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Old 12-01-2023, 07:47 AM   #1
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did the fall tour finance the south africa tour?

i'm always curious when the band decides to add a fall or winter tour and the decision is late in the year and close to when the tour happens. does anyone know what goes into the though process in the band for when they add a winter / fall tour or tour internationally?

the 2 south africa dates seem odd, i know dave grew up there etc., but why do you think they decided to go back again this year? also do you think they had that short run of shows in the fall to pay for the trip to go to south africa to play to 7k-8k (maybe) people a night?
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    Re: did the fall tour finance the south africa tour?

    My bet is that they are going back to SA becuase its been 10 years. They certainly don't play those 2 shows because its gangbusters profitable. They most likely lose money on those shows. I don't think they played 8 shows in the Fall to fund the SA shows though.
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    Re: did the fall tour finance the south africa tour?

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    i'm always curious when the band decides to add a fall or winter tour and the decision is late in the year and close to when the tour happens. does anyone know what goes into the though process in the band for when they add a winter / fall tour or tour internationally?

    the 2 south africa dates seem odd, i know dave grew up there etc., but why do you think they decided to go back again this year? also do you think they had that short run of shows in the fall to pay for the trip to go to south africa to play to 7k-8k (maybe) people a night?
    I think they actually have to book the dates pretty far in advance, but wait for whatever they consider the right timing to announce them publicly.

    We all knew a fall tour of some kind was happening by mid summer, but we just didn't know where.

    I honestly think they'll make some kind of money in South Africa. That's a big outfit/crew to bring over there for a certain loss. But it is curious regardless to play 2 shows half way across the world. Was it 3 originally?

    Maybe the 2 shows in SA pay for the band and crew to spend a free holiday there?
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    Old 12-01-2023, 08:10 AM   #4
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    Re: did the fall tour finance the south africa tour?

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    My bet is that they are going back to SA becuase its been 10 years. They certainly don't play those 2 shows because its gangbusters profitable. They most likely lose money on those shows. I don't think they played 8 shows in the Fall to fund the SA shows though.
    But prior to 10 years ago, they had never played there. So it's not like they are due or anything.
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    Old 12-01-2023, 09:30 AM   #5
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    Re: did the fall tour finance the south africa tour?

    A band at DMB's level doesn't lose money to play shows (unless this is something Dave REALLY wants to do and the promoters don't have the coin).

    But all the travel costs associated with the essentials to put this show on would be baked into their advance.
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    Old 12-01-2023, 10:57 AM   #6
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    Re: did the fall tour finance the south africa tour?

    DMB is not the promoter; they get their rate to perform from the promoter....if it doesn't sell well, the band doesn't lose money - the promoter assumes the risk.
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    Old 12-03-2023, 07:15 AM   #7
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    Re: did the fall tour finance the south africa tour?

    What’s a bit odd about the South Africa dates is them not doing those shows closer to the euro tour…..know Africa and Europe are not all that close to each other physically, but they’re flying from the US to South Africa for 2 shows after a 3 week break from shows. Just odd logistical timing all around.

    And yes this stuff gets booked like 1 year out from when it happens - that’s how bands make sure to lock in venues and cushion time for announcements and promotions. So they def planned it this way a long way out and I don’t think the fall tour was to finance these two shows, lord knows the band has plenty of money. Just kind of how scheduling worked out
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    Old 12-03-2023, 02:38 PM   #8
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    Re: did the fall tour finance the south africa tour?

    They've pretty much only ever done fall/winter tours in album years (or years that were intended to be album years, even if the album got pushed back... see 2000 and 2022). 2010 is an exception, but that's likely because they didn't do one for Big Whiskey in 2009, and they were already planning to take 2011 off entirely.

    In other words, this fall tour was going to happen regardless of any South Africa dates.
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    Old 12-03-2023, 07:02 PM   #9
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    Re: did the fall tour finance the south africa tour?

    DMB always has a different stage and lighting setup for international shows vs US shows, so I'm always under the impression that they don't ship a ton of equipment overseas. They probably save a lot of costs that way. Im guessing they rent a lot of equipment. Really the only thing they need to ship are their instruments.

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    Re: did the fall tour finance the south africa tour?

    Dave Matthew$ Band doing shows where they don’t make money….some of you are hilarious.
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    Old 12-03-2023, 07:40 PM   #11
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    Re: did the fall tour finance the south africa tour?

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    Dave Matthew$ Band doing shows where they don’t make money….some of you are hilarious.
    I know it's apples and oranges, but they've played several free shows and shows where all the net proceeds go to charity.
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    I know it's apples and oranges, but they've played several free shows and shows where all the net proceeds go to charity.
    Ticket sales sure.

    They’re still getting paid from merch sales.
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    Re: did the fall tour finance the south africa tour?

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    DMB always has a different stage and lighting setup for international shows vs US shows, so I'm always under the impression that they don't ship a ton of equipment overseas. They probably save a lot of costs that way. Im guessing they rent a lot of equipment. Really the only thing they need to ship are their instruments.
    I was wondering that too. If they just store a different set up over seas..but that wouldn't make sense for the South America shows they do, nor does it make sense in keeping up with technology. If they don't play shows in Europe for 4 years, a lot can change. So renting would make more sense. No way they ship their entire normal rig and what consists of a large number of semi trucks over seas for 2 shows.

    The shows are typically smaller venues than US, so less is required. The bigger shows they might play tend to be festivals anyway with built in equipment.
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    Old 12-05-2023, 07:45 AM   #14
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    Re: did the fall tour finance the south africa tour?

    Pretty sure Dave could finance a 365 night South Africa tour by himself.
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    Old 12-07-2023, 09:58 PM   #15
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    Re: did the fall tour finance the south africa tour?

    I haven't looked into it at all, but it doesn't seem to be selling well based their social media activity. They've been pushing tickets and announcing special guests (Vusi) ahead of time, which I don't think is done often. I can't think of another instance of a special guest being announced in advance.
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    Re: did the fall tour finance the south africa tour?

    Looks pretty well sold:

    12/10; pairs are only available in a single side section (Block H), looks at least 95% sold: https://www.ticketmaster.co.za/event...d-tickets/1321

    12/12; pairs available in the 4 side sections; looks at least 90% sold: https://www.ticketmaster.co.za/event...d-tickets/1323
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    Re: did the fall tour finance the south africa tour?

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    I haven't looked into it at all, but it doesn't seem to be selling well based their social media activity. They've been pushing tickets and announcing special guests (Vusi) ahead of time, which I don't think is done often. I can't think of another instance of a special guest being announced in advance.
    Pretty much all of the major guests in 2015 were announced ahead of time.
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