Expectations

[aronofsky41]

Originally Posted by SeekUpSaratoga

I have high hopes for the new album. Lilywhite back at the helm should result in some very good music.

Also, I really enjoy Busted Stuff. Sure, it doesn't compare to the Lilywhite Sessions but there is some great music on it. I don't understand how it "blows"

It's just an opinion. Nothing to understand.

[#41Tom]

Well what a wildly interesting backread that was.

#5minutesi'llnevergetback

[burningone]

Originally Posted by TMoore4075

I have to say hearing a certain version first and liking it can change your opinion of later versions. I always kinda wonder what people would think of BS if they had never heard the LWS versions.

This rings true for me and I can tell you what I think since I didn't hear the LWS until long after BS came out. I can't even listen to LWS. It's awful. I don't think BS is great by any means, but I'm used to those versions. LWS Grey Street? Ugh. Kill me.

[mja271]

In terms of production, I'm expecting it to be pretty solid. Songwriting wise, I'm expecting something along the lines of BW, hopefully a bit better overall. I think the potential is there, but I'm not getting overly excited until we get to hear some things.

[aronofsky41]

Originally Posted by mja271

In terms of production, I'm expecting it to be pretty solid. Songwriting wise, I'm expecting something along the lines of BW, hopefully a bit better overall. I think the potential is there, but I'm not getting overly excited until we get to hear some things.

In terms of production, I'm expecting AMAZING.

[mja271]

heh, you are one excited fan

[aronofsky41]

Originally Posted by mja271

heh, you are one excited fan

I've had to change my underwear about every five minutes since it became apparent that Steve was back in the fold.

[aronofsky41]

@Crashintonick: Nick, I enjoyed giving you a hard time about Busted Stuff, but obviously you have every right to think that the album is great. It's just fun to discuss. At any rate, people give you a lot of shit on here, and I just don't want you think that the shit I was giving you about BS was coming from any serious place. I enjoy your contributions to this board very much.

That's all.

[mja271]

I don't get it

[420th jimi]

[jaymas9]

I actually hope Carter stays as aggressive as he was on BW. Not that he was restrained at all on Lillywhite records, but I love him uber aggressive, because to me, he's the most talented member of the band, and I love songs driven by him.

[coolhotwaves]

I expect it to come in a little better than BW, but not much. It would be hard to top Busted Stuff, that album is chock full of greatness.

[TheStone91]

Originally Posted by TMoore4075

I have to say hearing a certain version first and liking it can change your opinion of later versions. I always kinda wonder what people would think of BS if they had never heard the LWS versions.

I had no idea what the LWS were until I joined AM. I love Busted Stuff (album). I group it with the "Big 3", so "Big 4" to me. The only song I don't like on BS is Captain, but I love the LWS version.

[stlbluespower]

I'll say slightly better than BW and I like BW a bunch. I have a hard time thnking it may approach Big 4 status.

Not necessarily correlated to quality, but I sure hope they extend multiple studio tracks upwards of 5-6 minutes.

[aronofsky41]

Originally Posted by stlbluespower

I'll say slightly better than BW and I like BW a bunch. I have a hard time thnking it may approach Big 4 status.

Not necessarily correlated to quality, but I sure hope they extend multiple studio tracks upwards of 5-6 minutes.

- It could be a LOT better than Big Whiskey and still fall way short of the big 3 IMO. I see a vast gulf there. And I also like BW.

- I agree. But I don't think it's an accident that the band's most beloved studio album also features the longest tracklengths. I think there is at least a little bit of correlation with song length and song quality when it comes to this band in the studio.

[#41Tom]

Originally Posted by jaymas9

I actually hope Carter stays as aggressive as he was on BW. Not that he was restrained at all on Lillywhite records, but I love him uber aggressive, because to me, he's the most talented member of the band, and I love songs driven by him.

I love songs driven by him when what he's playing is also subtle and quality. The Stone and #41 are arguably driven by him and the accoustic guitar over anything, and that's when Carter's at his best IMO, using mostly hat work to shape his grooves. I'd like more like this. And grace notes. Bring back grace notes! It's not that I hate BW per se, but his style of drumming has completely changed since the LW years. I prefer his old style...

[jaymas9]

Originally Posted by #41Tom

I love songs driven by him when what he's playing is also subtle and quality. The Stone and #41 are arguably driven by him and the accoustic guitar over anything, and that's when Carter's at his best IMO, using mostly hat work to shape his grooves. I'd like more like this. And grace notes. Bring back grace notes! It's not that I hate BW per se, but his style of drumming has completely changed since the LW years. I prefer his old style...

Yea it's a style thing no doubt, but his drumming to me on BW was busy, just in a different way, and sometimes it's refreshing to see the change sometimes. The guy can play in so many different ways, which is just spectacular. And honestly, at the end of the day, as long as he remains Carter which ED and Stand Up totally did away with, then I'm fine. I also have no doubt with Lillywhite, we won't have to worry about Carter's contribution.

And I agree on #41 wholeheartedly.

[Yield151]

I voted between BS and BW as my expectation overall... But for production I expect big 3. I just don't know if Dave has big 3 lyrics in him anymore .... Not enough for a whole album anyway. But hey if I keep my expectations low then that leaves room for me to blown away. I really don't want to over hype over it.

[CGTP13]

Another plus is that Lillywhite has said in interviews, that he tried to capture DMB's live sound in the studio (extending songs, solos, etc.) Hopefully that happens.

I expect Rashawn and Jeff will do great things on this album. The two of them are already fantastic musicians, add in Lillywhite, it's a recipe for success.

[aronofsky41]

Originally Posted by CGTP13

Another plus is that Lillywhite has said in interviews, that he tried to capture DMB's live sound in the studio (extending songs, solos, etc.) Hopefully that happens.

I expect Rashawn and Jeff will do great things on this album. The two of them are already fantastic musicians, add in Lillywhite, it's a recipe for success.

Glen Ballard specifically told and convinced Dave that they had no business recording long solos in the studio.

I think Dave has never recovered from this horrible piece of "advice."

But hopefully Steve will help him now!

[CGTP13]

Originally Posted by aronofsky41

Glen Ballard specifically told and convinced Dave that they had no business recording long solos in the studio.

I think Dave has never recovered from this horrible piece of "advice."

But hopefully Steve will help him now!

A huge difference between the first 3 albums and BS/LWs and ED, SU and BW is track length.

Plenty of songs on the Big 3 went anywhere from 4-8/9 minutes long. SU, ED and BW rarely hit 5 minutes. Solos are probably the 2nd most important aspect of this album. First being lyrics. If Dave can write songs like Baby Blue, Squirm, LITHOG and A-Pie then I'll be perfectly satisfied.

[aronofsky41]

Originally Posted by CGTP13

A huge difference between the first 3 albums and BS/LWs and ED, SU and BW is track length.

Plenty of songs on the Big 3 went anywhere from 4-8/9 minutes long. SU, ED and BW rarely hit 5 minutes. Solos are probably the 2nd most important aspect of this album. First being lyrics. If Dave can write songs like Baby Blue, Squirm, LITHOG and A-Pie then I'll be perfectly satisfied.

I'd actually rank importance with musical composition first, then lyrics, then solos. I do think they can make an excellent record with nothing but four minute songs, but those songs have to be Rhyme and Reason / Too Much / Spoon type quality.

[#41Tom]

Originally Posted by CGTP13

A huge difference between the first 3 albums and BS/LWs and ED, SU and BW is track length.

Plenty of songs on the Big 3 went anywhere from 4-8/9 minutes long. SU, ED and BW rarely hit 5 minutes. Solos are probably the 2nd most important aspect of this album. First being lyrics. If Dave can write songs like Baby Blue, Squirm, LITHOG and A-Pie then I'll be perfectly satisfied.

I don't want more songs about sex

[aronofsky41]

Originally Posted by #41Tom

I don't want more songs about sex

In serious, I hope Dave doesn't write more than one song explicitly about sex.

BTCS has it's Rapunzel and it works great. But most of Dave's songs about sex (Cornbread, Seven, Shake Me) are not lyrical masterpieces and I really hope he tries to branch out.

Also, he should spend more time talking about anal and less about oral. I think we know by now that Dave wants to go down on you.

[CGTP13]

Originally Posted by aronofsky41

I'd actually rank importance with musical composition first, then lyrics, then solos. I do think they can make an excellent record with nothing but four minute songs, but those songs have to be Rhyme and Reason / Too Much / Spoon type quality.

That's why lyric writing is most important to me. Dave can write all the songs in the 4 minute range he wants to if the lyrics are as good Spoon and Rhyme.

[aronofsky41]

Originally Posted by CGTP13

That's why lyric writing is most important to me. Dave can write all the songs in the 4 minute range he wants to if the lyrics are as good Spoon and Rhyme.

I hear ya, but the music needs to be there for me too. The melodies, harmonies. riffs, etc. They need to be beautiful, interesting, non-cliche. etc.

[#41Tom]

Originally Posted by aronofsky41

In serious, I hope Dave doesn't write more than one song explicitly about sex.

BTCS has it's Rapunzel and it works great. But most of Dave's songs about sex (Cornbread, Seven, Shake Me) are not lyrical masterpieces and I really hope he tries to branch out.

Also, he should spend more time talking about anal and less about oral. I think we know by now that Dave wants to go down on you.

Agreed888

[stlbluespower]

Originally Posted by aronofsky41

In serious, I hope Dave doesn't write more than one song explicitly about sex.

BTCS has it's Rapunzel and it works great. But most of Dave's songs about sex (Cornbread, Seven, Shake Me) are not lyrical masterpieces and I really hope he tries to branch out.

Also, he should spend more time talking about anal and less about oral. I think we know by now that Dave wants to go down on you.

I'd say the over/under is at 2 songs with oral sex lyrics. I even think Crush has a few lyrics implying oral sex. As long as Dave stays classy, like Rapunzel, I'm fine. Crude lyrics like Cornbread and Hunger will hopefully not appear.

[martindcx1e]

I say its as good as BS or just above it.

[aronofsky41]

In virtue of not being Stand Up, this album already comes in ahead of Stand Up. So that's a good sign.