Random dmb thoughts that don't need their own thread

[Cscottrun]

Originally Posted by Speilmen230

Grace is Gone and Digging a Ditch are the two best "quiet" songs that Dave has ever written.

I would take Loving Wings and LLD over Digging a Ditch anyday.

[oasisfan35]

The improv jams being so few and far between with this band I would like to see the encore from 2004-10-01 released at some point.

[ToySoldier#34]

Listened to all of Busted Stuff this morning for the first time in years, pretty solid in it's own right if you try to forget about tLWS

[kelchlsm]

Originally Posted by ToySoldier#34

Listened to all of Busted Stuff this morning for the first time in years, pretty solid in it's own right if you try to forget about tLWS

Think Steve Harris is underrated.

Busted Stuff and Some Devil are good albums.

Would love to see Dave work with him again in the future in some capacity

[Bmwm3oz]

Originally Posted by ToySoldier#34

Listened to all of Busted Stuff this morning for the first time in years, pretty solid in it's own right if you try to forget about tLWS

So good.. love that album

[Bmwm3oz]

Originally Posted by Cscottrun

I would take Loving Wings and LLD over Digging a Ditch anyday.

Agreed. Digging is good when a LeRoi felt it, but too often he half assed the song. The studio version is great but still not better than LLW or Loving Wings. Opinion of course.

[grilldanmo]

Originally Posted by kelchlsm

Think Steve Harris is underrated.

Busted Stuff and Some Devil are good albums.

Would love to see Dave work with him again in the future in some capacity

I'm sorry, but Maiden's bassist is a freaking MONSTER!

[grilldanmo]

Originally Posted by ToySoldier#34

Listened to all of Busted Stuff this morning for the first time in years, pretty solid in it's own right if you try to forget about tLWS

I love having two iterations of most of the tunes. Fonz is more present on some of the BS versions which I love. This is a band that plays with music (or at least they used) regularly. We are hearing an evolution of the songs, one that might not be that far off from how they might have ended up were they completed w/ Lillywhite. We can speculate all we want, but we don't know.

I recognize and love the differences, instead of being bothered by or obsessing over them. Not that you don't...I'm just sayin'.

[ToySoldier#34]

Good stuff Grill, agree on your points!


Other random thought, two Ants comments that get repeated in a negative way non stop that I roll my eyes at every time

1. "They sounded like DMB"
2. "Canned horn line"

[Speilmen230]

The difference between LWS SUAD & later live versions like the 07 tour sampler are almost different songs. Love the energy of the 07 sampler version, but the groove and funkiness of the LWS version are what made this band so much fun to hear in a studio setting.

[tyler3440]

Ok so the virus thread closed. Why? Now its going to take over ever other thread.

[seanbrutus]

Originally Posted by tyler3440

Ok so the virus thread closed. Why? Now its going to take over ever other thread.

Who the hell locked it? That's the dumbest shit.

[TheStone91]

First time Stay or Leave was played:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rewwuOE7sss

[dmb9howell]

https://youtu.be/MX7yYMNDSgM

I mean

[Bmwm3oz]

Originally Posted by tyler3440

Ok so the virus thread closed. Why? Now its going to take over ever other thread.

Originally Posted by seanbrutus

Who the hell locked it? That's the dumbest shit.

[haiku.warrior]

Originally Posted by tyler3440

Ok so the virus thread closed. Why? Now its going to take over ever other thread.

Because people started talking about the setlist for Love Rocks NYC.

[iammine]

Originally Posted by grilldanmo

I love having two iterations of most of the tunes. Fonz is more present on some of the BS versions which I love. This is a band that plays with music (or at least they used) regularly. We are hearing an evolution of the songs, one that might not be that far off from how they might have ended up were they completed w/ Lillywhite. We can speculate all we want, but we don't know.

I recognize and love the differences, instead of being bothered by or obsessing over them. Not that you don't...I'm just sayin'.

I appreciate your takes. They're usually insightful and well-articulated.

That being said, I think my biggest gripe between the two comes down to the lyrics more than the music, chief among them Raven and Captain. The keyboard on Captain is a step back for me as well. I'm super curious to see in the BTTF-esq alternate timeline how these songs would have evolved without any of the Glen Ballard experience. Even if everything were to go down the way it did with Lillywhite and then they jumped right to Harris, would these songs sound more similar to what we have now or closer to the LWS versions?

But this thread did put BS back on my radar, and it's always a good listen.

[Bmwm3oz]

Originally Posted by haiku.warrior

Because people started talking about the setlist for Love Rocks NYC.

I hope this isn’t the reason

[Dannyyankou]

Originally Posted by dmb9howell

https://youtu.be/MX7yYMNDSgM

I mean

That Ants was great.

[grilldanmo]

Originally Posted by iammine

I appreciate your takes. They're usually insightful and well-articulated.

That being said, I think my biggest gripe between the two comes down to the lyrics more than the music, chief among them Raven and Captain. The keyboard on Captain is a step back for me as well. I'm super curious to see in the BTTF-esq alternate timeline how these songs would have evolved without any of the Glen Ballard experience. Even if everything were to go down the way it did with Lillywhite and then they jumped right to Harris, would these songs sound more similar to what we have now or closer to the LWS versions?

But this thread did put BS back on my radar, and it's always a good listen.

I get this, I always put the lyrics as secondary...and distantly at that. I love the music, the harmonic and melodic development/movement, the instrumental interplay, just the SOUND of Dave's voice and his note choices...

That's why I love the LWS KKJ...the parts where Dave's just singing notes w/ no discernible lyrics. It's absolutely breath taking and one of the few situations between where tLWS is LEAGUES better than the BS version. KKJ is a very cool groove and I like the parts, but w/o Dave's voice it's really just a shell recording wise.

[grilldanmo]

Originally Posted by dmb9howell

https://youtu.be/MX7yYMNDSgM

I mean

I whole show was pretty freakin' awesome. Wish I coulda been there...wish anyone coulda...

[ToySoldier#34]

I agree Grill, I place higher value on the notes within lyrics than lyrics themselves. On a song like Dreaming Tree which has great lyrics it's nice, but not every song has to be some sort of lyrical masterpiece. It's the intentions of the notes, the melodic patterns, that kind of stuff that I latch on to. There are a few DMB songs that have decent lyrics but build and build just by adding little nuanced things without ever having to rely on Dave screaming his head off to get the momentum going ... Crash and three verse Grey Street prior to the belt are good examples of this off the top of my head.

[Bmwm3oz]

The fact that Dave just played Steve Gadd.. insane. Gadd is probably the best drummer alive right now. I know it’s hard to define the ‘best’ drummer because of the various styles out there, but Gadd is known to be amongst the greatest of all time. Really cool

[grilldanmo]

I need to preface this by saying I loved Boyd's contributions to the band when he was really "present". I NEVER listened to the studio albums are most of the live stuff thinking "they'd be so much better if they had a better violinist." He was the right player for this band and Roi's ability to help inspire and get great things out of Boyd can not be overstated. Even in 2016, there are quite a few performances between entire shows or just on certain songs where he's absolutely bringing it.

That said, whether it was Sara in Mexico or Larry last night, would can immediately hear the difference in the playing and that these people are more complete/better players in pretty much every way. It also brings home the point that another violin player is going to sound a lot different. One of the things he and Roi had was that communication you can only get by sharing the stage for years. The intuition of knowing where someone is going to go, being able to play instant unplanned (and near improvised) harmonies or counterpart lines.

It would take a new player a bit of time to develop that w/ the band or even just Jeff (if there was a concerted effort to get the focus back on sax & violin interplay), but not too long w/ a more professional musician. However, sometimes that connection can be instantaneous. But I thought they both sounded great. The Love Rocks was very good and Dave was excellent in every way.

[grilldanmo]

Originally Posted by ToySoldier#34

I agree Grill, I place higher value on the notes within lyrics than lyrics themselves. On a song like Dreaming Tree which has great lyrics it's nice, but not every song has to be some sort of lyrical masterpiece. It's the intentions of the notes, the melodic patterns, that kind of stuff that I latch on to. There are a few DMB songs that have decent lyrics but build and build just by adding little nuanced things without ever having to rely on Dave screaming his head off to get the momentum going ... Crash and three verse Grey Street prior to the belt are good examples of this off the top of my head.

Yeah I love the BS GS build of adding bars to each verse around. It's subtle, but absolutely brilliant compositionally.

[grilldanmo]

Getting back to the Love Rocks thing, I think Jeff may have called Sledgehammer. If you watch Dave's reaction and then him walking over and giving Jeff some loving "why you son of a..." words and finger wagging. And that band hitting it and sounding so good. So cool and fun to watch.

BUT, I don't need to see DMB to it live ever again.

[ToySoldier#34]

Originally Posted by Bmwm3oz

The fact that Dave just played Steve Gadd.. insane. Gadd is probably the best drummer alive right now. I know it’s hard to define the ‘best’ drummer because of the various styles out there, but Gadd is known to be amongst the greatest of all time. Really cool

I'm in the minority but I thought this Ants was rough and mostly because of the drumming, also the violin playing didn't do a lot for me, absolutely loved the D&T with I'm With Her version

[grilldanmo]

Originally Posted by Bmwm3oz

The fact that Dave just played Steve Gadd.. insane. Gadd is probably the best drummer alive right now. I know it’s hard to define the ‘best’ drummer because of the various styles out there, but Gadd is known to be amongst the greatest of all time. Really cool

That whole stage though...Krasno, Campbell, Lee, Jeff, Pedrito, Vivino, Pelton, Young, Peterson...the list is astonishing to the person.

[grilldanmo]

I LOVE Timmy, but I'd be willing to let Larry Campbell take the guitar duties for a coupla tours.

Stellar player in his own right, but also a nice fiddle player...all the bases would be covered...

[Cscottrun]

Originally Posted by grilldanmo

I need to preface this by saying I loved Boyd's contributions to the band when he was really "present". I NEVER listened to the studio albums are most of the live stuff thinking "they'd be so much better if they had a better violinist." He was the right player for this band and Roi's ability to help inspire and get great things out of Boyd can not be overstated. Even in 2016, there are quite a few performances between entire shows or just on certain songs where he's absolutely bringing it.

That said, whether it was Sara in Mexico or Larry last night, would can immediately hear the difference in the playing and that these people are more complete/better players in pretty much every way. It also brings home the point that another violin player is going to sound a lot different. One of the things he and Roi had was that communication you can only get by sharing the stage for years. The intuition of knowing where someone is going to go, being able to play instant unplanned (and near improvised) harmonies or counterpart lines.

It would take a new player a bit of time to develop that w/ the band or even just Jeff (if there was a concerted effort to get the focus back on sax & violin interplay), but not too long w/ a more professional musician. However, sometimes that connection can be instantaneous. But I thought they both sounded great. The Love Rocks was very good and Dave was excellent in every way.

I think you may just feel this way because he's really the only violin player you've known with this band. Boyd was an ok violinist and towards the end he was barely a violinist at all. You don't think some of the songs he recorded on could have been even better with an excellent violinist?