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Old 09-19-2011, 10:31 AM   #61
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Frankly, I have no interest in a band playing the same songs they played 15 years ago. If you wanted to see those songs, you should have gone to those tours. Just because you found a band late, doesn't mean the band has to regress to playing the same sets they did in 1996.
Yeah, playing better setlists filled with great songs every night is clearly a sign of regression.
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    Frankly, I have no interest in a band playing the same songs they played 15 years ago. If you wanted to see those songs, you should have gone to those tours. Just because you found a band late, doesn't mean the band has to regress to playing the same sets they did in 1996.
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    A lot of it is people discovering the band in 2008, going to 10 shows a year, and then complaining that they hear songs so much, or see them on setlists so much, when they spend their Friday and Saturday nights feverishly hitting refresh.

    Go to a show, pick up a live album here and there, and you'll really enjoy yourself.

    The fans have over-saturated themselves, and then they begin to resent that.

    They've never had this huge diversity in setlists, and they're setlists are more diverse now than ever.
    You know, I've watched you post a lot of stuff that frankly makes no sense, but the two bolded points are really driving me nuts. "If I wanted to see those songs I should have seen them 15 years ago"?!? How about all those fans that didn't pick up the band until 2008? They can't hope for great older (and frankly, better) songs just because they're late to the party? That makes no sense whatsoever.

    Yes, fans have oversaturated themselves (although following setlists is not new; it's been around since the days of the DMBML), but the band has oversaturated the fans, too, with the repetition of material they've been driving into the ground for the last three years. Lots of debuts don't equal lots of diversity when they last for two shows and disappear again while the same core of songs sits around for 30 or 40 nights a year. Some people just choose to care more, but it's a fault in pointing out what they'd like to see done better.
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    Old 09-19-2011, 10:34 AM   #63
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    So, the rest of the band doesn't put effort into what they do? May I ask why you pay to see a band where 1/7 members put effort into their creations?
    That's not what I said at all. It's obvious that everyone in the band besides Boyd is actively contributing to the progression of this group and working to improve their proficiency on their own instruments. However, a change in the people around Dave produced a burst of creativity that we hadn't seen (or seen since, IMO) since BTCS in 1998. I think it was just the change in environment and artists, not necessarily the amount of effort.
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    He didn't say anything like that. He said that Dave solo brings out different and interesting aspects of Dave's work as a songwriter, and at the time of Some Devil, it was miles ahead of what he was doing with the band. I can easily see an argument that another project where Dave wrote without the band could yield some amazing results. Whether or not it has anything to do with the relative quality, or a person's opinion, of Big Whiskey is another story, but there's an argument that could be made to that effect, too. As to your question, though, keep in mind that Big Whiskey was, in fact, the first DMB album where all members got songwriting credits; Dave had 95% of them before that.
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    Dave could taken a poop on CD and it might've been significantly better than ED. Also, I don't consider ED a 'full band' album either as it was already written by Dave (and Glenn) with music charts for the band.
    Am I the only one that listened to Some Devil (which I do like btw, it just took a bit to grow on me) and thought, "man this would be better with the full band? Especially Carter?"
    I actually thought the beauty in Some Devil is somewhat related to the absence of the regular band members, and really benefited from the sounds of a whole different group of artists.
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    Old 09-19-2011, 10:36 AM   #64
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    Yeah, playing better setlists filled with great songs every night is clearly a sign of regression.
    pretty sure that's not what he's saying. but i don't think it would be cool if they never played anything new and only stuck with what they wrote pre 2001.
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    Old 09-19-2011, 10:37 AM   #65
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    The two bolded parts are at odds. It's tough to say "only play new songs for a year because otherwise they get stale" but follow that up with "play older songs more, because they do not get stale." For the people on stage (and really I'm referring to Dave here since we all know he's running the show when it comes to setlist-writing), maybe those old songs are way more stale than the new ones.

    We tend to look at how often songs have been played during a much smaller window, which is why we say things like "since 2007 Cornbread has been played 202 times but Tripping Billies has only been played 83 times." That's a true statement. But so is this: "since 1991, Tripping Billies has been played 893 times, and Cornbread has been played 202 times."

    I'm not saying one way of looking at the numbers is any better than the other; I'm just pointing out a possible reason why the guy making the setlists might not look forward to playing a classic song for the umpteenth time as much as we all look forward to hearing it. Plenty of older songs stay nearly identical each time they are played (DIDO, BOWA, SMTS, Granny) - that's, stale, right? Most of us fans would like them at almost every show, but if you were writing a setlist and considering playing BOWA for the 359th time or playing Alligator Pie for the 63rd, maybe you'd look at the BW song as being considerably less "stale" after all.
    I don't think they're at odds because the ones I'm referring to are the ones that have sat on the shelf, not the ones that turn up 9-10 times a year. As the catalog grows, there's just got to be a happier medium. I understand where Dave's coming from; don't misunderstand me about that, and I think your assumption is probably the right one. Still, the overreliance on new material, while understandable, is bothersome. I don't want the band to become a greatest hits jukebox, but there is an appreciable difference between playing a song every Tuesday for 900 people in 1993 and never playing it for 19,000 people in 2011 who may never have heard it at all.
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    I don't really understand people thinking that a solo album would somehow be better than a full band album. Last time I checked, it's the same dude that writes the tunes.

    I think for the rest of Dave's career he will be more suited to writing slower, more relaxed songs and I think the fanbase is more interested in hearing new Some Devil-type songs more than Big Whiskey-type songs.
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    You know, I've watched you post a lot of stuff that frankly makes no sense, but the two bolded points are really driving me nuts. "If I wanted to see those songs I should have seen them 15 years ago"?!? How about all those fans that didn't pick up the band until 2008? They can't hope for great older (and frankly, better) songs just because they're late to the party? That makes no sense whatsoever.

    Yes, fans have oversaturated themselves (although following setlists is not new; it's been around since the days of the DMBML), but the band has oversaturated the fans, too, with the repetition of material they've been driving into the ground for the last three years. Lots of debuts don't equal lots of diversity when they last for two shows and disappear again while the same core of songs sits around for 30 or 40 nights a year. Some people just choose to care more, but it's not a fault in pointing out what they'd like to see done better.
    Shit. Fixed now. Otherwise I make no sense, either...
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    Old 09-19-2011, 10:43 AM   #68
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    Dave solo album please.
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    Old 09-19-2011, 11:02 AM   #69
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    While I can certainly understand long-time fans' concerns that more new music will further decrease the amount of plays of the classics, I really cannot fathom why anyone would not want their favorite (one of their favorites?) bands to continue to make new music. Is there a risk it will not be up to the standards of the classics? Of course, but that's a risk I want them to take.

    I agree with what someone else said, if they stop being a creative force, they's probably hang it up as a band. And that's how it should be. They can always come to your local casino in about 15 years and crank out some classics for you.
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    Dave solo album please.
    Why? The band has proved that they can make a very well written and produced album. Continue this.
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    Just play Shotgun, Sugar Will and Crazy Easy each night
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    Old 09-19-2011, 11:23 AM   #72
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    Why? The band has proved that they can make a very well written and produced album. Continue this.
    i agree. i would love to see what this group can come up with collectively for the next album.
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    Why? The band has proved that they can make a very well written and produced album. Continue this.
    and album like Some Devil is what i want. simple enough
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    You know, I've watched you post a lot of stuff that frankly makes no sense, but the two bolded points are really driving me nuts. "If I wanted to see those songs I should have seen them 15 years ago"?!? How about all those fans that didn't pick up the band until 2008? They can't hope for great older (and frankly, better) songs just because they're late to the party? That makes no sense whatsoever.

    Yes, fans have oversaturated themselves (although following setlists is not new; it's been around since the days of the DMBML), but the band has oversaturated the fans, too, with the repetition of material they've been driving into the ground for the last three years. Lots of debuts don't equal lots of diversity when they last for two shows and disappear again while the same core of songs sits around for 30 or 40 nights a year. Some people just choose to care more, but it's a fault in pointing out what they'd like to see done better.
    He makes the same sort of point I make literally every. single. year. And it makes sense.

    1) The band's sets in the early years were extremely similar because they didn't have THAT much material. A lot of those songs are rarer now. A reason? They played them for a decade and are just tired of them. Hence, his if you want to see those songs go back in time argument. If the band is sick of playing songs then they're sick of playing songs. Sucks a lot of us missed their '95 days or whatever but that's time for ya.

    2) This is the problem. Yes, the band COULD and, quite frankly, SHOULD do better with sets. But they never have really. There was just at time when they didn't have bad songs haha. But even, as we saw on the DMBML, people complained back then, too. And every year everyone gets this idea back in their head that there was some magical time where they played 100 songs a tour and played every song equally and all the sets were complete surprises. When in fact every year it's like 70-80 songs but 15 of those are played 2 times, another 10 played like 5 times, another 10 played every show and the rest spread evenly. The caring is fine but so many people have this completely incorrect notion of something the band has never really done.

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    While I can certainly understand long-time fans' concerns that more new music will further decrease the amount of plays of the classics, I really cannot fathom why anyone would not want their favorite (one of their favorites?) bands to continue to make new music. Is there a risk it will not be up to the standards of the classics? Of course, but that's a risk I want them to take.

    I agree with what someone else said, if they stop being a creative force, they's probably hang it up as a band. And that's how it should be. They can always come to your local casino in about 15 years and crank out some classics for you.
    people here are definitely scared of new music, i think the whole stand up album kind of scarred this fan base in that matter, and now b/w being driven into the ground doesn't help. They came out with stand up, played it for a couple years, and now, the whole album (with the exception of maybe two songs) is not regularly played, for good reason, the fans don't like it..
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    Frankly, I have no interest in a band playing the same songs they played 15 years ago. If you wanted to see those songs, you should have gone to those tours. Just because you found a band late, doesn't mean the band has to regress to playing the same sets they did in 1996.
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    He makes the same sort of point I make literally every. single. year. And it makes sense.

    1) The band's sets in the early years were extremely similar because they didn't have THAT much material. A lot of those songs are rarer now. A reason? They played them for a decade and are just tired of them. Hence, his if you want to see those songs go back in time argument. If the band is sick of playing songs then they're sick of playing songs. Sucks a lot of us missed their '95 days or whatever but that's time for ya.

    2) This is the problem. Yes, the band COULD and, quite frankly, SHOULD do better with sets. But they never have. And every year everyone gets this idea back in their head that there was some magical time where they played 100 songs a tour and played every song equally and all the sets were complete surprises. When in fact every year it's like 70-80 songs but 15 of those are played 2 times, another 10 played like 5 times, another 10 played every show and the rest spread evenly. The caring is fine but so many people have this completely incorrect notion of something the band has never really done.
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    They added in a Boyd solo to Alligator pie...
    When did they do this? Sounds great!

    Also, this is awesome (the new music thing). I became a fan right after BW, so this will be my first time hearing a lot of new stuff released from the band.
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    Yes Please!
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    In order of personal preference, I hope these possibly soon-to-be "new" songs, are:

    1) formed, structured pieces of music with set lyrics
    2) reworked, structured/completed versions of their current 'gibber-jabber' tunes that could be finished,
    3) nothing at all. I'd rather hear GREAT, older music that has been perfected, compared to seeing a band struggle to make a new identity for themselves.
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    True, but Some Devil was significantly better than Everyday, and they came out relatively close together. Dave playing with a different band brought out the side of him that we all love; the Dave that can write interesting riffs, beautiful lyrics and actually puts effort into his creations.

    I'm excited to see what new music will be debuted either this fall or next summer!
    PLEAAASEE NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

    I don't want a fall tour!!! I know if they announce a fall tour I'll be going "Well that's a lot of money but fuck it! Lets do this!" and I really need to save up my money for now. I'd be perfectly happy with a tour next year that I can save up for and hear new songs then!
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    PLEAAASEE NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

    I don't want a fall tour!!! I know if they announce a fall tour I'll be going "Well that's a lot of money but fuck it! Lets do this!" and I really need to save up my money for now. I'd be perfectly happy with a tour next year that I can save up for and hear new songs then!
    I'd love a nice fall tour!

    Just skip the fall tour and save your money.

    Hopefully they'll be a CD release of a fall tour show so you can enjoy too.
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    I really, really, really hope all seven members of DMB hit the studio together for writing/composing/jamming sessions. Key to this will be that Jeff and Rashawn are fully integrated into the writing process.

    I have little to no desire for another Dave solo album.
    Nail hit directly on the head...especially the jeff and rashawn heavily involved in the creative process, big emphasis on Jeff. I want sax an integral part of the band again, and he can do it. We would have had that on BW if Roi had not passed, I certainly hope Jeff get's free reign in the creation process.
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    carter beauford is too old for dave to make a solo album. that would mean another 3 years or so until another dmb album. that just cannot happen---it would be a waste of the talent and creative energy that are in this band right now----so what jeff and rashawn and carter just sit around and play the same old shit until 2014? Fuck that, they're going to use their enormous talents to create some new material. carter is at the top of his game as much as anyone his age can be. more of his creative talent needs to be harnessed now, not when hes pushing 60. stefan lessard is on a binge of writing new material, to the point where he has posted so much shit on facebook that he gets about 6 'likes' per post. i hope he co-writes song structures with dave like they did for btcs.
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    I'd love a nice fall tour!

    Just skip the fall tour and save your money.

    Hopefully they'll be a CD release of a fall tour show so you can enjoy too.
    Come on now, we all know that if a fall tour is announced, it's impossible to say no.

    I have the problem of "Well, the show is within an hour of me, and if I skip it and they play an amazing show, I'm gonna be kicking myself for it"

    Like is the case with Atlantic City. I only made it to N3, which was the greatest show this year, BUT I still kick myself because I didn't go the first two nights, and therefore I missed Captain, Buena, and Idea of You, all songs I really wanted to see.

    Plus I missed N1 of Randalls, and kicking myself for that since I missed LIOG, Say Goodbye, Grey Street, PNP>Rapunzel, and Sweet.

    While I would absolutely LOVE to have a fall tour, I'd rather not and be able to save up my money for Camden, Scranton, Hershey, NY, maybe SPAC, and if they play there Atlantic City for next year. Maybe do a little Washington DC, maybe some Gorge...I have big plans for next year.


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    carter beauford is too old for dave to make a solo album. that would mean another 3 years or so until another dmb album. that just cannot happen---it would be a waste of the talent and creative energy that are in this band right now----so what jeff and rashawn and carter just sit around and play the same old shit until 2014? Fuck that, they're going to use their enormous talents to create some new material. carter is at the top of his game as much as anyone his age can be. more of his creative talent needs to be harnessed now, not when hes pushing 60. stefan lessard is on a binge of writing new material, to the point where he has posted so much shit on facebook that he gets about 6 'likes' per post. i hope he co-writes song structures with dave like they did for btcs.
    Very good point. I hope you're right.

    I enjoy Some Devil, but I really wouldn't care for another Dave solo album.
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    Dave's solo album (Some Devil) isn't even a solo album. If hes going to do one it should just be him or just with Tim. If hes going to record songs with a band why not do it with DMB. I would rather hear DMB songs anyway.

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    Old 09-19-2011, 02:35 PM   #87
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    I'm down for more new music, but i don't want another album tour. I like variety in the sets... and variety/unpredictability was what made the caravans extra exciting! )at least for the first few stops)
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    Old 09-19-2011, 02:37 PM   #88
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    PLEAAASEE NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

    I don't want a fall tour!!! I know if they announce a fall tour I'll be going "Well that's a lot of money but fuck it! Lets do this!" and I really need to save up my money for now. I'd be perfectly happy with a tour next year that I can save up for and hear new songs then!
    this. I can't not go, but I have no funds.
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    Old 09-19-2011, 03:05 PM   #89
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    Age is still totally irrelevant at this point.....
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    Frankly, I have no interest in a band playing the same songs they played 15 years ago. If you wanted to see those songs, you should have gone to those tours. Just because you found a band late, doesn't mean the band has to regress to playing the same sets they did in 1996.
    I apologize that I was 4 years old in 1996. You're right. I should never get a chance to see those songs because I was too young. Damn if only I was born earlier, then I could be able to hear some of DMB's best work. I guess I'm SOL
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