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Old 08-24-2011, 06:38 AM   #2611
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Tell me watching Z, Datsyuk, and Lidstrom going up against Toews, Kane, and Keith wouldn't be exciting. Try it.
For 3on3? Yeah of course. And at least for me it would be more exciting than a shootout. I'm just saying it is a little gimmicky but less than a shootout imo. The argument that fans want to see a winner isn't correct. The fans want to see their team win in a shootout. If the Wings win in a shootout it's ok but when they lose I'd much rather have a tie.
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    Tell me watching Z, Datsyuk, and Lidstrom going up against Toews, Kane, and Keith wouldn't be exciting. Try it.
    People argue the shootout is a gimmick. Well 3v3 is absolutely a gimmick. That's hockey in your driveway. They should make the OT 10 minutes. No tv timeouts.
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    People argue the shootout is a gimmick. Well 3v3 is absolutely a gimmick. That's hockey in your driveway. They should make the OT 10 minutes. No tv timeouts.
    That's what I had said before the lockout. Thought we should have tried 10 minutes of 4on4 before trying a shootout. If that didn't greatly reduce ties then fine. As I said above I'm fine with ties and ask fans after they leave their home rink in a game that they played well enough to win (not counting the excitement of the SO) but lost in a SO if they would have rather had a tie. I'm guessing they would have preferred a tie. But the NHL seems set on no ties so we are stuck with either 3on3 and/or shootouts.
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    Old 08-24-2011, 08:49 AM   #2614
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    I personally do not want to see a tie in any situation. It's complete buzzkill, at least for me. I would like to see 4x4 for 10 minutes, and I'd also be interested in seeing the 3x3 format. I'd also like to see the end of the shootout... but I don't know how they end a game without a tie. Do they play until someone scores? That seems a bit unreasonable. I don't know. A lot of questions.
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    Old 08-24-2011, 08:53 AM   #2615
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    I personally do not want to see a tie in any situation. It's complete buzzkill, at least for me. I would like to see 4x4 for 10 minutes, and I'd also be interested in seeing the 3x3 format. I'd also like to see the end of the shootout... but I don't know how they end a game without a tie. Do they play until someone scores? That seems a bit unreasonable. I don't know. A lot of questions.
    This is exactly where I'm at at this point. I dislike the shootout but I dislike ties even more.
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    That's what I had said before the lockout. Thought we should have tried 10 minutes of 4on4 before trying a shootout. If that didn't greatly reduce ties then fine. As I said above I'm fine with ties and ask fans after they leave their home rink in a game that they played well enough to win (not counting the excitement of the SO) but lost in a SO if they would have rather had a tie. I'm guessing they would have preferred a tie. But the NHL seems set on no ties so we are stuck with either 3on3 and/or shootouts.
    I'm always happy for a point at the end of regulation, especially if the Pens come from behind. I don't get upset at losing in OT or a SO because it's an extra point that is up for grabs. Especially since the SO Wins don't count as part of the true wins for the tie breaker.
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    I personally do not want to see a tie in any situation. It's complete buzzkill, at least for me. I would like to see 4x4 for 10 minutes, and I'd also be interested in seeing the 3x3 format. I'd also like to see the end of the shootout... but I don't know how they end a game without a tie. Do they play until someone scores? That seems a bit unreasonable. I don't know. A lot of questions.
    That's just the thing. Not an easy thing if they don't want ties. I really think they should have tried 4on4 for 10 minutes first following the lockout and if after 3 seasons or so if that didn't eliminate enough ties then go to the shootout. They'll never do non-stop cause they want games to end. Plus I have to say I enjoy having to wait until the playoffs to see that.

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    I'm always happy for a point at the end of regulation, especially if the Pens come from behind. I don't get upset at losing in OT or a SO because it's an extra point that is up for grabs. Especially since the SO Wins don't count as part of the true wins for the tie breaker.
    Oh I understand that I'm just talking in terms of result for that night not taking into account what happens in the standings. I would think fans would rather walk out with a tie instead of a SO loss. So the NHL's argument when they said fans wanted to see a result wasn't true. Fans want to see a win in their teams favor.

    I am glad the NHL admitted (essentially) that it was a gimmick and that those SO wins wouldn't count in the tie breaker.
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    Old 08-24-2011, 09:36 AM   #2618
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    That's just the thing. Not an easy thing if they don't want ties. I really think they should have tried 4on4 for 10 minutes first following the lockout and if after 3 seasons or so if that didn't eliminate enough ties then go to the shootout. They'll never do non-stop cause they want games to end. Plus I have to say I enjoy having to wait until the playoffs to see that.
    I enjoy it as well. Also, it's just not reasonable for fans, players, media, etc. to play until someone scores. But man, I hate ties... I even hate playing in games myself that end in ties... there's just no finality. At least if I lose, I've got that horrible feeling in the pit of my stomach that motivates me to go out and play harder the next game.

    But again, is that compatible with regular season hockey? I don't know.
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    I do not understand why it needs to be 3 on 3? Why not just extend overtime?

    In all honesty I just want the shootout to be gone.
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    I don't really love ties but I would be fine with them after a 10 minute OT. The 3on3 sounds like it would be damn fun to watch, though if implemented I only see it sticking around a few years.
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    I don't like ties. Find a way to end the game without shootouts
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    I like shootouts
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    Solution: If the OT goes more than 10 minutes, play stops. Each team sends one player out to center ice to fight. Winner takes the game. Winner could be determined by KO. That would really help the concussion debate.

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    Bucci is an advocate of using slightly bigger goals. What if they tried them in OT? 6" wider, 4" taller, 4-on-4 for 10 minutes. Wonder what percentage of games wound be decided in OT under that scenario...
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    Luongo is a pussy. I went to the net, barely touched him, and fell down the ice like he had been shot. Then Andrew Alberts came over and fought me.
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    I suppose the main logistical problem with my idea is you can't have two separate sets of holes in the ice for mooring different sizes of goal. Could be overcome by curved posts, but...
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    Bucci is an advocate of using slightly bigger goals. What if they tried them in OT? 6" wider, 4" taller, 4-on-4 for 10 minutes. Wonder what percentage of games wound be decided in OT under that scenario...
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    I suppose the main logistical problem with my idea is you can't have two separate sets of holes in the ice for mooring different sizes of goal. Could be overcome by curved posts, but...
    That's a great idea, besides the logistical reasoning you pointed out. I wouldn't be surprised if they tried it in lower leagues (CHL, ECHL, etc).
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    Old 08-24-2011, 04:39 PM   #2628
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    Luongo is a pussy. I went to the net, barely touched him, and fell down the ice like he had been shot. Then Andrew Alberts came over and fought me.
    sounds just like the Canucks alright, this game is spot on.
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    Did Luongo fall into the net along with the puck?
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    Just a heads up. Looks like fantasy hockey will be up and running next week. Keep your eyes on this thread and your emails associated with the league for re-invites. After about two weeks I'll kick those who did not respond and open it up to new guys. We are going to go with 14 teams I think. So we will have two spots open immediately. Ill provide more info when I know for sure.
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    Just a heads up. Looks like fantasy hockey will be up and running next week. Keep your eyes on this thread and your emails associated with the league for re-invites. After about two weeks I'll kick those who did not respond and open it up to new guys. We are going to go with 14 teams I think. So we will have two spots open immediately. Ill provide more info when I know for sure.
    this is the post i have been waiting for.

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    3 on 3 would be fucking stupid. 10 minute OT, then shootout, same point system.

    I guess 3 on 3 would be better than a tie, but barely.

    When I think of a 3 on 3, I feel like it's as goofy and gimmicky as this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18XWT047ec8 (ANYONE remember this nonsense? )

    I couldn't take it seriously. Not in the NHL.
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    I had totally forgotten about pro beach hockey.
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    Ugh, I hate all these ideas. Bigger goals? Come on. Are we really that desperate for more goals in NHL games? It's a simple fix and everyone is making it way too complex. Make overtime longer. 4 on 4. Most of the time, the game will end.
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    2 point goals!!!!
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    Solution: If the OT goes more than 10 minutes, play stops. Each team sends one player out to center ice to fight. Winner takes the game. Winner could be determined by KO. That would really help the concussion debate.

    Only if we can sign Carcillo and John Scott to extensions first.
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    Only if we can sign Carcillo and John Scott to extensions first.
    I believe he said they had to fight at centre ice... not run their mouths and cower.
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    Ugh, I hate all these ideas. Bigger goals? Come on. Are we really that desperate for more goals in NHL games? It's a simple fix and everyone is making it way too complex. Make overtime longer. 4 on 4. Most of the time, the game will end.
    Yeah never ever do the bigger goals. Come on. Gretzky scored 92 goals with these. The goalie pad regulation can still be better if we're thinking more goals. Make it 10 minutes of 4on4 and that would help a little.
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    Fuuuuuck, just need the season to start already!
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    If they want more goals scored, just take away goalies.

    Problem solved.
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