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Old 01-31-2017, 02:37 PM   #121
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Re: The Batman - Solo Batfleck Film (Release: TBA)

loved MoS and BvS but it's disappointing to see WB/DC fumble what should be a cool franchise thing
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    Likewise. This really had me deflated last night when the news broke. I've been patient as fuck with WB/DC and now it's starting to run out.

    What's the old phrase? "First, they came for MoS, and I did not speak out--because I was a fanboy. Then, they came for BvS, and I did not speak out-- because I was a fanboy. Then, they came for Suicide Squad, and I did not speak out--because that movie sucked. Now, they have come for me and my Batman, and there was no one left to speak for me."
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    Old 01-31-2017, 03:30 PM   #123
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    DC just has no idea what they are doing.
    And unfortunately for them, Ben does. I wonder if they hindered him majorly from doing what he wanted.
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    Old 01-31-2017, 05:18 PM   #124
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    Likewise. This really had me deflated last night when the news broke. I've been patient as fuck with WB/DC and now it's starting to run out.

    What's the old phrase? "First, they came for MoS, and I did not speak out--because I was a fanboy. Then, they came for BvS, and I did not speak out-- because I was a fanboy. Then, they came for Suicide Squad, and I did not speak out--because that movie sucked. Now, they have come for me and my Batman, and there was no one left to speak for me."
    Nice.
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    And unfortunately for them, Ben does. I wonder if they hindered him majorly from doing what he wanted.
    In my estimation the biggest problem with the DCU has not been direction but narrative trajectory, uneven tone, and unnecessary studio intrusion.

    A lot of that can be driven by a good script. Ben can and should still have autonomy to dictate that.
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    Adding auxiliary characters for universe building would be fine (Green Arrow is the green guy with the bow. Mainstream audiences can pick up that just fine, like Hawkeye in Avengers; Cyborg is the techy weird robot Iron Man guy that controls things from the Watchtower, cool).
    I agree with this. Cyborg doesn't need a standalone movie. Heck, Aquaman and Green Lantern technically don't need them, but I would like to see them. . Martian Manhunter would be a fantastic movie if they do an origin story on Mars (white martian vs green martian war) but I doubt there would be much interest in that except hardcore comic fans.
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    I like the Kevin Smith idea....even though I am sure there is no chance.
    Somebody tweeted him about it and he was flattered but dismissive and actually said he hasn't talked to Ben in years, which caught me off guard.
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    Somebody tweeted him about it and he was flattered but dismissive and actually said he hasn't talked to Ben in years, which caught me off guard.
    The basically-former Mrs. Affleck is not a fan of Kev Smith. She broke that friendship down, apparently.
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    I'd be content with them just scrapping the DCEU and telling standalone Batman stories for the rest of time.
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    Apparently Chris Terrio (Argo, BvS, Justice League) has done a rewrite/revision of the script already being worked on by Affleck and Geoff Johns.
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    Apparently Chris Terrio (Argo, BvS, Justice League) has done a rewrite/revision of the script already being worked on by Affleck and Geoff Johns.
    That gives some hope where'd you read?
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    That gives some hope where'd you read?
    https://www.comicbookmovie.com/batma...en-the-a148593

    Rumors are that Affleck and Johns couldn't get along or come to an agreement so they brought Terrio in to keep the main story intact but tighten it/polish it off.

    I like Terrio. I thought the script in BvS was great.
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    https://www.comicbookmovie.com/batma...en-the-a148593

    Rumors are that Affleck and Johns couldn't get along or come to an agreement so they brought Terrio in to keep the main story intact but tighten it/polish it off.

    I like Terrio. I thought the script in BvS was great.
    to the bolded.

    Wonder what the issue is with Geoff and Ben. Interesting regardless.
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    to the bolded.

    Wonder what the issue is with Geoff and Ben. Interesting regardless.
    They both seem like very headstrong guys. I could see them wanting to take the story a different direction and not being able to resolve their differences. Hence all the talk about "we're working to make it right" from Ben the past month or so.
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    They both seem like very headstrong guys. I could see them wanting to take the story a different direction and not being able to resolve their differences. Hence all the talk about "we're working to make it right" from Ben the past month or so.
    True that...seemed like a great match though. Johns having the deep comic knowledge and Affleck knowing the "type" of story he wanted to tell.

    I've heard (and this is just pure speculation) that Ben's Batman script would have been a little more confined and more of a thriller type style.

    With all the uncertainty around DC/WB and the need for this to be the righting of the ship so to speak - I could see the studio pushing for something more bombastic and tentpole(ish) and directing/writing that just wasn't in BA's wheelhouse.

    Again - all speculative...but I can see that being a true thing.
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    I think having a small-scale or at least scaled-down Batman movie would be awesome.

    Kev and I have this roughly-conceived idea for a Batman movie that would be great. Have it involve the Court of Owls, who have secretly infiltrated City Hall, judges, etc., trapping Batman below the city and have him go through the maze (like in the comic book). Along the way Bruce hallucinates various encounters with villains (Riddler, Joker, etc.) which tie in some backstory; one could even be the death of Jason Todd. This way you weave in a lot of the Bat mythos without having to make whole movies out of them, give a little fanservice with featuring a bunch of different characters making appearances, and have a cool, thrilling, suspenseful story. You sort of have to read Court of Owls/City of Owls to see what I'm getting at, but I think with the right script and direction it could make for a smaller-scale but really exciting Batman movie.
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    I think having a small-scale or at least scaled-down Batman movie would be awesome.

    Kev and I have this roughly-conceived idea for a Batman movie that would be great. Have it involve the Court of Owls, who have secretly infiltrated City Hall, judges, etc., trapping Batman below the city and have him go through the maze (like in the comic book). Along the way Bruce hallucinates various encounters with villains (Riddler, Joker, etc.) which tie in some backstory; one could even be the death of Jason Todd. This way you weave in a lot of the Bat mythos without having to make whole movies out of them, give a little fanservice with featuring a bunch of different characters making appearances, and have a cool, thrilling, suspenseful story. You sort of have to read Court of Owls/City of Owls to see what I'm getting at, but I think with the right script and direction it could make for a smaller-scale but really exciting Batman movie.
    The kind of interesting/great thing about all the comic history is that none have really been even loosely adapted to live action.

    I'd be all for this idea and as you point out would be a good vehicle to flesh out the DCU's Batman - who it's been alluded to has been in action for ~20 years.
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    Court of Owls mixed with the return of Jason Todd as the Red Hood would be amazing. I could see all the rogues making their way in throughout the movie only to find out Joker is really the main villain that simply used the Court of Owls to mess with Batman. Jason Todd returns and is forced back into action with Bruce towards the end. Bruce has to tame Jason and try and keep him from killing the Joker.
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    Court of Owls mixed with the return of Jason Todd as the Red Hood would be amazing. I could see all the rogues making their way in throughout the movie only to find out Joker is really the main villain that simply used the Court of Owls to mess with Batman. Jason Todd returns and is forced back into action with Bruce towards the end. Bruce has to tame Jason and try and keep him from killing the Joker.
    I think it would also be a cool wrinkle to have Batman essentially defeated and for Jason to have a change of heart, swallow his pride, and end up saving Bruce.
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    I think it would also be a cool wrinkle to have Batman essentially defeated and for Jason to have a change of heart, swallow his pride, and end up saving Bruce.
    Sounds like Return of the Jedi.
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    I think it would also be a cool wrinkle to have Batman essentially defeated and for Jason to have a change of heart, swallow his pride, and end up saving Bruce.
    Yes. That was the missing element I couldn't put my finger on. I was thinking, "they work together and Jason seems to have turned towards good again, but then at the last second he kills Joker". But I really want to see them have a few movies with Joker and Batman. It's high time we see those two develop a real relationship over the course of a few movies. That's something that's been missing from any Batman saga on screen. A true telling and development of Batman and The Joker. They killed Jack Nicholson off after the first one and Heath died after his first go, so it's time to see them go at it a few rounds!
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    Sounds like Return of the Jedi.
    Honestly I've only seen the Star Wars movies like twice so that didn't even cross my mind, but now that you mention it, yeah, that's the exact ending
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    https://www.comicbookmovie.com/batma...en-the-a148593

    Rumors are that Affleck and Johns couldn't get along or come to an agreement so they brought Terrio in to keep the main story intact but tighten it/polish it off.

    I like Terrio. I thought the script in BvS was great.
    Whenever I read something like this about a movie, book, play, etc. I always wonder if it's literally two people in a room shouting at each other "NO! Catwoman will not seduce Bruce Wayne by purring his name!" "I don't understand why that's so hard to comprehend - she's CATwoman!"

    Just seems kinda silly in my head.
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    loved MoS and BvS but it's disappointing to see WB/DC fumble what should be a cool franchise thing
    It's not just The Batman having trouble. The Flash movie is getting a rewrite on the script.

    http://variety.com/2017/film/news/jo...te-1201969977/
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    It's not just The Batman having trouble. The Flash movie is getting a rewrite on the script.

    http://variety.com/2017/film/news/jo...te-1201969977/
    yeah I know, WW went through changes too, there's been issues with everything post BvS, people dropping out etc, it's disappointing bc MoS and BvS are great and now WB/DC is meddling and driving writers and directors away

    WW and JL are still anticipated movies for me this year but I wish Geoff Johns would fuck off and DC would get things in order
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    yeah I know, WW went through changes too, there's been issues with everything post BvS, people dropping out etc, it's disappointing bc MoS and BvS are great and now WB/DC is meddling and driving writers and directors away

    WW and JL are still anticipated movies for me this year but I wish Geoff Johns would fuck off and DC would get things in order
    They really are.

    The more BvS settles the better it gets. I realize I'm a DC homer. But man it's a good movie. It's very different than the Avengers or Civil War (which isn't to cast dispersions on those films), but I just don't think people knew what they were getting going in...and were disappointed by the grave nature of the film and it's conflict.

    I really can't pick on much of MoS or BvS other than the casting/acting of Eisenberg as Lex...that was a miss...at least in his first appearance.
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    They really are.

    The more BvS settles the better it gets. I realize I'm a DC homer. But man it's a good movie. It's very different than the Avengers or Civil War (which isn't to cast dispersions on those films), but I just don't think people knew what they were getting going in...and were disappointed by the grave nature of the film and it's conflict.

    I really can't pick on much of MoS or BvS other than the casting/acting of Eisenberg as Lex...that was a miss...at least in his first appearance.
    Here, here. Agreed on all accounts.

    The only thing I'll add is that the marketing/advertising for this movie was absolute shit. That definitely put them behind the eight ball, especially the second trailer which spoiled Doomsday. They also should have kept Wonder Woman a total secret. They blew their wad in the marketing so those big moments had no real impact in the theater because you knew they were coming.

    Other than that, the movie itself is amazing, especially the "Ultimate" version which WB should have just sacked up and released. It makes it a much, much better movie.
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    I've made it clear in some of the other threads on my thoughts regarding BvS, and suffice it to say I don't think it's nearly as amazing as you guys do and has some major flaws (although I REALLY liked elements of it) - but I did think it did a fairly good job in setting up the DCEU for a good run of future, hopefully better films. But at this point, it's amazingly clear that they are just grab-bagging.
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    Here, here. Agreed on all accounts.

    The only thing I'll add is that the marketing/advertising for this movie was absolute shit. That definitely put them behind the eight ball, especially the second trailer which spoiled Doomsday. They also should have kept Wonder Woman a total secret. They blew their wad in the marketing so those big moments had no real impact in the theater because you knew they were coming.

    Other than that, the movie itself is amazing, especially the "Ultimate" version which WB should have just sacked up and released. It makes it a much, much better movie.
    They blew Doomsday and WW because they weren't getting the response they wanted, and they wanted uber-nerds and girls to go see the movie. WB has no idea what the fuck they are doing. At all.
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    Re: The Batman - Solo Batfleck Film (Release: TBA)

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    They blew Doomsday and WW because they weren't getting the response they wanted, and they wanted uber-nerds and girls to go see the movie. WB has no idea what the fuck they are doing. At all.
    Well, the nerds were gonna see it no matter what. It was the GA/non-nerd audience they were after.

    Agreed that it is becoming more and more apparent that WB is spiraling out of control. They should turn these properties over to people who know what the fuck they're doing.
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