*Prompter Thread* (NO personal attacks, NO trolling)

[zajDmB1]

Losing is winning.

We need to cut ourselves off from the entire world. Down with globalism!

[BTBaboon]

Breaking with GOP-controlled House Intelligence Committee, Senate Intel panel has determined that the intelligence community was correct in assessing that Russia meddled in the 2016 U.S. election with the aim of helping then-candidate Donald Trump

https://www.washingtonpost.com/power...=.81f56e2a2e2b

[Route_2]

Originally Posted by BTBaboon

Breaking with GOP-controlled House Intelligence Committee, Senate Intel panel has determined that the intelligence community was correct in assessing that Russia meddled in the 2016 U.S. election with the aim of helping then-candidate Donald Trump

https://www.washingtonpost.com/power...=.81f56e2a2e2b

Oooh, shots fired.

“I’m not sure that the House was required to substantiate every conclusion with facts,” Burr told reporters last week, when asked whether the Senate Intelligence Committee would also find fault with the intelligence community’s assessment. He promised the Senate panel would “have the facts to show for” its conclusions.

[cazzie34]

Arguably the key to understanding the 2016 election: Unlike how it handled the Clinton email investigation, the FBI was incredibly guarded about its look at the Trump-Russia story https://t.co/WNIZFnOPon https://t.co/f5Q7uuEZxa

"[U]nderpinning both cases was one political calculation: that Mrs. Clinton would win and Mr. Trump would lose. Agents feared being seen as withholding information or going too easy on her." https://t.co/WNIZFnOPon

FBI clearly did everything they could to not let investigation into trump out because they thought Clinton would win and they didn't want to be seen as too hard on trump.

[BTBaboon]

Trump's financial disclosure form notes a payment, between $100,001 and $250,000, to Michael Cohen.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/16/u...isclosure.html

A footnote in the disclosure said that Mr. Cohen had requested reimbursement of the expenses incurred in 2016 and Mr. Trump had repaid it in full in 2017.

Hmm...wonder what it could be for.

[MDPrompter]

The thing I don't get about anti-globalists....all of human history has been an evolution towards globalism. We've evolved from only being able to function in groups of 100 or less to aligning hundreds of millions and even billions behind religions and/or governments. Globalism is the natural conclusion here...to ignore that is to ignore all of human history.

[rconverse]

So all of these Trump nuts are dumb and nothing matters anymore but if it weren't for Russia and the FBI, Clinton would be president. Am I getting the jist of this?

[Climb2safety]

Originally Posted by mdmarvich

The thing I don't get about anti-globalists....all of human history has been an evolution towards globalism. We've evolved from only being able to function in groups of 100 or less to aligning hundreds of millions and even billions behind religions and/or governments. Globalism is the natural conclusion here...to ignore that is to ignore all of human history.

It’s very easy for me to understand. Globalism hurts some people domestically while helping other countries and multinational companies.

This will persist until and only if we ever reach equilibrium in several different economic areas. And that’s a big if. So we need structural changes domestic, which take a long time and are painful.

And in the meantime we ship our economic benefits outside of our borders and other peoples benefit. And many of these countries hate us.

So yeah, I get it.

[Bostonsux013]

Originally Posted by rconverse

So all of these Trump nuts are dumb and nothing matters anymore but if it weren't for Russia and the FBI, Clinton would be president. Am I getting the jist of this?

Is it wrong to say that Trump had his own base of voters but the Russian meddling might have helped push him over the hump?

Look at how close the election was. Hillary won the popular vote as I'm sure you're aware.

It's not hard to conceive that Trump might have won unfairly due to Russian meddling in our election. People in your camp are going to hug to the conclusion that nothing can be proven on a vote by vote basis but you all know damn well that the election was rigged.

[zajDmB1]

Originally Posted by rconverse

So all of these Trump nuts are dumb and nothing matters anymore but if it weren't for Russia and the FBI, Clinton would be president. Am I getting the jist of this?

1) Trump 'nuts' are dumb, yes. Plenty of right-wing folks aren't Trump nuts, though. They are not (necessarily) dumb.

2) Correct, nothing matters. We've seen that proven over and over and over and over and over again.

3) While it's certainly not a given, it is likely HRC would be president if not for Russia, yes. The % certainty will depend on what types of details/evidence comes out of the investigation.

Originally Posted by Climb2safety

It’s very easy for me to understand. Globalism hurts some people domestically while helping other countries and multinational companies.

This will persist until and only if we ever reach equilibrium in several different economic areas. And that’s a big if. So we need structural changes domestic, which take a long time and are painful.

And in the meantime we ship our economic benefits outside of our borders and other peoples benefit. And many of these countries hate us.

So yeah, I get it.

In terms of the economy on a macro and micro scale, I'd bet global trade helps us infinitely more than it hurts us. From the macro of our corporations being able to make super cheap shit to the micro of people being able to buy way more said shit because it's made cheap and sold affordably.

[jcc522]

“Rigged”

[BTBaboon]

Originally Posted by Climb2safety

It’s very easy for me to understand. Globalism hurts some people domestically while helping other countries and multinational companies.

This will persist until and only if we ever reach equilibrium in several different economic areas. And that’s a big if. So we need structural changes domestic, which take a long time and are painful.

And in the meantime we ship our economic benefits outside of our borders and other peoples benefit. And many of these countries hate us.

So yeah, I get it.

But globalization has benefitted the economy as a whole, and the benefits far outweigh the negative impacts - that's not an opinion, that has a large amount of supporting data.

You make it sound as if we give away all the economic benefit and dont reap any of it on our own.

I understand why some people are against it; largely because it's what they've been told to do. They've been told their plight is solely the fault of globalists, and it simply isn't true. I understand why it may give some comfort to have a single point of focus to blame for all the ills in your world. But it is misguided.

[Climb2safety]

Originally Posted by zajDmB1

In terms of the economy on a macro and micro scale, I'd bet global trade helps us infinitely more than it hurts us. From the macro of our corporations being able to make super cheap shit to the micro of people being able to buy way more said shit because it's made cheap and sold affordably.

The benefits just trickle down you say?

[cazzie34]

Originally Posted by rconverse

So all of these Trump nuts are dumb and nothing matters anymore but if it weren't for Russia and the FBI, Clinton would be president. Am I getting the jist of this?

Shouldn't that "but" be an "and"? Because if so, you perfectly describe it.

[BTBaboon]

Originally Posted by rconverse

So all of these Trump nuts are dumb and nothing matters anymore but if it weren't for Russia and the FBI, Clinton would be president. Am I getting the jist of this?

I'm sure there will eventually be enough publicly available data to analyze the effect of both the Russian interference and support for Trump, as well as the impact of the FBI's decisions to make the Clinton probe very public while shielding the Trump campaign probe from making headlines.

You'd really only need to look at the impact in Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania. 3 states with razor thin margins that went to Trump and gave him the EC win.

[Bostonsux013]

It's amazing what some people will say behind closed doors in relation to their thoughts on Trump. I am in a group chat with 4-5 republican friends who are well aware of all of Trump's wrongdoings. They see this as a win.

It reminds me of the sensation you get when you root for the guy streaking at a football game. You know its wrong but you go along with it and cheer on the naked guy running through the grass even though you know many children in the stands are being exposed to him.

But wake up...this is the Presidency. It's crazy that when these same people go out in public they talk about how much they love America and the Constitution but then readily admit in our chat that they know Trump is not fit for the Presidency, however, they hate Democrats so much and enjoy the entertainment value out of Donald. Nobody hates Democrats or Obama more than Trump and these two facts are all that matters going into that voting booth.

[Climb2safety]

Originally Posted by BTBaboon

But globalization has benefitted the economy as a whole, and the benefits far outweigh the negative impacts - that's not an opinion, that has a large amount of supporting data.

You make it sound as if we give away all the economic benefit and dont reap any of it on our own.

I understand why some people are against it; largely because it's what they've been told to do. They've been told their plight is solely the fault of globalists, and it simply isn't true. I understand why it may give some comfort to have a single point of focus to blame for all the ills in your world. But it is misguided.

There have been winners and losers is my only point and I see why the losers aren’t too keen on it. And I don’t think it’s what they’ve been told to say either. I think it’s had a real impact on some people’s lives.

It’s a redistribution if wealth and net net no way we could be getting the same or more benefits. We have to be getting cut short overall.

[BTBaboon]

Originally Posted by Climb2safety

The benefits just trickle down you say?

If you're going down the road of comparing the benefits of globalization for the middle class versus tax cuts to the wealthy and it trickling down to the middle class, let's just stop right there.

You don't have to make that terrible argument.

[Climb2safety]

Originally Posted by BTBaboon

If you're going down the road of comparing the benefits of globalization for the middle class versus tax cuts to the wealthy and it trickling down to the middle class, let's just stop right there.

You don't have to make that terrible argument.

The point I was making is it’s a long shot to expect every day people to recognize and be thankful for intangible benefits they are supposed to be receiving

[MDPrompter]

Originally Posted by Climb2safety

There have been winners and losers is my only point and I see why the losers aren’t too keen on it. And I don’t think it’s what they’ve been told to say either. I think it’s had a real impact on some people’s lives.

It’s a redistribution if wealth and net net no way we could be getting the same or more benefits. We have to be getting cut short overall.

source? or is this your feelings?

[zajDmB1]

Originally Posted by Climb2safety

The benefits just trickle down you say?

Originally Posted by Climb2safety

The point I was making is it’s a long shot to expect every day people to recognize and be thankful for intangible benefits they are supposed to be receiving

There is plenty of data that shows the economy going through normal cycles (including lots and lots of growth over however many decades-long time frame you want) and average wages staying the same.

So yes, obviously a stronger economy benefits people. And our strong economy has a shitload of help from a global economy. Nobody argues this.

On the flip side, stagnant wages shows that trickle-down in the sense you're bringing it up is largely bullshit peddled by hucksters.

[Climb2safety]

Originally Posted by mdmarvich

source? or is this your feelings?

That it’s a form of redistribution of wealth?

You say it is not?

[MDPrompter]

Originally Posted by Climb2safety

That it’s a form of redistribution of wealth?

You say it is not?

Is our GDP declining?

Are America's rich getting poorer?

What am I missing here?

[Climb2safety]

Originally Posted by mdmarvich

Is our GDP declining?

Are America's rich getting poorer?

What am I missing here?

Well. For one thing your missing giving me a straight answer.

[MDPrompter]

Originally Posted by Climb2safety

Well. For one thing your missing giving me a straight answer.

Dude - you are making claims based on your feelings.

Fact: the american rich are getting richer

Fact: US GDP continues to grow

so what's your counterpoint?

[TwoStep2888]

love to redistribute wealth

[MDPrompter]

Originally Posted by TwoStep2888

love to redistribute wealth

I don't think we need to redistribute...I just think we need to direct more of future growth to increasing wages for the working class.

[Route_2]

@amyklobuchar
Breaking: the U.S. Senate just voted 52-47 vote on the bill to restore #NetNeutrality and to protect a fair and open internet. Amazing victory for consumers, small businesses and rural communities. Final vote at 3. Watch on CSpan!
https://twitter.com/amyklobuchar

[TheLastPig]

Originally Posted by Route_2

@amyklobuchar
Breaking: the U.S. Senate just voted 52-47 vote on the bill to restore #NetNeutrality and to protect a fair and open internet. Amazing victory for consumers, small businesses and rural communities. Final vote at 3. Watch on CSpan!
https://twitter.com/amyklobuchar

Truly amazing it passed to me.

When people put pressure on their gov't officials, things get done.


Remember this the next time you make a snide comment toward protesters.

[mthawk07]

Holy shit the Senate did something right!