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[hopewelljones]

Goddamn, DMB is the stupidest fucking band.

Take control over your music. Nobody gives a shit about album sales or single success.

Your tours are cash cows. You “made it” 25 years ago. These decisions being made by executives are just ridiculously silly at this point. Truly just baffling, how stupidly unique these guys have to be.


Side rant: I’ve seen so many times that Windows can’t be released now because its time of relevance has passed. A few thoughts: One, all of you/us would still lap it up, let’s be real. And by lap it up I just mean listen to it! No one is buying music anymore, so fuck this idea of needing to capitalize on it. Two, can art only touch on current events, and then can’t be expressed again? Like is DDTW irrelevant now because the Trail of Tears isn’t active anymore? Come on. Windows will always be a song about Covid response. It will always be a song that WAS WRITTEN at that time. It’s still impactful art with a meaningful message, even though quarantine is “over.”

[jssmith6]

Can any of the insiders actually 100% say it is the record label? And if you can’t and it is 100% them to blame for delays, can you explain why you aren’t able to talk about them. Also, are we really thinking this is all on the record label. I could see like 50/50 Dave and record label since Dave is such a perfectionist.

[Robio]

If the stories are true, then Dave is a soy boy beta cuck.

[bibby1044]

Originally Posted by wvufan2010

If everything here is true, Dave needs to get Taylor Swift on the phone haha.


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Sad to admit I thought about this yesterday if they were that desperate for a single 😂. Don’t even need her as a guest just collaborate on a chorus haha

[bibby1044]

Originally Posted by jssmith6

Can any of the insiders actually 100% say it is the record label? And if you can’t and it is 100% them to blame for delays, can you explain why you aren’t able to talk about them. Also, are we really thinking this is all on the record label. I could see like 50/50 Dave and record label since Dave is such a perfectionist.

I think we can assume that some of the insiders sources are connected with the labels maybe even employed by it and that’s the source of their information and don’t want to risk outting their sources by sharing too much here.

[DaveCrave41]

Originally Posted by bibby1044

Sad to admit I thought about this yesterday if they were that desperate for a single 😂. Don’t even need her as a guest just collaborate on a chorus haha

I believe they were referring to how Taylor Swift rereleased an album she made specifically saying this is how I wanted it to go, like a middle finger to the studio that made changes she didn't like.

[Speilmen230]

This thread has officially hit perpetual motion status. It will just keep going.

[RSSR]

Originally Posted by hopewelljones

Goddamn, DMB is the stupidest fucking band.

Take control over your music. Nobody gives a shit about album sales or single success.

Your tours are cash cows. You “made it” 25 years ago. These decisions being made by executives are just ridiculously silly at this point. Truly just baffling, how stupidly unique these guys have to be.


Side rant: I’ve seen so many times that Windows can’t be released now because its time of relevance has passed. A few thoughts: One, all of you/us would still lap it up, let’s be real. And by lap it up I just mean listen to it! No one is buying music anymore, so fuck this idea of needing to capitalize on it. Two, can art only touch on current events, and then can’t be expressed again? Like is DDTW irrelevant now because the Trail of Tears isn’t active anymore? Come on. Windows will always be a song about Covid response. It will always be a song that WAS WRITTEN at that time. It’s still impactful art with a meaningful message, even though quarantine is “over.”

Agree with all of this. Hell, Phish releases albums with seemingly no interference and I can't think of a Phish song that was Billboard 200. But I'm not a Phish fan.

[drop2d]

Originally Posted by Erich

Not "hip" enough with the "in" crowd?

I remember when they did SNL for the Everyday promotion. It was crap!

I remember that episode specifically for a skit about a fire at Drew Barrymore’s house. Tracy Morgan was hilarious.

[RSSR]

Regarding Everyday's promotion when they appeared on TRL with Carson Daly on MTV back in '01, we went decades without knowing who the guest guitarist was. I wonder how he was able to guest with them, that was his only guest appearance which further made it difficult to ID him.

[ericvol]

Originally Posted by Robio

SUAD would be a natural single. Bismark, TOT, Madman's Eyes could be successful as well. If the stories are true, these record execs are douches.

I thought it was interesting that Harris and Lillywhite both basically said that SUAD is a forgettable tune.

[monizzle145]

Originally Posted by RSSR

Agree with all of this. Hell, Phish releases albums with seemingly no interference and I can't think of a Phish song that was Billboard 200. But I'm not a Phish fan.

Phish created their own independent record company in 2005 so they aren't signed to a major. That's why they have more control and in 2005 their business model most likely favored going indy whereas in 2005 american baby was their most successful billboard single. 2 different bands with 2 different business models.

Obviously DMB looking back may regret staying under RCA but they were a billboard charting band and those bands were staying with majors.

[monizzle145]

Originally Posted by hopewelljones

Goddamn, DMB is the stupidest fucking band.

Take control over your music. Nobody gives a shit about album sales or single success.

Your tours are cash cows. You “made it” 25 years ago. These decisions being made by executives are just ridiculously silly at this point. Truly just baffling, how stupidly unique these guys have to be.


Side rant: I’ve seen so many times that Windows can’t be released now because its time of relevance has passed. A few thoughts: One, all of you/us would still lap it up, let’s be real. And by lap it up I just mean listen to it! No one is buying music anymore, so fuck this idea of needing to capitalize on it. Two, can art only touch on current events, and then can’t be expressed again? Like is DDTW irrelevant now because the Trail of Tears isn’t active anymore? Come on. Windows will always be a song about Covid response. It will always be a song that WAS WRITTEN at that time. It’s still impactful art with a meaningful message, even though quarantine is “over.”

Take a few steps back and grab a snickers lol. Artists on the same level as DMB have been stuck in back record contracts. The curse of DMB is that they were at one point commercially successful and I see this happen in hip hop as well.

Had DMB been able to see 30+ years into the future they may have done things differently but the music business is filled with artists who live to regret their contracts.

[grilldanmo]

Originally Posted by ericvol

I had someone tell me CHS weekend that CVILLE this winter is already in
The works…I’d think he’d have some info but not sure how rock solid that is. Wonder if Chad and those guys have heard?

What is CHS weekend? Is that alto carrot changing “this” to CHS?

[eggsrsweet]

Originally Posted by ericvol

I thought it was interesting that Harris and Lillywhite both basically said that SUAD is a forgettable tune.

To be fair, the LWS version is really underwhelming… it’s prob the worst song on there. But it did get a lot better live especially when they brought it back in ‘07 and put a lot more energy into it. I used to play the shit out of that version they released on the ‘07 Tour Sampler.

[bibby1044]

Originally Posted by DaveCrave41

I believe they were referring to how Taylor Swift rereleased an album she made specifically saying this is how I wanted it to go, like a middle finger to the studio that made changes she didn't like.

I agree with that too haha

[Speilmen230]

Originally Posted by eggsrsweet

To be fair, the LWS version is really underwhelming… it’s prob the worst song on there. But it did get a lot better live especially when they brought it back in ‘07 and put a lot more energy into it. I used to play the shit out of that version they released on the ‘07 Tour Sampler.

That version is the best one.

[ericvol]

Originally Posted by grilldanmo

What is CHS weekend? Is that alto carrot changing “this” to CHS?

Charleston SC!

[jaymas9]

Originally Posted by hopewelljones

Goddamn, DMB is the stupidest fucking band.

Take control over your music. Nobody gives a shit about album sales or single success.

Your tours are cash cows. You “made it” 25 years ago. These decisions being made by executives are just ridiculously silly at this point. Truly just baffling, how stupidly unique these guys have to be.


Side rant: I’ve seen so many times that Windows can’t be released now because its time of relevance has passed. A few thoughts: One, all of you/us would still lap it up, let’s be real. And by lap it up I just mean listen to it! No one is buying music anymore, so fuck this idea of needing to capitalize on it. Two, can art only touch on current events, and then can’t be expressed again? Like is DDTW irrelevant now because the Trail of Tears isn’t active anymore? Come on. Windows will always be a song about Covid response. It will always be a song that WAS WRITTEN at that time. It’s still impactful art with a meaningful message, even though quarantine is “over.”

Love this.

[jaymas9]

Originally Posted by monizzle145

Take a few steps back and grab a snickers lol. Artists on the same level as DMB have been stuck in back record contracts. The curse of DMB is that they were at one point commercially successful and I see this happen in hip hop as well.

Had DMB been able to see 30+ years into the future they may have done things differently but the music business is filled with artists who live to regret their contracts.

I don't think he's mad haha. Just a nice, relevant little rant. DMB re-upped with RCA, did not have to do that. And where's RCA's leverage anyway, DMB still is commercially successful. We can downplay it all we want, but they release an album and it performs well, every time.

What's RCA going to do if DMB was like, "nah thanks for your feedback, but this is what we're feeling." They not going to help distribute the record? At this point in DMB's career, contracts aside, if you're letting executives from an antiquated and unnecessary business type influence your creative output...you're doing it wrong. Unless there is some man or woman at RCA we don't know about that the band really leans on for constructive creative feedback...this whole thing is really a relic from another time that should not be a thing.

[RSSR]

Originally Posted by hopewelljones

Goddamn, DMB is the stupidest fucking band.

Take control over your music. Nobody gives a shit about album sales or single success.

Your tours are cash cows. You “made it” 25 years ago. These decisions being made by executives are just ridiculously silly at this point. Truly just baffling, how stupidly unique these guys have to be.


Side rant: I’ve seen so many times that Windows can’t be released now because its time of relevance has passed. A few thoughts: One, all of you/us would still lap it up, let’s be real. And by lap it up I just mean listen to it! No one is buying music anymore, so fuck this idea of needing to capitalize on it. Two, can art only touch on current events, and then can’t be expressed again? Like is DDTW irrelevant now because the Trail of Tears isn’t active anymore? Come on. Windows will always be a song about Covid response. It will always be a song that WAS WRITTEN at that time. It’s still impactful art with a meaningful message, even though quarantine is “over.”

They could put Windows on some kind of benefit EP and people will download it/buy the CD. Unbelievable.

[jaymas9]

They could just release windows on the damn album. This whole "he wrote it during the initial quarantines" thing is probably the most overblown shit I've ever read haha. It's just a good song, and yes there are very clear connections to COVID, but the song could easily be about literal wartime, it's just a beautiful song.

Also, not like we're all going to forget about how we felt in 2020, there is just nothing about the song that "missed its window" or makes it "irrelevant now."

[Hahninator]

Originally Posted by DaveCrave41

I believe they were referring to how Taylor Swift rereleased an album she made specifically saying this is how I wanted it to go, like a middle finger to the studio that made changes she didn't like.

Didn't listen to it yet. What TS album are they talking about? She's had full creative control on the final cuts of things for quite some time so it must be the Fearless album. Either that or literally no one thought it was a good idea to release a 10 minute version of All Too Well in 2012 or whatever year it was.

[Whiteyxc514]

Anyone care to provide a quick recap of the recent discussions?

I haven't read everything, but from what I gather, the band had an album ready to go and RCA pushed back because it didn't have a catchy enough single and that's part of the reason for the delay?

[RSSR]

That's about the size of it. Oh, and BarkRock says September/October release....maybe.

[jaymas9]

Originally Posted by Hahninator

Didn't listen to it yet. What TS album are they talking about? She's had full creative control on the final cuts of things for quite some time so it must be the Fearless album. Either that or literally no one thought it was a good idea to release a 10 minute version of All Too Well in 2012 or whatever year it was.

She doesn't own the rights to any of her music through 1989...or at the very least fearless, red, and 1989, so she's re-recording all of them as "Taylor's version" and that's most likely what will be played for the rest of time. She's also releasing a bunch of bonus shit with each re-recording and she's through 2 of the 3 albums she's doing.

I may have some details incorrect, but overall, just a total boss move.

[jaymas9]

Originally Posted by RSSR

That's about the size of it. Oh, and BarkRock says September/October release....maybe.

I'm worried it had to do with more than just a single (as quite frankly the 3 main tunes their still playing are some of the catchiest tunes I've heard from dmb in awhile), and there was pushback on the overall vibe or song collection in general.

[madhatter]

Originally Posted by Hahninator

Didn't listen to it yet. What TS album are they talking about? She's had full creative control on the final cuts of things for quite some time so it must be the Fearless album. Either that or literally no one thought it was a good idea to release a 10 minute version of All Too Well in 2012 or whatever year it was.

She's done it with two albums -- Fearless and Red -- due to a dispute with Scooter Braun & Big Machine, who owned the masters for her first six albums. So, she re-recorded them in order to have full ownership over her back catalog.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taylor...rs_controversy

[madhatter]

Originally Posted by RSSR

That's about the size of it. Oh, and BarkRock says September/October release....maybe.

Scootlebug said that.

[BarkRock]

Originally Posted by madhatter

Scootlebug said that.

correct. Mine was more vague "Late Summer/Early Fall" --- That is what I was told.