** College Football Season ** - Page 4180 - Antsmarching.org Forums
Old 11-23-2016, 11:56 AM   #125371
iMAC386
BOOMER!
 
iMAC386's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Posts: 9,253

Shows Seen: 1

Re: ** College Football Season **

If we're debating who should get the 4th spot in 2 weeks more focus should be on whether Washington deserves the autobid for the 4th spot. Their schedule is ass, and they're not playing their best ball at the end. PSU, OU, OkState (if they win out) would have better arguments and answer the "who are the 4 best teams" way better even despite their 1 extra loss.

All 3 of those teams would only have 1 loss with Washington's schedule too.
iMAC386 is offline   Reply With Quote

  • Want to hide all ads on Ants? Click here
  • Old 11-23-2016, 11:59 AM   #125372
    TheLastPig
     
    TheLastPig's Avatar
     
    Join Date: Aug 2010
    Location: Pittsburgh, PA
    Posts: 34,066

    Shows Seen: 51

    Re: ** College Football Season **

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by recentlyJTR41 View Post
    These comparisons make no sense. The NFL plays 16 games. This isn't the NFL, MLB, NBA, or NCAA Basketball. Comparing the CFB Playoff to any other post season is irrelevant.

    Colorado had two chances to impress the committee and make a statement to why they should be considered and they lost.
    Im not sticking up for colorado, you could pick a better team not included in those F+ rankings, like Oklahoma.

    You cant just assume the #1 team every year would just mop the floor with the #8 team. Thats very short-sighted. There are much better arguments against an 8 team playoff than "who wants to watch (my assumed thought) that the #1 team will kill the #8 team"
    __________________
    WVU


    Quote:
    Originally Posted by aoeiifreak View Post
    You hit some nerves because some people rely on logic and facts.

    Last edited by TheLastPig; 11-23-2016 at 12:01 PM.
    TheLastPig is online now   Reply With Quote
    Old 11-23-2016, 12:02 PM   #125373
    YouNeverKnow25
    "I like George Bailey"
     
    YouNeverKnow25's Avatar
     
    Join Date: Feb 2004
    Location: Pittsburgh, PA
    Posts: 32,652

    Shows Seen: 106

    Re: ** College Football Season **

    I think PSU gets housed by wisconsin anyway.
    __________________
    A toast, to my big brother George - the richest man in town.
    YouNeverKnow25 is offline   Reply With Quote
    Old 11-23-2016, 12:03 PM   #125374
    MOWJO8185
     
    MOWJO8185's Avatar
     
    Join Date: Sep 2004
    Posts: 8,377

    Shows Seen: 9

    Re: ** College Football Season **

    Posting the F+ rankings now is misleading because Colorado is likely to lose 1 of its next two games and not be in the top 10 in F+ by the time the playoff is actually announced. But sure, if they beat Utah and Washington, I'd be fine with them in a hypothetical 8 team playoff.

    After the CCG, I'll post a hypothetical playoff under the scenario I proposed compared to what an 8 team playoff would look like with the committee's top 8 rankings.
    MOWJO8185 is offline   Reply With Quote
    Old 11-23-2016, 12:04 PM   #125375
    CrushB610
     
    CrushB610's Avatar
     
    Join Date: Jul 2012
    Location: near Philly
    Posts: 3,998

    Shows Seen: 53

    Re: ** College Football Season **

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by MOWJO8185 View Post
    You seem pretty sure, and I'd be down for putting a wager on this if you are interested. Criteria would be that Washington and Clemson win out and finish with 1 loss (I think I agree with you that Penn State has a good shot if Washington loses a game). Wager is void if either Michigan beats Ohio State or Penn State loses in B1G championship game, as said scenario of Penn State as B1G champ wouldn't happen.
    I am a betting man, BUT the key variable is the committee which like you said are a bunch of shills lobbying for their own conference/interests. So wouldn't be a fair bet necessarily.

    I am interested in what the wager would be tho

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by iMAC386 View Post
    If we're debating who should get the 4th spot in 2 weeks more focus should be on whether Washington deserves the autobid for the 4th spot. Their schedule is ass, and they're not playing their best ball at the end. PSU, OU, OkState (if they win out) would have better arguments and answer the "who are the 4 best teams" way better even despite their 1 extra loss.

    All 3 of those teams would only have 1 loss with Washington's schedule too.
    My point exactly.. Washington hammered a bunch of shit teams and lost to the best team they've played. The advance metrics like the PAC 12 tho, not sure why.
    __________________
    Summer 2019: Camden N2, SPAC x2, Gorge x3
    CrushB610 is offline   Reply With Quote
    Old 11-23-2016, 12:05 PM   #125376
    hailtopitt
    Gimme that spatula!!!!!
     
    hailtopitt's Avatar
     
    Join Date: Jun 2005
    Location: pittsburgh
    Posts: 55,177

    Shows Seen: 43

    Re: ** College Football Season **

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by CrushB610 View Post
    Wouldn't matter if it was PSU/Ohio State or 2 other teams that I didn't care about.

    I'll say this again, most likely scenario is PSU and Ohio st both getting in.
    i disagree with that being the most likely...PSU still has to find a way to jump 3 teams in the rankings

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by recentlyJTR41 View Post
    These comparisons make no sense. The NFL plays 16 games. This isn't the NFL....
    says not to compare CFB to NFL...

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by recentlyJTR41 View Post
    They had their shot all year! They lost. That was the shot. They have two losses and it was against the two best teams they've played all year.

    The Jaguars and 49'ers are getting their shot at the playoffs right now and they're losing. That's their shot. The season. Should they get more shots?
    ....proceeds to compare CFB to the NFL
    __________________
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AJF_41 View Post
    realizing that you go from doing everything for them, to some day doing almost nothing...
    hailtopitt is offline   Reply With Quote
    Old 11-23-2016, 12:05 PM   #125377
    YouNeverKnow25
    "I like George Bailey"
     
    YouNeverKnow25's Avatar
     
    Join Date: Feb 2004
    Location: Pittsburgh, PA
    Posts: 32,652

    Shows Seen: 106

    Re: ** College Football Season **

    who has penn state hammered that wasn't a shit team?
    __________________
    A toast, to my big brother George - the richest man in town.
    YouNeverKnow25 is offline   Reply With Quote
    Old 11-23-2016, 12:06 PM   #125378
    hailtopitt
    Gimme that spatula!!!!!
     
    hailtopitt's Avatar
     
    Join Date: Jun 2005
    Location: pittsburgh
    Posts: 55,177

    Shows Seen: 43

    Re: ** College Football Season **

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by iMAC386 View Post
    All 3 of those teams would only have 1 loss with Washington's schedule too.
    absolutely no way of knowing this
    __________________
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AJF_41 View Post
    realizing that you go from doing everything for them, to some day doing almost nothing...
    hailtopitt is offline   Reply With Quote
    Old 11-23-2016, 12:08 PM   #125379
    CrushB610
     
    CrushB610's Avatar
     
    Join Date: Jul 2012
    Location: near Philly
    Posts: 3,998

    Shows Seen: 53

    Re: ** College Football Season **

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by hailtopitt View Post
    i disagree with that being the most likely...PSU still has to find a way to jump 3 teams in the rankings
    In these scenarios we've played out... Michigan will lose and be behind PSU, Wisconsin will have lost and be behind PSU. That's the way they jump 2 teams. Then it comes down to them and Washington.

    Thought that was understood....
    __________________
    Summer 2019: Camden N2, SPAC x2, Gorge x3
    CrushB610 is offline   Reply With Quote
    Old 11-23-2016, 12:09 PM   #125380
    CrushB610
     
    CrushB610's Avatar
     
    Join Date: Jul 2012
    Location: near Philly
    Posts: 3,998

    Shows Seen: 53

    Re: ** College Football Season **

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by YouNeverKnow25 View Post
    who has penn state hammered that wasn't a shit team?

    Who has Washington beat?
    __________________
    Summer 2019: Camden N2, SPAC x2, Gorge x3
    CrushB610 is offline   Reply With Quote
    Old 11-23-2016, 12:10 PM   #125381
    YouNeverKnow25
    "I like George Bailey"
     
    YouNeverKnow25's Avatar
     
    Join Date: Feb 2004
    Location: Pittsburgh, PA
    Posts: 32,652

    Shows Seen: 106

    Re: ** College Football Season **

    wow that was a classic ricky deflection ™
    __________________
    A toast, to my big brother George - the richest man in town.
    YouNeverKnow25 is offline   Reply With Quote
    Old 11-23-2016, 12:10 PM   #125382
    YouNeverKnow25
    "I like George Bailey"
     
    YouNeverKnow25's Avatar
     
    Join Date: Feb 2004
    Location: Pittsburgh, PA
    Posts: 32,652

    Shows Seen: 106

    Re: ** College Football Season **

    who has penn state hammered that wasn't a shit team?
    __________________
    A toast, to my big brother George - the richest man in town.
    YouNeverKnow25 is offline   Reply With Quote
    Old 11-23-2016, 12:11 PM   #125383
    TheLastPig
     
    TheLastPig's Avatar
     
    Join Date: Aug 2010
    Location: Pittsburgh, PA
    Posts: 34,066

    Shows Seen: 51

    Re: ** College Football Season **

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by hailtopitt View Post


    says not to compare CFB to NFL...



    ....proceeds to compare CFB to the NFL


    Was gonna let that one go, but im glad im not the only one who noticed
    __________________
    WVU


    Quote:
    Originally Posted by aoeiifreak View Post
    You hit some nerves because some people rely on logic and facts.
    TheLastPig is online now   Reply With Quote
    Old 11-23-2016, 12:11 PM   #125384
    hailtopitt
    Gimme that spatula!!!!!
     
    hailtopitt's Avatar
     
    Join Date: Jun 2005
    Location: pittsburgh
    Posts: 55,177

    Shows Seen: 43

    Re: ** College Football Season **

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by CrushB610 View Post
    In these scenarios we've played out... Michigan will lose and be behind PSU, Wisconsin will have lost and be behind PSU. That's the way they jump 2 teams. Then it comes down to them and Washington.

    Thought that was understood....
    right, they have to jump 3 teams and in this scenario they only jump 2 at most

    thought that was understood....

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by YouNeverKnow25 View Post
    wow that was a classic ricky deflection
    the trademark
    __________________
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AJF_41 View Post
    realizing that you go from doing everything for them, to some day doing almost nothing...
    hailtopitt is offline   Reply With Quote
    Old 11-23-2016, 12:11 PM   #125385
    Lee3691
     
    Lee3691's Avatar
     
    Join Date: Aug 2002
    Location: Californian in Texas
    Posts: 34,973

    Shows Seen: 119

    Re: ** College Football Season **

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by CrushB610 View Post
    2 of the 4 on the show so that's half right there.. and Rece is more than a host.

    Again I'm not saying the entire country will be up in arms, but if you think the only people who will have an issue with Ohio st getting in over PSU are PSU fans you are definitely wrong.
    Actually you did say the country would be upset:
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by CrushB610 View Post

    It does appear now that PSU and Ohio St are no longer competing for the same spot... BUT if you heard Joey Galloway and Danny Kanell last night, they did have an issue with a PSU B1G champ getting left out for Ohio St, which is the point I've been makin the last few weeks in this thread, that it would be a tough sell from the committee to the country and not just PSU fans would have a problem with it.

    There point was not that they have a problem with Ohio St being ranked above PSU, I don't have a problem with that, but there problem is with PSU being left out for Ohio St.
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by CrushB610 View Post
    Neither .. I'm just saying people will have an issue with it, Lee making it seem like no one in the entire world (PSU fans aside) would care tho.
    I did qualify my responses saying the vast, vast majority of analysts and the country at large wouldn't be concerned. I asked for you to point out the non-PSU fans on this thread who think Penn State should get in over Ohio State (under our hypothetical), but you haven't posted any yet.




    Quote:
    Originally Posted by CrushB610 View Post
    There Is a difference between losing your #1 CB and being down to your 5th, 6th and 7th LBs on the depth chart. Not making an excuse im just saying.
    Absolutely correct. The difference is when the injuries affect your team they are important, but other teams are not important.
    Lee3691 is offline   Reply With Quote
    Old 11-23-2016, 12:14 PM   #125386
    CrushB610
     
    CrushB610's Avatar
     
    Join Date: Jul 2012
    Location: near Philly
    Posts: 3,998

    Shows Seen: 53

    Re: ** College Football Season **

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by YouNeverKnow25 View Post
    who has penn state hammered that wasn't a shit team?
    Iowa... it's not about hammering teams. like I said PSU has and will have better wins than Washington has/will have.

    Reason Washington is even there right now is because everyone says how impressive they've looked in all their wins... but they haven't beat anybody of note, so not sure what's so impressive about hammering Oregon and Cal. They beat Utah who just lost to oregon, which is their best win. Not a great resume.
    __________________
    Summer 2019: Camden N2, SPAC x2, Gorge x3
    CrushB610 is offline   Reply With Quote
    Old 11-23-2016, 12:18 PM   #125387
    YouNeverKnow25
    "I like George Bailey"
     
    YouNeverKnow25's Avatar
     
    Join Date: Feb 2004
    Location: Pittsburgh, PA
    Posts: 32,652

    Shows Seen: 106

    Re: ** College Football Season **

    washington will have beaten 4 CFP ranked teams. penn state will have two such wins, according to the hypothetical.
    __________________
    A toast, to my big brother George - the richest man in town.
    YouNeverKnow25 is offline   Reply With Quote
    Old 11-23-2016, 12:20 PM   #125388
    CrushB610
     
    CrushB610's Avatar
     
    Join Date: Jul 2012
    Location: near Philly
    Posts: 3,998

    Shows Seen: 53

    Re: ** College Football Season **

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Lee3691 View Post
    Actually you did say the country would be upset:



    I did qualify my responses saying the vast, vast majority of analysts and the country at large wouldn't be concerned. I asked for you to point out the non-PSU fans on this thread who think Penn State should get in over Ohio State (under our hypothetical), but you haven't posted any yet.





    Absolutely correct. The difference is when the injuries affect your team they are important, but other teams are not important.
    I never said the country would be upset I said it wouldn't be solely PSU Fans that would have an issue with it.

    :LOL lee cmon, my point is that going to #2 on your depth chart is quite different than going to 5 and 6 on your depth chart. Like I said it wasn't an excuse but losing 1 player at one position is different than losing 4 at the same position.
    __________________
    Summer 2019: Camden N2, SPAC x2, Gorge x3
    CrushB610 is offline   Reply With Quote
    Old 11-23-2016, 12:21 PM   #125389
    CrushB610
     
    CrushB610's Avatar
     
    Join Date: Jul 2012
    Location: near Philly
    Posts: 3,998

    Shows Seen: 53

    Re: ** College Football Season **

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by YouNeverKnow25 View Post
    washington will have beaten 4 CFP ranked teams. penn state will have two such wins, according to the hypothetical.
    psu will have 2 wins vs teams in the top 6 > than 4 vs top 25 when 3 of the 4 are teams ranked #'s 20-25
    __________________
    Summer 2019: Camden N2, SPAC x2, Gorge x3
    CrushB610 is offline   Reply With Quote
    Old 11-23-2016, 12:22 PM   #125390
    TheLastPig
     
    TheLastPig's Avatar
     
    Join Date: Aug 2010
    Location: Pittsburgh, PA
    Posts: 34,066

    Shows Seen: 51

    Re: ** College Football Season **

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by CrushB610 View Post
    I never said the country would be upset I said it wouldn't be solely PSU Fans that would have an issue with it.

    :LOL lee cmon, my point is that going to #2 on your depth chart is quite different than going to 5 and 6 on your depth chart. Like I said it wasn't an excuse but losing 1 player at one position is different than losing 4 at the same position.
    The point is everyone deals with injuries, the committee is not going to give a fuck. Those injuries are not the reason PSU lost to Pitt.
    __________________
    WVU


    Quote:
    Originally Posted by aoeiifreak View Post
    You hit some nerves because some people rely on logic and facts.
    TheLastPig is online now   Reply With Quote
    Old 11-23-2016, 12:22 PM   #125391
    Lee3691
     
    Lee3691's Avatar
     
    Join Date: Aug 2002
    Location: Californian in Texas
    Posts: 34,973

    Shows Seen: 119

    Re: ** College Football Season **

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by CrushB610 View Post
    I never said the country would be upset I said it wouldn't be solely PSU Fans that would have an issue with it.

    :LOL lee cmon, my point is that going to #2 on your depth chart is quite different than going to 5 and 6 on your depth chart. Like I said it wasn't an excuse but losing 1 player at one position is different than losing 4 at the same position.
    Injuries are injuries. They suck, and it's a part of football. Why didn't Penn State have more depth?

    Also, I think you don't understand what "tough sell" means. Unless you meant to say easy sell.
    Lee3691 is offline   Reply With Quote
    Old 11-23-2016, 12:23 PM   #125392
    hailtopitt
    Gimme that spatula!!!!!
     
    hailtopitt's Avatar
     
    Join Date: Jun 2005
    Location: pittsburgh
    Posts: 55,177

    Shows Seen: 43

    Re: ** College Football Season **

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by CrushB610 View Post
    Iowa... it's not about hammering teams.
    actually, a lot of times it is about hammering teams...

    see: tOSU jumping TCU & Baylor

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by CrushB610 View Post
    psu will have 2 wins vs teams in the top 6 > than 4 vs top 25 when 3 of the 4 are teams ranked #'s 20-25
    i don't know that everyone would agree with this, including the committee
    __________________
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AJF_41 View Post
    realizing that you go from doing everything for them, to some day doing almost nothing...
    hailtopitt is offline   Reply With Quote
    Old 11-23-2016, 12:25 PM   #125393
    CrushB610
     
    CrushB610's Avatar
     
    Join Date: Jul 2012
    Location: near Philly
    Posts: 3,998

    Shows Seen: 53

    Re: ** College Football Season **

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by TheLastPig View Post
    The point is everyone deals with injuries, the committee is not going to give a fuck. Those injuries are not the reason PSU lost to Pitt.
    Never said the committee will care one way or the other.. but saying oh we lost our RG and now have our backup in, isn't comparable to being on your 4th - 6th string LBs . That was the only singular point I was making.
    __________________
    Summer 2019: Camden N2, SPAC x2, Gorge x3
    CrushB610 is offline   Reply With Quote
    Old 11-23-2016, 12:27 PM   #125394
    CrushB610
     
    CrushB610's Avatar
     
    Join Date: Jul 2012
    Location: near Philly
    Posts: 3,998

    Shows Seen: 53

    Re: ** College Football Season **

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by hailtopitt View Post
    actually, a lot of times it is about hammering teams...

    see: tOSU jumping TCU & Baylor



    i don't know that everyone would agree with this, including the committee
    Difference here is.. Ohio state beat a ranked (can't remember what # Wisc was) team 59-0 in the conference championship game... not a 4 win Oregon team
    __________________
    Summer 2019: Camden N2, SPAC x2, Gorge x3
    CrushB610 is offline   Reply With Quote
    Old 11-23-2016, 12:29 PM   #125395
    emu513
     
    emu513's Avatar
     
    Join Date: Jan 2005
    Posts: 9,947

    Shows Seen: 8

    Re: ** College Football Season **

    Iowa is definitely a shit team.
    __________________
    emu513 is offline   Reply With Quote
    Old 11-23-2016, 12:30 PM   #125396
    hailtopitt
    Gimme that spatula!!!!!
     
    hailtopitt's Avatar
     
    Join Date: Jun 2005
    Location: pittsburgh
    Posts: 55,177

    Shows Seen: 43

    Re: ** College Football Season **

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by CrushB610 View Post
    Never said the committee will care one way or the other...
    no, but other PSU fans do think that...

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by JRS1386 View Post
    PSU lost to Pitt when their defense was decimated with injuries. It also was an early season loss. Both of these things will be considered by the committee.
    and he isn't the only one i've heard that from
    __________________
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AJF_41 View Post
    realizing that you go from doing everything for them, to some day doing almost nothing...
    hailtopitt is offline   Reply With Quote
    Old 11-23-2016, 12:32 PM   #125397
    hailtopitt
    Gimme that spatula!!!!!
     
    hailtopitt's Avatar
     
    Join Date: Jun 2005
    Location: pittsburgh
    Posts: 55,177

    Shows Seen: 43

    Re: ** College Football Season **

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by CrushB610 View Post
    Difference here is.. Ohio state beat a ranked (can't remember what # Wisc was) team 59-0 in the conference championship game... not a 4 win Oregon team
    you said it wasn't about hammering teams

    but, sometimes, it is about hammering teams

    in fact, it would be even MORE important to "hammer" a bad team sometimes
    __________________
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AJF_41 View Post
    realizing that you go from doing everything for them, to some day doing almost nothing...
    hailtopitt is offline   Reply With Quote
    Old 11-23-2016, 12:33 PM   #125398
    dre2142
    Get it done
     
    dre2142's Avatar
     
    Join Date: Jul 2005
    Posts: 43,400

    Shows Seen: 32

    Re: ** College Football Season **

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by snow1868 View Post
    I don't like the thought of a non-division winning, non-conference champion getting into the playoffs, but it's undeniable that Ohio State is one of the best four teams in the country and I don't think it'd be a tough sell at all to CFB fans.
    Until they lose to Michigan...... and Speight being out could be their saving grace. (sorry, just saw Lees reply to this)

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by TheLastPig View Post
    I mean its not hard to figure out why. PSU squeaked out a win over tOSU. PSU lost to Pitt, and were getting beat badly before a late comeback attempt, and got crushed my Michigan. tOSU would have a win over Michigan. Plus the eye test favors tOSU greatly.
    Lets not forget who else Pitt beat.

    Last edited by dre2142; 11-23-2016 at 12:37 PM.
    dre2142 is offline   Reply With Quote
    Old 11-23-2016, 12:35 PM   #125399
    emu513
     
    emu513's Avatar
     
    Join Date: Jan 2005
    Posts: 9,947

    Shows Seen: 8

    Re: ** College Football Season **

    I'm sure the country would love for OSU to lose to Michigan. Would shut up OSU fans but more importantly would shut up Penn State fans. Would be a glorious day for the CFB world.
    __________________
    emu513 is offline   Reply With Quote
    Old 11-23-2016, 12:36 PM   #125400
    CrushB610
     
    CrushB610's Avatar
     
    Join Date: Jul 2012
    Location: near Philly
    Posts: 3,998

    Shows Seen: 53

    Re: ** College Football Season **

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by hailtopitt View Post
    you said it wasn't about hammering teams

    but, sometimes, it is about hammering teams

    in fact, it would be even MORE important to "hammer" a bad team sometimes
    You referenced Ohio State/Wisconsin from 2 years ago.. that is quite a different story from anything Washington has done vs the lesser opponents on their schedule.
    __________________
    Summer 2019: Camden N2, SPAC x2, Gorge x3
    CrushB610 is offline   Reply With Quote
    Reply

    Tags
    football, ncaa

    Thread Tools
    Display Modes

    Posting Rules
    You may not post new threads
    You may not post replies
    You may not post attachments
    You may not edit your posts

    BB code is On
    Smilies are On
    [IMG] code is Off
    HTML code is Off

    Forum Jump


    Want to hide all ads on Ants? Click here

    All times are GMT -4. The time now is 01:59 PM.


    Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
    Copyright ©2000 - 2019, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.


       
    Site LinksAbout AntsAnts MobileTweet Tweet
    Home
    Ants+
    Tour Central
    Search bar
    RSS Feeds
    About Us
    Contact Us
    The Ants Blog
    Advertise on Ants
    Privacy Policy
    Ants on your cell phone
    iAnts
    mobile news
    mobile setlists
    antslive!
    Ants' Twitter
    DMBLive Twitter
    Ants Facebook
    Ants Instagram
    Matt's Twitter
    Joe's Twitter