2020 Tour Rumors

[dontdrink36]

Stop watching the news. It is never good. Good news doesn't sell.

[podiumboy]

Originally Posted by dontdrink36

Stop watching the news. It is never good. Good news doesn't sell.

Good point. I personally have no fear of these variants. I already had Covid, so I have no real fear of it in general... at least for myself. As soon as my parents are vaccinated I will have no reason to give a shit anymore.

But I am worried about the implications that this nonstop doomsday machine known as the media will have on our society in general. Things are already closing based on the possibility of these variants being a problem, and that is what terrifies me. That is why I believe mass vaccination isn’t our ticket back to normal.

[dontdrink36]

Originally Posted by podiumboy

Good point. I personally have no fear of these variants. I already had Covid, so I have no real fear of it in general... at least for myself. As soon as my parents are vaccinated I will have no reason to give a shit anymore.

But I am worried about the implications that this nonstop doomsday machine known as the media will have on our society in general. Things are already closing based on the possibility of these variants being a problem, and that is what terrifies me. That is why I believe mass vaccination isn’t our ticket back to normal.

Mass vaccination and hospital numbers going down are the only option. I dont care about the variants. Covid is now the only thing the media can sell fear with. The election is over and the Biden administration is delightfully boring.so outside of Fox News no major news network has anything to draw eyeballs to them other than scary covid stories.

If you look for positive stories about Covid numbers there are plenty you just gotta search for them since its less interesting. Like actual sports analysis instead of talking heads yelling hot takes.

[twostepr41]

Originally Posted by podiumboy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qs1j-7ra8RU

It's like February 2020 all over again. Things like this video are what give me reason to believe that complete normal life is not coming back anytime soon, if ever.

We've been at this for a year. We are vaccinating millions daily. And somehow things have never seemed more grim.

This is in lock step with my prediction from March when Alabama started the orders on masks and distancing. I said it would get to a vaccine and then we'd see a mutation that makes us start over from scratch. Didn't see the 7, count em SEVEN new strains at once though. Even my "conspiracy" theory didn't see that one coming.

[Whiteyxc514]

The media has done more to fracture our country than Trump or Biden or Obama or Bush ever could. Just despicable stuff happening on both sides.


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[Whiteyxc514]

If/when the tour gets canceled, it would be fun if the band got together and did a few of things like this Tedeschi Trucks Band fireside sessions series: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTupu8wjGjY

[TypicalBilly14]

Dr. Anthony Fauci cautiously optimistic about return of fans for 2021 MLB season

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/...021-mlb-season


Let's announce the Dave & Tim 2021 Summer Tour already and get the show on the road. Kick the DMB tour to 2022. Let's Go!!!!!!!

[prdstmnky36]

We are still comparing sports and concerts, lol

[ExistenceNow]

Originally Posted by Whiteyxc514

The media has done more to fracture our country than Trump or Biden or Obama or Bush ever could. Just despicable stuff happening on both sides.


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Let's stay away from stuff like this. This has nothing to do with the tour.

[ToySoldier#34]

Originally Posted by prdstmnky36

We are still comparing sports and concerts, lol

I like how the current lineup sounds on So Right more than how Xander Bogaerts sounds at a plate appearance

[Whiteyxc514]

Originally Posted by ExistenceNow

Let's stay away from stuff like this. This has nothing to do with the tour.

I know. Sorry. Was just responding to posts above. Just so frustrated by the world we're living in right now.

[davetripping02]

Watching John butler play live in Australia with a large maskless crowd. Welcoming sign.

[ExistenceNow]

Originally Posted by Whiteyxc514

I know. Sorry. Was just responding to posts above. Just so frustrated by the world we're living in right now.

Understandable, and if you want to discuss it or just rage about it, feel free to pop over to the politics thread. We're currently discussing cats, but we can pivot back to the media.

[davetripping02]

I know different laws there but it's nice to see

[ExistenceNow]

Originally Posted by davetripping02

Watching John butler play live in Australia with a large maskless crowd. Welcoming sign.

My cousin is a pro baseball pitcher and is over there. He's told me it's like it never happened over there.

Don't get too excited though. They did what they were supposed to. We didn't. We're still not. We are not even close to being able to do what they're doing.

[prdstmnky36]

Originally Posted by davetripping02

I know different laws there but it's nice to see

Its not so much different laws, its a totally different situation. The country has been at about 15 new cases a day since September, in the entire country! We've been at like 100k on average since then!

[RiotAct]

Originally Posted by ExistenceNow

My cousin is a pro baseball pitcher and is over there. He's told me it's like it never happened over there.

Don't get too excited though. They did what they were supposed to. We didn't. We're still not. We are not even close to being able to do what they're doing.

nah, we should be actually fairly close (once the at-risk have all had the opportunity to get the vaccine across the United States). Keyword, SHOULD.

[WidespreadMule3]

Originally Posted by RiotAct

nah, we should be actually fairly close (once the at-risk have all had the opportunity to get the vaccine across the United States). Keyword, SHOULD.

Yeah, this. We're much closer than people realize. Within a month we're going to triple our daily averages. By Memorial Day we're going to have enough doses to vaccinated everyone 18+ and by August we're likely going to be sitting next to each other, maskless, in movie theaters and stadiums.

Important to remember, and I've said this so many times, the reason we shut down is to protect the hospitals. We don't shut down society when there's a bad flu outbreak and we're not going to do it much longer for COVID.

As more and more at-risk individuals are protected the better things will be. A hospital in St. Louis emptied out their COVID ward over the weekend. We're already seeing the averages plummet.

[podiumboy]

Originally Posted by WidespreadMule3

Yeah, this. We're much closer than people realize. Within a month we're going to triple our daily averages. By Memorial Day we're going to have enough doses to vaccinated everyone 18+ and by August we're likely going to be sitting next to each other, maskless, in movie theaters and stadiums.

Important to remember, and I've said this so many times, the reason we shut down is to protect the hospitals. We don't shut down society when there's a bad flu outbreak and we're not going to do it much longer for COVID.

As more and more at-risk individuals are protected the better things will be. A hospital in St. Louis emptied out their COVID ward over the weekend. We're already seeing the averages plummet.

I believe wholeheartedly that this is what SHOULD happen. I would be so happy with this outcome I might cry if it comes true. The sceptic in me just can't help but think that this is far too optimistic of an outlook. When you have fuckers like Fauci and Biden saying we "might be back to some semblance of normal by Christmas/End of Year/2022", and the media constantly peddling "Variant Fear Porn", I don't think it's going to be as simple as getting the numbers to a certain point and then opening everything up.

I would also like to apologize for my behavior last week. I realize now that I am being just as bad as the fear porn media that I hate so much. There are a lot of reasons to be optimistic. I just have such a deep seeded hatred and distrust of our government and officials, and I fear they are going to be standing in our way more than anything at some point.

On the plus side, my wife and all 3 of my Grandparents that are still living got their 2nd vaccine shots last week. Wife is a healthy 34 year old, and the next day after her 2nd one she felt tired and had a headache. The day after that she was back to 100%. Once my parents (early 60's) get their shot, I will breath a sign of relief, and start living my life as normal as possible. I'll get mine when I can.

[RiotAct]

Originally Posted by WidespreadMule3

Yeah, this. We're much closer than people realize. Within a month we're going to triple our daily averages. By Memorial Day we're going to have enough doses to vaccinated everyone 18+ and by August we're likely going to be sitting next to each other, maskless, in movie theaters and stadiums.

Important to remember, and I've said this so many times, the reason we shut down is to protect the hospitals. We don't shut down society when there's a bad flu outbreak and we're not going to do it much longer for COVID.

As more and more at-risk individuals are protected the better things will be. A hospital in St. Louis emptied out their COVID ward over the weekend. We're already seeing the averages plummet.

Unfortunately, I fear that decisions over the course of the year will be based on what COULD happen over what IS happening as far as hospitalization rate is. My son is starting kindergarten in September and I hope he can have a normal non-plexiglass experience, especially since teachers are part of the group that’s getting vaccinated as we speak.

[WidespreadMule3]

Originally Posted by RiotAct

Unfortunately, I fear that decisions over the course of the year will be based on what COULD happen over what IS happening as far as hospitalization rate is. My son is starting kindergarten in September and I hope he can have a normal non-plexiglass experience, especially since teachers are part of the group that’s getting vaccinated as we speak.

I think this is going to be the one time that GOP governors work to our benefit. These down-South gov's that are so ready to reopen that they were borderline normal ops back in summer 2020 are going to crash the gates late spring/early summer 2021 when the numbers are down. This is going to put pressure on other states to reopen especially when numbers are so low.

[RiotAct]

Originally Posted by WidespreadMule3

I think this is going to be the one time that GOP governors work to our benefit. These down-South gov's that are so ready to reopen that they were borderline normal ops back in summer 2020 are going to crash the gates late spring/early summer 2021 when the numbers are down. This is going to put pressure on other states to reopen especially when numbers are so low.

I knew they were good for SOMETHING!

[ISawTheBridge10]

Originally Posted by RiotAct

I knew they were good for SOMETHING!

I said a while back that the southern states are going to be used as a litmus test heading into the fall. Just wait until, and don't be surprised when, Alabama's football stadium is 75% full--maybe even 100%.

[twostepr41]

Originally Posted by ISawTheBridge10

I said a while back that the southern states are going to be used as a litmus test heading into the fall. Just wait until, and don't be surprised when, Alabama's football stadium is 75% full--maybe even 100%.

No way that happens. None.

[somuchtoplay]

The psychology of getting back to normal is going to hang us up more than the actual COVID situation. I am a pretty relaxed person and I have been careful, but not too extreme (I avoid strangers and wear masks in public, but not around my family/close friends). We attempted to take our kids swimming at the community rec center. It wasn't even THAT crowded, but our anxiety was pretty bad and we only stayed a half hour or so--historically, i am not an anxious person. I believe we'll get back to normal, but its going to take more time than we want...it was weird being in a public situation after being holed up for almost a year.



I'd rip off the band-aid and go to a show though...I miss live music so much.

[podiumboy]

Originally Posted by somuchtoplay

The psychology of getting back to normal is going to hang us up more than the actual COVID situation.



I'd rip off the band-aid and go to a show though...I miss live music so much.

This is a point I think a lot of people are underestimating. It’s not just about falling numbers and vaccines. A lot of people, including our fearless leaders, have been trained and conditioned for over a year... that’s not going to go away easily.

[dontdrink36]

Originally Posted by podiumboy

This is a point I think a lot of people are underestimating. It’s not just about falling numbers and vaccines. A lot of people, including our fearless leaders, have been trained and conditioned for over a year... that’s not going to go away easily.

Yes it will. They will just be reprogrammed and once they see others out doing cool stuff again and no reported increases in numbers they will join in.

[WidespreadMule3]

Originally Posted by ISawTheBridge10

I said a while back that the southern states are going to be used as a litmus test heading into the fall. Just wait until, and don't be surprised when, Alabama's football stadium is 75% full--maybe even 100%.

Originally Posted by twostepr41

No way that happens. None.

100% will happen. I'd be willing to stake my home on it. Alabama football will have a sold-out, full occupancy stadium this fall.

Originally Posted by dontdrink36

Yes it will. They will just be reprogrammed and once they see others out doing cool stuff again and no reported increases in numbers they will join in.

That's kinda where I am. It's easy to lean back into it. I've been going back into the office several days a week, as are many other employees, and it's amazing how quickly you slide back into comfort and normalcy.

[Dannyyankou]

At the beginning of the tour, limit tickets to warehouse members only at a limited capacity and live stream the shows at a cost. I think that’s what they should do.

[SoCalDMBLover]

Nothing has changed. Same as it's been since last March. The Virus will dictate what happens. The #'s will determine the course that's taken. Nobody can see the future with certainty, but things are certainly looking better now than at any point in the last 12 months.

Masks, Vaccinations/Herd Immunity, Social Distancing. Two of those Three are necessary for us to return to a sense of normalcy. Once enough people get vaccinated, and IF people can follow guidelines related to the wearing of masks, the restrictions surrounding social distancing can be gradually lessened. This is why many experts and some large companies, like Disney, are saying that Masks will likely be necessary through at least 2022. They are not saying that about social distancing.

That said, I still feel like somewhat restrictive social distancing is going to be with us at least until we reach a vaccination level approaching herd immunity, although perhaps not all the way to it. It is highly unlikely that America will be there before late Summer, at which point the guard rails could start to come down. Just not all the way. And they will certainly come down quicker for outdoor events than indoor. So yeah, by the time College Football rolls around, there might be stadiums that can be 50% or more filled.

As for concerts, the question may very well be, whether bands/acts are willing to forego a full house, even though in the past they'd decline playing without a certain payout. Perhaps venues, desperate to hold shows, might offer incentives, in order to reach some sort of compromise. But the fact remains, there is no way DMB is going to be playing to 25K+ at The Gorge over a 3 Day Labor Day Weekend, with everyone camping within a 3 mile radius.

I still don't see a chance of cramming 15K+ into an outdoor amphitheatre until at least year end. But 50-75% capacity shows by September, might have a chance. But again, the #'s and the virus will determine what occurs 6 months from now. For that reason, I could as easily see DMB scrap the entire Summer Tour and push it to 2022, as I could them postponing to this Fall or Summer 2022, the first part of the tour, while leaving intact the dates After The Gorge.