucking amazing though.

    :::waits for simmons.
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    Carter is good.
    Carter is great.

    not the best ever of course, but he is in a top group to some degree.
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    Carter is great.

    not the best ever of course, but he is in a top group to some degree.
    absolutely in a top group. there are so many people i know that dont know much about the band (or dont like the band) but recognize how great he is. ive changed many friends perception on the band solely on carters talent.
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    absolutely in a top group. there are so many people i know that dont know much about the band (or dont like the band) but recognize how great he is. ive changed many friends perception on the band solely on carters talent.
    Top 10 drummer in the world, counting top-name artists, groups, and gigs.

    Top 50ish counting all drummers, many unheard of in the radio music world.

    Sorry, but I could rattle of many that'd show him his place.
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    Top 10 drummer in the world, counting top-name artists, groups, and gigs.

    Top 50ish counting all drummers, many unheard of in the radio music world.

    Sorry, but I could rattle of many that'd show him his place.
    please do...

    In my opinion, when talking about top teir artists, such as Carter, it becomes more about style preference. That is not to throw out technical talent completely, some are better than others. But it is safe to say that once an artist has mastered their instrument, as Carter has, the distinction is more about style.

    Tim has mastered his instrument, many hate his style.
    Carter has mastered his instrument, many love his style.

    And so on...
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