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Old 12-13-2010, 12:06 AM   #91
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I hope this is sarcasm.
I'm sick of people talking crap about every member in the band, especially Dave.
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    Old 12-13-2010, 02:39 AM   #93
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    Re: Carter Beauford

    This thread sucks.

    Is Carter Beauford a great drummer? Yes
    Is he one of the best drummers of all time? Probably not
    Is he better now than he used? I dunno, maybe. Past or present, both are great with me
    Is Carter Beauford's drumming a good fit with this band? Absolutely
    Is Dave Matthews as good a guitar player as John Mayer? No
    Is Dave's song writing ability better? Depends on preference. For me, yes, by a lot.

    My $0.02 thrown in.
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    Old 12-13-2010, 02:50 AM   #94
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    Re: Carter Beauford

    I think John Mayer would laugh at you if you told him he was a better songwriter than Dave.
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    Old 12-13-2010, 09:43 AM   #95
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    He's never been better.
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    Old 12-13-2010, 10:07 AM   #96
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    Carter is p. awesome.
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    Old 12-13-2010, 11:55 AM   #97
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    Yeah, it's the strained relationships.
    Not trying to be an azz, but do you have inside info? All recent stories and interviews say that they are getting along better than they have in years, so I'm
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    Old 12-13-2010, 02:31 PM   #98
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    I think BWGGK might be Carter's best album so... I'd say he's better now.



    He is better now then ever. He leaves my jaw dropped all the time.

    Two Step in 09 and 10 are fucking insane.
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    Old 12-13-2010, 02:43 PM   #99
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    The problem with this list is the requirement: big acts. I can name 15 drummers NOT on that list that'd destroy every one of them. And it's obviously pandering, as Chambers, Colaiuta, and Gadd would make Peart look like Travis Barker. Steve Smith is too low, as well.
    Well put.

    Rolling stone lists make me LOL. It's like citing wikipedia for a school report. Not good.

    One poster in this thread hit the nail on the head. Carter had some rough years around 05-07 and it was visible in both his face (pain) and in his execution - solid but none of the speed.

    That said you're comparing two different Carters. Carter pre-03/04 is different than Carter post.
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    Old 12-13-2010, 02:47 PM   #100
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    Well put.

    Rolling stone lists make me LOL. It's like citing wikipedia for a school report. Not good.

    One poster in this thread hit the nail on the head. Carter had some rough years around 05-07 and it was visible in both his face (pain) and in his execution - solid but none of the speed.

    That said you're comparing two different Carters. Carter pre-03/04 is different than Carter post.
    Rolling Stone isnt any better than radio stations playing what they are paid to put into rotation. They are a joke.
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    Old 12-13-2010, 02:48 PM   #101
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    Rolling Stone isnt any better than radio stations playing what they are paid to put into rotation. They are a joke.
    Yes. That's what I said.
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    Old 12-13-2010, 03:14 PM   #102
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    Yes. That's what I said.

    I was agreeing
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    Old 12-13-2010, 03:20 PM   #103
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    Re: Carter Beauford

    I dont know enough about drums
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    Old 12-13-2010, 03:25 PM   #104
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    Re: Carter Beauford

    I've been drumming for 74 years and it's a fact that john mayer is better at drum-writing than carter.
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    carter is amazing, but the guy did have a point when he said there are too many fanboys here. carter isnt hte greatest of all time. he is fucking amazing though.

    :::waits for simmons.
    I think once you get to the skill level of someone like Carter Beuford it's an opinion who is the best ever. I truly think carter is because of the way he plays. are there other people who are also deserving of this title? probably, bu my opinion as a musician is carter beuford is the best kit player ever.
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    Old 12-13-2010, 03:31 PM   #106
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    I've been drumming for 74 years and it's my opinion that john mayer is better at drum-writing than carter.
    fixed that for ya
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    Old 12-13-2010, 03:36 PM   #107
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    Old 12-13-2010, 03:51 PM   #108
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    Only my 2-cents: I remember the show I attended in September and recall thinking to myself......he's still got it. Nothing newsbreaking there, BUT, I do have a good bit of experience in drum/percussion music having been extensively involved in "band" growing up and marching drumlines and fiddled with a kit here and there. The way I find Carter's work different (and thereby "better" to me) than some of his peers is that he's works in a lot of rudiments into his kit style that makes his drumming far more technical than most. Sure lots of guys can bash hard, fast and make lots of noise......cue Lars Ulrich and other historically-metal drummers but my background in rudimental studies gives me, personally, a far greater appreciation for what carter does show after show after show. I've seen Danny Carey live w/ Tool and he's probably my second favorite for similar reasons, both studio tunes and his live performance are very technical, as with Carter. Neil w/ Rush right up there with them, but a lot of those others.......The Police, etc. give me a break, no where near these other three.

    Carter's ability to use his entire kit with ridiculous add-in touches and a true "percussionist" practice of using all his little gizzmo's as he accompanies Dave on lighter tunes (see Loving Wings, #40, etc.) are the mark of a true master of his craft, not just a "drummer" of which there are countless posers around the world. As far as his progression or digression, I really love Carter's work on the big whiskey tunes and how they've translated live, if you listen closely there's a ton of off-beat fills and notes much as he's made a habit of over the years. I admittedly know nothing about guitars or any other stringed instrument but drums I like to think I can talk-shop with folks. again, just my 2 pennies.
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    Old 12-13-2010, 03:56 PM   #109
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    Just as talented as ever. That being said, I think he's in alot more pain than he used to be, so he avoids some of the full kit rolls and has changed his style ever so slightly to compensate.

    There's no arguing that Carter is the man though.
    Is there something I don't know?
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    Old 12-13-2010, 04:10 PM   #110
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    Is there something I don't know?
    carter (supposedly) has to soak his body after every show for his muscles
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    carter (supposedly) has to soak his body after every show for his muscles
    (found that on the boards i have no inside info)
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    He might be a better soloist now, but as far as fills and small subtleties go, he was at his best from 99-00. Hardly much of a difference though, like I said, I think he's a better soloist overall now.
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    Old 12-13-2010, 04:28 PM   #113
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    He's better now than ever both live and in the studio. He is "the captain" as Stefan puts in, and with Big Whiskey they basically put live Carter onto CD for the first time. I have seen this band 65 times since 1999 and any notion that he has declined in any way is not based in fact because there is not a shred of evidence to support that claim. He is as fast and as active as ever and with the band's sound getting more muscular by the year, they depend on him more than ever. Long live Carter!
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    Old 12-13-2010, 04:31 PM   #114
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    carter (supposedly) has to soak his body after every show for his muscles
    At age 52 I think most guys are in the same boat after the sort of muscular exertion he goes through on the road...in the summer, outside, no less.
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    but a lot of those others.......The Police, etc. give me a break, no where near these other three.
    Are you really hating on Stewart Copeland right now? I'll listen to Copeland over Neil Peart 10/10 times without batting an eye.
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    Are you really hating on Stewart Copeland right now? I'll listen to Copeland over Neil Peart 10/10 times without batting an eye.
    Even Beauford loves Copeland.
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    Old 12-13-2010, 09:16 PM   #117
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    Hi y'all. My favourite drummer in the world is Carter, and ever since I heard him first he has been. However.

    I know i'll probably get shot down for this, but I prefer Carter's earlier style...

    I think the way his kit sounds for a start, I preferred his older snare sound (sharper and cleaner - no idea what snare he used though...), I think possibly the way he plays as well is less creative now. He is the most creative drummer I have ever heard, don't get me wrong, but I preferred his older more unique freshness.
    For example I heard Two Step in 2009, and wasn't really impressed with his solo, it was more flashy than creative, and he did the same thing the next night. And the next. Whilst it can't be his #1 hobby to make new solos for every gig, I think it'd be cool if we saw that creativeness coming back (in the solos) that I would argue he has had for years and years.

    Also just the extra subtleties that he used to play with that I appreciate, I feel, have decreased somewhat. I think he hasn't lost anything, it's obviously all still in there; he has skill out of this world, but it'd be sweet to see him playing it again

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    love it .
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    Old 12-13-2010, 11:01 PM   #119
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    I think once you get to the skill level of someone like Carter Beuford it's an opinion who is the best ever. I truly think carter is because of the way he plays. are there other people who are also deserving of this title? probably, bu my opinion as a musician is carter beuford is the best kit player ever.
    It is an irrelevant argument because there are too many characteristics to base it on.

    Do we do it on speed? If so, what type of speed? Singles? Doubles? Rudiments? Which rudiments? Hands or feet?

    Do we base it on styles played? If so, which one? How does one person's Rock compare to anothers Samba? Do we include the Nanego? Mozambique? Insert other style here?

    Do we base it on recordings or grooves? How does Carter stack up against Porcaro's Rosanna groove? Or Gadd's 50 ways? Or Bozzio or Colaiuta's polyrhythm assault on the barlines with Zappa?


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    Even Beauford loves Copeland.
    Yeah... "That Copeland thing... you know... that copeland thing."




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    The way I find Carter's work different (and thereby "better" to me) than some of his peers is that he's works in a lot of rudiments into his kit style that makes his drumming far more technical than most.


    We have the double paraddidle basis for the DIDO groove.

    ...and...?

    I don't see Carter playing much in the way of the original 26, 40 or Swiss Rudiments beyond what others do.


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    Stewart Copeland's abilities transcend beyond the kit into pitched percussion, as he demonstrated on The Police reunion tour. Additionally, he has composed numerous movie scores and even an opera I believe. That said, Stewart's greatest choice was his choice to let much of The Police material breathe.

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    Carter's ability to use his entire kit with ridiculous add-in touches and a true "percussionist" practice of using all his little gizzmo's as he accompanies Dave on lighter tunes (see Loving Wings, #40, etc.) are the mark of a true master of his craft, not just a "drummer" of which there are countless posers around the world.
    This we can agree on. It's more about touch and taste than notes.
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    Old 12-14-2010, 09:37 AM   #120
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    Carter was faster back in the day, that's about it.
    His syncopation and rhythm has gotten better throughout his career and he's overall a better drummer because of it.
    Just my .02

    EDIT - Copeland is amazing. He is not out of place on any "best of" drummers list.
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