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Old 04-08-2020, 12:48 PM   #6121
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I'm sure they will negotiate something, but if they vote on a scenario where games are played and some players can't bring themselves to agree to the conditions to play (autoimmune disease, at-risk family), I'm guessing they aren't getting their fully guaranteed contract value, no matter how high-profile. The contracts were all signed with the assumption of ticketing and especially TV money backing them up. Plus sport ownership groups are typically greedy bastards...they regularly threaten to move teams out of cities if they dont get their sparkly new stadiums/renovations...if they would rip out the heart of an entire city, I guarantee you they would screw over their players. Sport owners are just awful, I guess that is my main point in all this (I have been scarred for life from Art Modell), and I would put nothing past them.
You're absolutely right: sports owners are all awful. With the exception of maybe a handful ie Mark Cuban (I think?) they are all shitty and immoral.

That's why there should be no negotiation on behalf of the MLB players union. The contracts were signed, they are guaranteed, give them their money.

I love this idea that the money isn't coming in to MLB owners like they are pinching pennies living paycheck to paycheck. Oh, you're not making a your usual killing from ticket sales and concessions? Boo hoo. Pay your employees their guaranteed money, and get insurance next time (see: Wimbeldon)
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    I'm sure they will negotiate something, but if they vote on a scenario where games are played and some players can't bring themselves to agree to the conditions to play (autoimmune disease, at-risk family), I'm guessing they aren't getting their fully guaranteed contract value, no matter how high-profile. The contracts were all signed with the assumption of ticketing and especially TV money backing them up. Plus sport ownership groups are typically greedy bastards...they regularly threaten to move teams out of cities if they dont get their sparkly new stadiums/renovations...if they would rip out the heart of an entire city, I guarantee you they would screw over their players. Sport owners are just awful, I guess that is my main point in all this (I have been scarred for life from Art Modell), and I would put nothing past them.
    Who knows? I could see the players taking a stand of solidarity behind the MLBPA, too. Either everyone gets paid or no one plays. It's a rare time when the players have the upper hand in negotiations if the owners and league are really bleeding as dry as they say they are.
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    You're absolutely right: sports owners are all awful. With the exception of maybe a handful ie Mark Cuban (I think?) they are all shitty and immoral.

    That's why there should be no negotiation on behalf of the MLB players union. The contracts were signed, they are guaranteed, give them their money.

    I love this idea that the money isn't coming in to MLB owners like they are pinching pennies living paycheck to paycheck. Oh, you're not making a your usual killing from ticket sales and concessions? Boo hoo. Pay your employees their guaranteed money, and get insurance next time (see: Wimbeldon)
    Robert Kraft falls into the good owner category IMO. over $400 million donated through his charity.
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    Let's get this thread back on track. Tim will be live streaming from his living room Thursday at 8pm according to a video he posted on Facebook.
    Another stream for Saturday:

    Clear your schedules, because we’ve got some big news: At Home With Farm Aid will stream live on Saturday night, hosted by Willie Nelson and his sons Lukas and Micah Nelson!

    Join us on April 11 at 8pm EDT / 5pm PDT to watch live performances by Willie Nelson, Neil Young, John Mellencamp and Dave Matthews in a virtual show of support and solidarity for family farmers and ranchers. The event will be available as a free webcast stream on farmaid.org and axs.tv and also available to watch on AXS TV.
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    ^^^

    Isn’t that the same time as the Paul McCartney / Eddie Vedder livestream?
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    ^^^

    Isn’t that the same time as the Paul McCartney / Eddie Vedder livestream?

    That is the following weekend.
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    Can't believe no one is on here talking about how Warehouse has not provided us with any publicly addressed updates.

    I've heard from someone who refused to pay their CC payment plan they are refunding the ticket costs but keeping the fees. Hell, they can do this to me all they want. Clearly WH is f*cked and trying to figure out a way that they are not stuck with everyone returning their crappy seats... that they get year after year after year.

    Shame on them! Payback is a beotch?
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    Can't believe no one is on here talking about how Warehouse has not provided us with any publicly addressed updates.

    What exactly do you want the Warehouse to update you with? "We have not made a decision at this time about the Summer 2020 tour because information about the Coronavirus is still very fluid and changing daily."

    There, I just updated you.
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    Ideally, or at least ideally for me they scrap the the summer tour and pick up a small run in the winter then come back next year. Even something out of the box like a 3 night NYE run at cville or MSG or something would be cool.
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    Ideally, or at least ideally for me they scrap the the summer tour and pick up a small run in the winter then come back next year. Even something out of the box like a 3 night NYE run at cville or MSG or something would be cool.
    Ideally for me some smart bastard creates/finds a vaccine by the end of April, it's distributed and everyone is healthy and happy by the end of May, and I can celebrate at Deer Creek with some great people
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    Ideally, or at least ideally for me they scrap the the summer tour and pick up a small run in the winter then come back next year. Even something out of the box like a 3 night NYE run at cville or MSG or something would be cool.
    I would't count on MSG but I'd love a DMB NYE run. Unfortunately, I don't think it'll happen regardless of venue
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    Ideally, or at least ideally for me they scrap the the summer tour and pick up a small run in the winter then come back next year. Even something out of the box like a 3 night NYE run at cville or MSG or something would be cool.


    DMB will never play MSG NYE. That is solely Phish's territory.
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    Can't believe no one is on here talking about how Warehouse has not provided us with any publicly addressed updates.

    I've heard from someone who refused to pay their CC payment plan they are refunding the ticket costs but keeping the fees. Hell, they can do this to me all they want. Clearly WH is f*cked and trying to figure out a way that they are not stuck with everyone returning their crappy seats... that they get year after year after year.

    Shame on them! Payback is a beotch?
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    What exactly do you want the Warehouse to update you with? "We have not made a decision at this time about the Summer 2020 tour because information about the Coronavirus is still very fluid and changing daily."

    There, I just updated you.
    thye are working on sending out the IT email

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    Can't believe no one is on here talking about how Warehouse has not provided us with any publicly addressed updates.

    I've heard from someone who refused to pay their CC payment plan they are refunding the ticket costs but keeping the fees. Hell, they can do this to me all they want. Clearly WH is f*cked and trying to figure out a way that they are not stuck with everyone returning their crappy seats... that they get year after year after year.

    Shame on them! Payback is a beotch?
    Just for perspective, I have tickets to a postponed Comedy show for tonight (Bill Burr), and I haven't gotten any information on a new date or if its been cancelled completely.
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    Just for perspective, I have tickets to a postponed Comedy show for tonight (Bill Burr), and I haven't gotten any information on a new date or if its been cancelled completely.
    what??? Holy crap


    So.... are you going to show up?
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    what??? Holy crap


    So.... are you going to show up?
    They know it was postponed. There just isn't a new date.
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    Old 04-09-2020, 08:39 AM   #6137
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    oh okay, I read it as it was postponed TO tonight for some reason.
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    oh okay, I read it as it was postponed TO tonight for some reason.

    I read it the same way
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    I'm just hoping we get an official word on what's happening with summer tour by the end of April. I've got a flight booked with United Airlines to fly from Seattle back to Ohio for DC and Blossom, and United just sent an email saying they are waiving all change/cancellation fees for flights between June 1 - Dec 31, 2020, BUT you have to let them know by April 30th.
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    Pearl Jam European Summer Tour 2020 postponed to Summer 2021
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    Old 04-10-2020, 08:06 AM   #6143
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    Well, another data point: Pearl Jam postponed the entire European Tour that was supposed to take place this summer, to spring/summer 2021. However, refunds are NOT being offered.

    http://abcnewsradioonline.com/music-...r-to-2021.html


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    Old 04-10-2020, 08:26 AM   #6144
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    My first comment when I sent that to a friend was:

    Could you imagine if DMB cancels and doesn't offer refunds? People would riot. Ha.
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    I know it's been talked about in here already but... if the show is postponed to a year from now, and there aren't even any ******** concrete dates yet, they absolutely SHOULD offer refunds. Then, throw the refunded tickets back up in a 2nd public on-sale a few months before the show.
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    My first comment when I sent that to a friend was:

    Could you imagine if DMB cancels and doesn't offer refunds? People would riot. Ha.
    I'm pretty happy with my tickets, add one to keep your ticket supporters
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    I feel like they’d do keep your tickets policy, and probably make next years warehouse membership free. Or maybe I’m giving them too much credit.
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    I feel like they’d do keep your tickets policy, and probably make next years warehouse membership free. Or maybe I’m giving them too much credit.
    Easiest move is to just cancel and refund everything, then start over next year in case you have different venues. That's why I'm not optimistic they cancel only until Gorge (but hope it happens).
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    Big tours being postponed in the USA aren't offering refunds, FYI, like Roger Waters and Rolling Stones. They are keeping your money. DMB will likely do that if you ask me.
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    Big tours being postponed in the USA aren't offering refunds, FYI, like Roger Waters and Rolling Stones. They are keeping your money. DMB will likely do that if you ask me.

    This is going to catch up with them at some point...they are probably robbing peter to pay paul until they can return to a normal cash flow situation (prob 2022 at the earliest). They wont have to refund us (for now), this time around, but will have an extremely low ticket sales line next year and are prob banking on beer sales and other fees (i bet we see newly invented fees on various things next year) to handle expenses next year. 2022 they can go back to the normal timing of selling/holding events.



    Would not be surprised if lawmakers start putting pressure on them, the longer this goes. Ticketmaster has taken us for granted and screwed us all over so much over the years that they fall into the cable/cell phone providers level of people hating them.
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