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Old 05-24-2019, 08:29 AM   #7951
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They've definitely slowed down from where they were a couple years ago
Agreed, and I think that is a function of Carter's longevity. His kit has shrunk.
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    They've definitely slowed down from where they were a couple years ago
    except for DDtW...that is too fast and Tim is too distorted and taking up too much of the sound. It's always been dark and heavy, but it used to have nuance and subtlety. Now it's just at TEN from start to finish. Also, get Carter and Buddy to work Alanis's parts. I don't expect the same octave, but those parts are always missing live despite the fact that they don't have to...especially now.
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    Agreed, and I think that is a function of Carter's longevity. His kit has shrunk.
    hadn't thought about that...makes sense
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    Old 05-24-2019, 09:02 AM   #7954
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    except for DDtW...that is too fast and Tim is too distorted and taking up too much of the sound. It's always been dark and heavy, but it used to have nuance and subtlety. Now it's just at TEN from start to finish. Also, get Carter and Buddy to work Alanis's parts. I don't expect the same octave, but those parts are always missing live despite the fact that they don't have to...especially now.

    I agree on the pacing of DDTW and Tim being too heavy on it, I actually love Tim's playing on the Live in Chicago version of it and anything closer to that would be great. The vocals that need to be worked on for it are Dave's at this point, his falsetto between playing solo or D&T vs with the band on it are night and day, I understand it's a different setting but it's the same note.
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    I agree on the pacing of DDTW and Tim being too heavy on it, I actually love Tim's playing on the Live in Chicago version of it and anything closer to that would be great. The vocals that need to be worked on for it are Dave's at this point, his falsetto between playing solo or D&T vs with the band on it are night and day, I understand it's a different setting but it's the same note.
    The full on band setting is not the forum for nuance that it was back with the original five-piece. Falsetto takes a hit for the vast majority of singers as they age, even those that don't smoke or drink. But they pop best when an artist or band are putting in an effort to maximize dynamics. While they still have some, the dynamics aren't what they used to be in DMB. D&T and solo, they're plentiful as you noted.
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    Old 05-24-2019, 10:06 AM   #7956
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    The full on band setting is not the forum for nuance that it was back with the original five-piece. Falsetto takes a hit for the vast majority of singers as they age, even those that don't smoke or drink. But they pop best when an artist or band are putting in an effort to maximize dynamics. While they still have some, the dynamics aren't what they used to be in DMB. D&T and solo, they're plentiful as you noted.

    I am a vocalist and understand how it works, there is nothing based on his age that leaves going "heeeeeooooommmeeeeee" as hard as possible as his only option.
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    https://youtu.be/XmEdzKGGT3A

    Watching/listening to this reminds me how much more pleasant this band used to be to listen to. Just right off the bat, tripping billies, you can hear every instrument clearly. Dave’s acoustic is prominent.. etc.

    These days (and of course it’s gotten better), it’s just too many instruments in the mix. Too many people competing for sound. I know... it’s so much better now than it was three years ago, but it still sucks.
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    Old 05-24-2019, 02:57 PM   #7958
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    https://youtu.be/XmEdzKGGT3A

    Watching/listening to this reminds me how much more pleasant this band used to be to listen to. Just right off the bat, tripping billies, you can hear every instrument clearly. Dave’s acoustic is prominent.. etc.

    These days (and of course it’s gotten better), it’s just too many instruments in the mix. Too many people competing for sound. I know... it’s so much better now than it was three years ago, but it still sucks.
    Yeah '99 and Listener Supported year with the original 5 is going to sound better, completely disagree with the current sound sucking though. Some of what they do sucks like organ on LIOG, overall I love how they sound though.
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    Old 05-24-2019, 03:57 PM   #7959
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    Dave and Tim are due for a blu ray concert or something been over 10 years since radio city and there's countless of footage

    I'd say D&F too but the licensing is prob way too much to handle with that
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    I am a vocalist and understand how it works, there is nothing based on his age that leaves going "heeeeeooooommmeeeeee" as hard as possible as his only option.
    Agreed, but I’m talking more about the band being on on 8-10 for most of the show these days. There’s less ebb and flow And at times it’s the band on 10 and then Dave does Here On Out, Some Devil, or WIW. The acoustic sets were good for showing the dynamic range of the band, but they used to wickedly dynamic with just the five. Loud and heavy, quiet and subtle, subtle and heavy, and so on...
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    Agreed, but I’m talking more about the band being on on 8-10 for most of the show these days. There’s less ebb and flow And at times it’s the band on 10 and then Dave does Here On Out, Some Devil, or WIW. The acoustic sets were good for showing the dynamic range of the band, but they used to wickedly dynamic with just the five. Loud and heavy, quiet and subtle, subtle and heavy, and so on...
    I mean yeah singing off of extremely loud music is obviously going to naturally raise your vocal level to be heard over it and they are a wall of sound on DDTW, still though he should be able to relax more into that note. I think the band has slowed down and become more dynamic than say three years ago but they aren't as dynamic as they used to be. One of my favorite parts about bringing keys back into the band is that they have been playing softer at certain points like Raven, Grace is Gone, etc.
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    Agreed, but I’m talking more about the band being on on 8-10 for most of the show these days. There’s less ebb and flow And at times it’s the band on 10 and then Dave does Here On Out, Some Devil, or WIW. The acoustic sets were good for showing the dynamic range of the band, but they used to wickedly dynamic with just the five. Loud and heavy, quiet and subtle, subtle and heavy, and so on...
    I noticed the wall of sound at Nashville. Made me want to stop spending excessively and traveling to see them. This band seems to have zero self-awareness. Sad.

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    The wall of sound doesn’t bother me as much at shows as it does listening to live recordings. I still love seeing the band live but find myself rarely listening to the recent live Trax, bonus discs, etc. it’ll never happen, but I wish they’d do a full acoustic tour one of these years in the fall/winter at smaller venues and then release one of those shows.
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    ...and when I listen and watch to recorded media, I definitely go for older shows. Most of my recently recorded media is still sitting there in its' shrink-wrap. Super-sad!

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    Old 05-25-2019, 09:40 PM   #7965
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    I think it'd be incredibly funny if in Chicago, Dave changed the "there's blood in the water" part of DDTW to "there's shit in the water"
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    The wall of sound doesn’t bother me as much at shows as it does listening to live recordings. I still love seeing the band live but find myself rarely listening to the recent live Trax, bonus discs, etc. it’ll never happen, but I wish they’d do a full acoustic tour one of these years in the fall/winter at smaller venues and then release one of those shows.
    I think that’s what I like about this lineup. It’s not so much the wall of sound like it was in like back in 12-16.

    The acoustic set never really did anything for me live. I prefer Carter and Fonz on full bast. It was hard to really feel the music when it was all acoustic.

    I would like to see Tim use acoustic on some songs in the regular full band setting. That or him just taking a few songs off a night, like on DDTW, Grey Street, Ditch, Ants, and Rapunzel. Those are some I still feel he got way too loud on. This won’t happen tho.
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    Old 05-25-2019, 11:38 PM   #7967
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    This is not a nock on Timmy, because it’s not really his fault. Since he went full time his roll has really distracted my focus on Dave’s guitar.
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    Agreed, and I think that is a function of Carter's longevity. His kit has shrunk.
    This is one of my biggest fears about growing old
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    I am a vocalist and understand how it works, there is nothing based on his age that leaves going "heeeeeooooommmeeeeee" as hard as possible as his only option.
    Singing a falsetto in a chair with two acoustic guitars to a fraction of the crowd is definitely different than with a full band standing with a guitar strapped around your shoulders. For starters the body’s positioning is completely different and you absolutely have to sing differently. The energy in a full band show is also much different than playing by yourself or with another acoustic. When you’re trying to match the energy of a full band show, have been moving around and dancing and using up your bodies’ energy, your voice can suffer.

    I just played a 45 minute set with my band the other night and was full of energy. I was dancing around, stomping my feet, and using up a lot of energy. By the time I got to the last couple songs I was gassed and falsetto became more difficult because I had to use more energy to get a decent breathe. Yesterday I sat in a chair and played solo for two hours and didn’t have a problem with my falsetto.
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    Singing a falsetto in a chair with two acoustic guitars to a fraction of the crowd is definitely different than with a full band standing with a guitar strapped around your shoulders. For starters the body’s positioning is completely different and you absolutely have to sing differently. The energy in a full band show is also much different than playing by yourself or with another acoustic. When you’re trying to match the energy of a full band show, have been moving around and dancing and using up your bodies’ energy, your voice can suffer.

    I just played a 45 minute set with my band the other night and was full of energy. I was dancing around, stomping my feet, and using up a lot of energy. By the time I got to the last couple songs I was gassed and falsetto became more difficult because I had to use more energy to get a decent breathe. Yesterday I sat in a chair and played solo for two hours and didn’t have a problem with my falsetto.

    I know it's very different and you move around a lot more than I do but that to me doesn't explain starting the note every time with "heeee" ... I'm hoping to make it to another one of your gigs soon!

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    Keep Tim, drop his solos and put him on acoustic where the setting fits



    keep rashawn, just minimize his parts, drop his solos, more fills



    keep buddy, just add more piano and less church organ



    add a violin player



    Slow the fuck down



    Not too much to as for if you ask me.
    Your list is what I would do to try bringing them back to glory...plus add one more thing: Give a greater percentage of fans the opportunity to hear live the great rare classics: DT, JTR, Stone, Last Stop, Shotgun, etc.

    I'm not optimistic though. Dave doesn't have the self-awareness and the musicians around him don't have the courage to bring him to this realization. Also, it counters human nature...is Rashawn going to suggest that he get less playing time? Doubt it. The other thing that counters such a change is the feedback he's getting from the current casual fan: "They go nuts when we play Cornbread...let's keep on doing that!"

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    Dancing around, fully into it, relaxing and going into the note correctly

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    Dancing around, fully into it, relaxing and going into the note correctly

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    Dancing around first song into the set 16 years ago in his prime. All about breath support my friend. Dave doesn’t seem to pace himself. He just goes for it and aims to put out as much energy as he can. At 52 and many years under his belt he clearly just doesn’t have what he used to. I’m only 37 and I don’t have the same voice I had 6 years ago. Could he do it? Maybe, but his vocal anatomy may have changed given the damage he’s done and sometimes there are things you just can’t get back. My wife is a speech therapist so by default I’ve learned more than I ever thought I would about the voice haha.
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    He always gets to the right note and vowel, it's now "heeee ... ome", just start on the right note and vowel is all I'm asking for. For his age and how much he has pushed his voice he's still a great singer! Ha, being a vocalist and being married to a speech therapist is pretty ideal!
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    The wall of sound doesn’t bother me as much at shows as it does listening to live recordings. I still love seeing the band live but find myself rarely listening to the recent live Trax, bonus discs, etc. it’ll never happen, but I wish they’d do a full acoustic tour one of these years in the fall/winter at smaller venues and then release one of those shows.
    I noticed this back in 2010. The Hartford and Citifield shows, I just could not listen to the tapes afterwards. I still listen to alot of dmb just nothing after June 08.
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2YedNxD0HQ

    Just saw this for the first time from 2013 in Austin. For anyone that was there for this, was it as amazing in person as it is on video? My god.. beautiful version
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    Just saw this for the first time from 2013 in Austin. For anyone that was there for this, was it as amazing in person as it is on video? My god.. beautiful version
    It’s easily one of my favorite performances from the band. Incredible stuff from SJ
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    Your list is what I would do to try bringing them back to glory...plus add one more thing: Give a greater percentage of fans the opportunity to hear live the great rare classics: DT, JTR, Stone, Last Stop, Shotgun, etc.

    I'm not optimistic though. Dave doesn't have the self-awareness and the musicians around him don't have the courage to bring him to this realization. Also, it counters human nature...is Rashawn going to suggest that he get less playing time? Doubt it. The other thing that counters such a change is the feedback he's getting from the current casual fan: "They go nuts when we play Cornbread...let's keep on doing that!"

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    Dave calling the JTR audible when the rain started in TX kind of disproves several points you tried to make.
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    Dave calling the JTR audible when the rain started in TX kind of disproves several points you tried to make.
    Yeah, but they get a lot of rain dates and don't do shit. I mean in Bristow right after a dangerous monsoon they DIDN'T play VItR, JTR, Stay, or any other song that mentions rain...but VItR was a no brainer. He even had the chance for a make up at VA Beach when it rained most of the day.

    Basically, he plays what he wants when he wants. JTR was as much a whim as a reaction to anything. He's consistently inconsistent with where and when he pulls a rarity outside of those special venues...
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2YedNxD0HQ

    Just saw this for the first time from 2013 in Austin. For anyone that was there for this, was it as amazing in person as it is on video? My god.. beautiful version
    Was not there, but this might be my all time favorite performance of any song. Cry Freedom is by no means my favorite DMB tune but what Stanley Jordan does in this version is seriously out of this world. I really really hope we get official audio of this one day but for some reason I doubt it.
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