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Old 12-12-2010, 08:09 PM   #61
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Rolling stone greatest drummers of all time:

1. Neil Peart (Rush)
2. John Bonham (Led Zeppelin)
3. Ginger Baker (Cream)
4. Keith Moon (The Who)
5. Terry Bozzio (Frank Zappa, Jeff Beck)
6. Bill Bruford (Yes)
7. Danny Carey (Tool)
8. Mike Portnoy (Dream Theatre)
9. Ian Paice (Deep Purple)
10. Carl Palmer (Emerson, Lake, & Palmer)
11. Stewart Copeland (The Police)
12. Dave Lombardo (Slayer)
13. Steve Gadd (Steely Dan)
14. Vinnie Colaiuta (Frank Zappa, Sting)
15. Carter Beauford (Dave Matthews Band)
16. Tim Alexander (Primus)
17. Simon Phillips (Toto, Jeff Beck)
18. Rod Morgenstein (Dixie Dregs, Winger)
19. Matt Cameron (Soundgarden)
20. Dennis Chambers (Santana)
21. Chad Wackerman (Frank Zappa)
22. Phil Collins (Genesis)
23. Mitch Mitchell (Jimi Hendrix Experience)
24. Virgil Donati (Planet X)
25. Max Weinberg (E Street Band)
26. Vinnie Paul (Pantera)
27. Ansley Dunbar (Jeff Beck, Whitesnake)
28. Mike Shrieve (Santana)
29. David Garibaldi (Tower of Power)
30. Steve Smith (Journey)
31. Josh Freese (A Perfect Circle)
32. Alex Van Halen (Van Halen)


http://www.listology.com/blindsider/...atest-drummers

(not that I agree I just saw this article in rolling stone a while back)
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  • Old 12-12-2010, 08:09 PM   #62
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    yeah, i agree with zach and chris. you really wont find an unbiased opinion here. for most, carter is the best drummer of all time out of nothing more than blind faith.
    blind faith? i've seen a ton of bands. carter brings the heat during live concerts as good as any.
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    Old 12-12-2010, 08:09 PM   #63
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    Rolling stone rated 15th of all time... Legit or not the fact that he's considered says a lot
    Rolling Stone doesn't know shit about music though.
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    Old 12-12-2010, 08:10 PM   #64
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    Rolling stone greatest drummers of all time:

    1. Neil Peart (Rush)
    2. John Bonham (Led Zeppelin)
    3. Ginger Baker (Cream)
    4. Keith Moon (The Who)
    5. Terry Bozzio (Frank Zappa, Jeff Beck)
    6. Bill Bruford (Yes)
    7. Danny Carey (Tool)
    8. Mike Portnoy (Dream Theatre)
    9. Ian Paice (Deep Purple)
    10. Carl Palmer (Emerson, Lake, & Palmer)
    11. Stewart Copeland (The Police)
    12. Dave Lombardo (Slayer)
    13. Steve Gadd (Steely Dan)
    14. Vinnie Colaiuta (Frank Zappa, Sting)
    15. Carter Beauford (Dave Matthews Band)
    16. Tim Alexander (Primus)
    17. Simon Phillips (Toto, Jeff Beck)
    18. Rod Morgenstein (Dixie Dregs, Winger)
    19. Matt Cameron (Soundgarden)
    20. Dennis Chambers (Santana)
    21. Chad Wackerman (Frank Zappa)
    22. Phil Collins (Genesis)
    23. Mitch Mitchell (Jimi Hendrix Experience)
    24. Virgil Donati (Planet X)
    25. Max Weinberg (E Street Band)
    26. Vinnie Paul (Pantera)
    27. Ansley Dunbar (Jeff Beck, Whitesnake)
    28. Mike Shrieve (Santana)
    29. David Garibaldi (Tower of Power)
    30. Steve Smith (Journey)
    31. Josh Freese (A Perfect Circle)
    32. Alex Van Halen (Van Halen)


    http://www.listology.com/blindsider/...atest-drummers

    (not that I agree I just saw this article in rolling stone a while back)
    One of the worst lists I've ever seen.
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    Old 12-12-2010, 08:11 PM   #65
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    Rolling Stone doesn't know shit about music though.
    Basing any opinions off of a rollingstone list is an instant failure.
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    Old 12-12-2010, 08:18 PM   #66
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    Shocker, you find the people that agree with you to be the most realistic posters . And as for DMB's balls being in my mouth, i apologize, i didnt realize its not cool to actually like my favorite band and compliment them as individual musicians.
    My favorite band as well. Believe me, they've truly changed music for me. But, that doesn't meant they're the best. Favoritism doesn't mean anything for abilities.

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    Explain that one.
    As a guitarist, Mayer destroys Matthews. Hands down, no contest.

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    Rolling stone greatest drummers of all time:

    1. Neil Peart (Rush)
    2. John Bonham (Led Zeppelin)
    3. Ginger Baker (Cream)
    4. Keith Moon (The Who)
    5. Terry Bozzio (Frank Zappa, Jeff Beck)
    6. Bill Bruford (Yes)
    7. Danny Carey (Tool)
    8. Mike Portnoy (Dream Theatre)
    9. Ian Paice (Deep Purple)
    10. Carl Palmer (Emerson, Lake, & Palmer)
    11. Stewart Copeland (The Police)
    12. Dave Lombardo (Slayer)
    13. Steve Gadd (Steely Dan)
    14. Vinnie Colaiuta (Frank Zappa, Sting)
    15. Carter Beauford (Dave Matthews Band)
    16. Tim Alexander (Primus)
    17. Simon Phillips (Toto, Jeff Beck)
    18. Rod Morgenstein (Dixie Dregs, Winger)
    19. Matt Cameron (Soundgarden)
    20. Dennis Chambers (Santana)
    21. Chad Wackerman (Frank Zappa)
    22. Phil Collins (Genesis)
    23. Mitch Mitchell (Jimi Hendrix Experience)
    24. Virgil Donati (Planet X)
    25. Max Weinberg (E Street Band)
    26. Vinnie Paul (Pantera)
    27. Ansley Dunbar (Jeff Beck, Whitesnake)
    28. Mike Shrieve (Santana)
    29. David Garibaldi (Tower of Power)
    30. Steve Smith (Journey)
    31. Josh Freese (A Perfect Circle)
    32. Alex Van Halen (Van Halen)


    http://www.listology.com/blindsider/...atest-drummers

    (not that I agree I just saw this article in rolling stone a while back)
    The problem with this list is the requirement: big acts. I can name 15 drummers NOT on that list that'd destroy every one of them. And it's obviously pandering, as Chambers, Colaiuta, and Gadd would make Peart look like Travis Barker. Steve Smith is too low, as well.

    So, this is obviously a joke of a list. Beauford at 15? For this list, ehh... but, of the true greats, not a chance.
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    Old 12-12-2010, 08:23 PM   #67
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    As a guitarist, Mayer destroys Matthews. Hands down, no contest.


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    True, but Dave has written far superior songs with original sounding guitar riffs. Mayer is technically good, but there are a million technically good guitar players in the world.
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    Old 12-12-2010, 08:26 PM   #68
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    Dave has written far superior songs
    This is pure opinion. Songwriting is subjective. I can find you a ton of people who will tell you Mayer is a better songwriter. I would disagree with them and side with you, but that doesn't mean we're right. Songwriting is not something that is quantifiable.
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    Old 12-12-2010, 08:33 PM   #69
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    True, but Dave has written far superior songs with original sounding guitar riffs. Mayer is technically good, but there are a million technically good guitar players in the world.
    Oh dear God.
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    Old 12-12-2010, 08:40 PM   #70
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    Re: Carter Beauford

    fine, I'll take dreaming tree and lie in our graves. you can have heartbreak warfare and why georgia.
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    Old 12-12-2010, 08:42 PM   #71
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    fine, I'll take dreaming tree and lie in our graves. you can have heartbreak warfare and why georgia.
    Why didn't you say Can't Stop and Smooth Rider vs. Belief and Slow Dancing in a Burning Room?
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    Old 12-12-2010, 08:47 PM   #72
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    Why didn't you say Can't Stop and Smooth Rider vs. Belief and Slow Dancing in a Burning Room?
    I like this reasoning.
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    Old 12-12-2010, 08:52 PM   #73
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    Why didn't you say Can't Stop and Smooth Rider vs. Belief and Slow Dancing in a Burning Room?
    I would still take those two songs. And those are both on par with the majority of John Mayers songs. Either way, this is neither the time nor place for this discussion.

    Back to Crater.
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    Old 12-12-2010, 08:56 PM   #74
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    I would still take those two songs. And those are both on par with the majority of John Mayers songs. Either way, this is neither the time nor place for this discussion.

    Back to Crater.
    I happen to think you're insane, but you're entitled to your opinion. The original point was Dave vs. John guitar-wise and obviously that shouldn't be a question. The fact that it is displays how biased this site is, and why RLLRRR shouldn't necessarily be persecuted for whatever his belief of Carter is.

    I don't know what exactly he said about Carter in the other thread, but everything he's said here I agree with. Carter is far from the best drummer alive...let alone the best of all-time.
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    fine, I'll take dreaming tree and lie in our graves. you can have heartbreak warfare and why georgia.
    When trying to argue Dave's guitar ability you chose Dreaming Tree?
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    Old 12-12-2010, 09:02 PM   #76
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    When trying to argue Dave's guitar ability you chose Dreaming Tree?
    Songwriting
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    Old 12-12-2010, 09:04 PM   #77
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    Did you all miss the fact that I said John is a better guitar player? Much better in fact. He just doesn't have the songwriting to skills to back it up. I argued for the fact that Dave, while not as technically proficient, can write unique songs that fit his guitar style (although, less so post 2000).
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    Did you all miss the fact that I said John is a better guitar player? Much better in fact. He just doesn't have the songwriting to skills to back it up. I argued for the fact that Dave, while not as technically proficient, can write unique songs that fit his guitar style (although, less so post 2000).
    But, he's getting there. Battle Studies is a great album, and a monster live. Heartbreak Warfare and Assassin are amazing. Give him some, and we'll be seeing some amazing Mayer stuff.

    Plus, the John Mayer Trio is amazing as well. Yes, a blues band, but still pure awesome.

    I love Dave's writing, and vastly prefer it over John's, but I recognize that John could play Dave's ass off any day of the week.
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    Old 12-12-2010, 09:16 PM   #79
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    Yeah, you know I don't think we actually disagree here. JMT was awesome. I guess after 8 years of JM being around I'm not holding my breath for greatness.
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    Old 12-12-2010, 09:18 PM   #80
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    Guitar playing is important, but I think songwriting is more important when it comes to the genre and crowd that Dave and John both seem to play for.
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    Old 12-12-2010, 09:19 PM   #81
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    Yeah, you know I don't think we actually disagree here. JMT was awesome. I guess after 8 years of JM being around I'm not holding my breath for greatness.
    Yeah, I understand. But, Mayer writes for the pop genre. He knows some of it's cheese, but hell, he got Jennifer Aniston, so...
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    Yeah, I understand. But, Mayer writes for the pop genre. He knows some of it's cheese, but hell, he got Jennifer Aniston, so...
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    Old 12-12-2010, 09:26 PM   #83
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    JM already achieved greatness with Continuum. That album was brilliant. Battle Studies is okay but nothing compared to Continuum IMO. And yes, JMT kicks ass. Steve Jordan FTW.

    Steve Jordan <-- one of those drummers you "Carter is the greatest eva!!!" people should look into.
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    Old 12-12-2010, 09:31 PM   #84
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    close this shitthread.



    and pray that Aaron Rodgers plays next Sunday
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    Old 12-12-2010, 11:24 PM   #85
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    8 people need their brain checked.
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    Old 12-12-2010, 11:50 PM   #86
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    Carter is not the problem with this band.
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    Carter is not the problem with this band.
    Yeah, it's the strained relationships.
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    Yeah, it's the strained relationships.
    And laziness...and shitty new violins...and scatting...and trumpets...and...
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    Old 12-13-2010, 12:02 AM   #89
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    i dont agree with the guy, but if he has alot of background with the instrument and knows his stuff, i dont think it warrents all you people talking down on him like hes trash or something.

    its sad sometimes.
    As a drummer for 20 years I can absolutely say Carter has only improved as the years have went on.
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    Old 12-13-2010, 12:04 AM   #90
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    Yeah, it's the strained relationships.
    I hope this is sarcasm.
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