General Discussion on Setlists as a Whole This Year

[Bmwm3oz]

Originally Posted by dmbnut21

Careful... you think you are willing him to play Spoon. Dave thinks you want him to play Stir It Up.

I'm going to go buy a Costco membership and then buy a 5,000 count box of plastic Spoons and bring them to the Gorge. I don't know if I can get him to play Spoon but I do know I can single handled hurt the environment. Take that UN Environmental Ambassadors!

Funny thing is all the earth friendly wooks who drove their gas guzzlers to the Gorge will cry about how wasteful it is to throw plastic spoons around the Gorge, meanwhile they'll be happy to toss glow sticks all over the venue.

[Antiramie]

I wouldn’t mind if I heard Stand Up.

[Bmwm3oz]

Originally Posted by Antiramie

I wouldn’t mind if I heard Stand Up.

Is that because you want to hear it, or because you want other fans to have a good time?

[dmbnut21]

Originally Posted by Bmwm3oz

Funny thing is all the earth friendly wooks who drove their gas guzzlers to the Gorge will cry about how wasteful it is to throw plastic spoons around the Gorge, meanwhile they'll be happy to toss glow sticks all over the venue.

Accurate. And annoying. Maybe I'll buy a bunch of earth friendly bio-degradable spoons.

Originally Posted by Bmwm3oz

Is that because you want to hear it, or because you want other fans to have a good time?

This will not make me have a good time....

[Bmwm3oz]

Originally Posted by dmbnut21

Accurate. And annoying. Maybe I'll buy a bunch of earth friendly bio-degradable spoons.



This will not make me have a good time....

Honestly thinking about this.. if the fans were tossing biodegradable organic grass fed spoons all over the Gorge, would anyone on stage get it? The IEM would be awesome to hear... I imagine someone would figure it out

[Antiramie]

Originally Posted by Bmwm3oz

Is that because you want to hear it, or because you want other fans to have a good time?

Pretty indifferent to it. A lot of other songs I’d rather not hear than Stand Up.

[Bmwm3oz]

Originally Posted by Antiramie

Pretty indifferent to it. A lot of other songs I’d rather not hear than Stand Up.

Just giving you crap dude. Maybe I had the wrong person. Someone in the beginning of this thread said they are only interested in others having a good time and not themselves when it comes to setlists.

[Antiramie]

Originally Posted by Bmwm3oz

Just giving you crap dude. Maybe I had the wrong person. Someone in the beginning of this thread said they are only interested in others having a good time and not themselves when it comes to setlists.

It’s the billionth time what I said was misinterpreted, so I just ignored it this time

[Bmwm3oz]

Originally Posted by Antiramie

It’s the billionth time what I said was misinterpreted, so I just ignored it this time

I've been intentionally misinterpreting it since the second you posted it.

[dmbnut21]

I actually want everyone else to have a worse time than me. If you aren't first, your last.

Also, I like rare B-sides. So, if they are playing all those I'm insanely happy while all the casuals are sitting there wonder WTF Light Lift Me Up is.

[Antiramie]

Originally Posted by Bmwm3oz

I've been intentionally misinterpreting it since the second you posted it.

Lol I know. I just chose to give a legit response instead of a joking one. All good man

[garagebrothers]

Originally Posted by karczews41

Maybe an unpopular opinion but I’d have a great time with this set

Swap out DDTW and Grey Street and that would be an unbelievable show

[tyler3440]

DMBs fanbase is just not so great these days. I just went to a Widespread Concert and the fans are just way better. People are just a lot more attentive and care for the music. You don’t get anybody having a full conversation while the music is going or any of that BS. They actually listen to music. For example- I’m what you would consider a casual panic fan. So I didn’t really know a few songs between both night. Anyway, I’m not going to start up a conversation with my buddy’s during the song.I’m actually going to pay attention and enjoy it.

DMB fans just can’t seem to get that concept. They don’t play attention to songs like Seek Up, YNK, Raven, Captain, or DT type songs. That’s pretty weak honesty. The majority only react to loud sounds. It’s unfortunate
The fanbase is so watered , and I feel like that’s part of the reason they were playing some of these sets before Iowa.

[Antiramie]

Originally Posted by tyler3440

DMBs fanbase is just not so great these days. I just went to a Widespread Concert and the fans are just way better. People are just a lot more attentive and care for the music. You don’t get anybody having a full conversation while the music is going or any of that BS. They actually listen to music. For example- I’m what you would consider a casual panic fan. So I didn’t really know a few songs between both night. Anyway, I’m not going to start up a conversation with my buddy’s during the song.I’m actually going to pay attention and enjoy it.

DMB fans just can’t seem to get that concept. They don’t play attention to songs like Seek Up, YNK, Raven, Captain, or DT type songs. That’s pretty weak honesty. The majority only react to loud sounds. It’s unfortunate
The fanbase is so watered , and I feel like that’s part of the reason they were playing some of these sets before Iowa.

Every aspect of society is like that now. We live in an age of instant gratification. It's why flashy, loud movies rule box offices and clickbait headlines dominate news feeds.

And the fans aren't the only ones to blame either. Dave, the supply side, is also part of the problem by embodying and/or enabling that behavior, whether because he too just wants loud and danceable songs or because he doesn't want to lose the masses of ticket-buyers that want them.

It's a symbiotic relationship based on vapidness at this point.

[joevol017]

With DMB’s fan base, I don’t think it’s a matter of “loud”...it’s a matter of predictability. The draw of going to multiple shows was the variety and not knowing what was coming next. That aspect is gone. With that said, even though the sets haven’t been as random, the actual shows have been great. The stage set is great this year and the guys are really having fun.

[Antiramie]

Originally Posted by joevol017

With DMB’s fan base, I don’t think it’s a matter of “loud”...it’s a matter of predictability. The draw of going to multiple shows was the variety and not knowing what was coming next. That aspect is gone. With that said, even though the sets haven’t been as random, the actual shows have been great. The stage set is great this year and the guys are really having fun.

I would say familiarity is probably desired ahead of loudness, yes, but familiar songs for those types of fans rarely include ones that are quiet, complex, long, and/or introspective.

The hits and songs with de facto crowd involvement are the usual suspects. Nothing against those types of songs per se, but it’s a shame that some people can’t focus on a relatively unknown song for 5 minutes just because they didn’t hear it on the radio 100 times or get to yell YEAAAAAHHH at some point. It’s kind of like DMB shows turned into Rocky Horror Picture Show viewings, except we’re the audience members that came for the humor and music and not just because it was an excuse to get drunk, throw things, and scream catch-phrases.

[richvisser23]

The extent of my talking during a show is between songs, and something like "that was awesome" or "did you hear..."

If I do talk during a song its at the very beginning and consists of "I am going to the bathroom, do you want a beer?"

[TurboPGT]

Originally Posted by tyler3440

DMBs fanbase is just not so great these days. I just went to a Widespread Concert and the fans are just way better. People are just a lot more attentive and care for the music. You don’t get anybody having a full conversation while the music is going or any of that BS. They actually listen to music. For example- I’m what you would consider a casual panic fan. So I didn’t really know a few songs between both night. Anyway, I’m not going to start up a conversation with my buddy’s during the song.I’m actually going to pay attention and enjoy it.

DMB fans just can’t seem to get that concept. They don’t play attention to songs like Seek Up, YNK, Raven, Captain, or DT type songs. That’s pretty weak honesty. The majority only react to loud sounds. It’s unfortunate
The fanbase is so watered , and I feel like that’s part of the reason they were playing some of these sets before Iowa.

Originally Posted by Antiramie

Every aspect of society is like that now. We live in an age of instant gratification. It's why flashy, loud movies rule box offices and clickbait headlines dominate news feeds.

And the fans aren't the only ones to blame either. Dave, the supply side, is also part of the problem by embodying and/or enabling that behavior, whether because he too just wants loud and danceable songs or because he doesn't want to lose the masses of ticket-buyers that want them.

It's a symbiotic relationship based on vapidness at this point.

My thought process has always been that the casual drunktard does not know or care what's being played 75% of the time at any concert by any band. So why give a single fuck about "what" is played for their sake?

As long as they throw in an Ants Marching here or a Crash Into Me there, those walking dunce caps will have their moment.

The truth is that Dave is one of these walking dunce caps. He's one of them.

[ToySoldier#34]

It's amazing how much people can bitch even when they aren't playing shows

[Jackstraw343]

Originally Posted by tyler3440

DMBs fanbase is just not so great these days. I just went to a Widespread Concert and the fans are just way better. People are just a lot more attentive and care for the music. You don’t get anybody having a full conversation while the music is going or any of that BS. They actually listen to music. For example- I’m what you would consider a casual panic fan. So I didn’t really know a few songs between both night. Anyway, I’m not going to start up a conversation with my buddy’s during the song.I’m actually going to pay attention and enjoy it.

DMB fans just can’t seem to get that concept. They don’t play attention to songs like Seek Up, YNK, Raven, Captain, or DT type songs. That’s pretty weak honesty. The majority only react to loud sounds. It’s unfortunate
The fanbase is so watered , and I feel like that’s part of the reason they were playing some of these sets before Iowa.

Agreed, but have felt this way for about 13 years. Some artists I go see, and you can hear a pin drop. Amos Lee played with the Colorado Symphony at red rocks and it was astonishingly quiet. You could hear leaves rustling...

Dead & CO shows are a party but no one is really jabbering away during the tunes. Even songs like Stella Blue or Lost Sailor... Quiet slow beautiful songs and people are just honed in.

A DMB show is a lot like going to a really crowded noisy bar. Like there might as well be a jukebox on stage. Half the audience doesn't even face the stage.
I went with a group of friends years ago, and one of them thought I was mad at her because I didn't want to discuss my summer travel plans while Bela Fleck was playing on Dreaming Tree.... Then she proceeded to complain she couldn't even hear Bela Fleck so she was just going to keep talking.

[Antiramie]

Originally Posted by ToySoldier#34

It's amazing how much people can bitch even when they aren't playing shows

Sorry I forgot this was the “General Discussion on Setlists as a Whole This Year Only When the Band is on Stage” thread.

[richvisser23]

Originally Posted by ToySoldier#34

It's amazing how much people can bitch even when they aren't playing shows

At this point this is more of an observation, cause it's true. Just a lot of bleak observations to be had.

However, the band sounds real good so far, even the less than stellar sets. I did have a thought when listening to So Damn Lucky the other day...what if Buddy sang the outro...like on key... could be a great opportunity. I love that outro, but Dave can kill the vibe sometimes with his yells. Just a thought.

[TheLastPig]

DMB crowds definitely are terrible, and it becomes extremely evident when you see another band that has a mostly die hard following, that not bitching.

[ToySoldier#34]

Originally Posted by Antiramie

Sorry I forgot this was the “General Discussion on Setlists as a Whole This Year Only When the Band is on Stage” thread.

Not even discussing setlists, should be general bitching thread but carry on, they'll be back soon enough

[Antiramie]

Originally Posted by ToySoldier#34

Not even discussing setlists, should be general bitching thread but carry on, they'll be back soon enough

The conversation was literally about setlist diversification due to the tendencies/behaviors of fans and Dave when you commented...

[Bmwm3oz]

Have North American DMB fans ever been attentive? I mean, at least half the fan base is back in the late 90s and 2000s were there just to 'hang out' and socialize/drink.

The only attentive DMB fans are in Europe.

[Antiramie]

And if anything this thread should be titled:

“DMB Pie: Why I Should Get More Slices Than You, As Demonstrated Through Personal Show Flow Superiority”

[ToySoldier#34]

Originally Posted by Antiramie

And if anything this thread should be titled:

“DMB Pie: Why I Should Get More Slices Than You, As Demonstrated Through Personal Show Flow Superiority”

I could get on board here

[TheLastPig]

Originally Posted by Bmwm3oz

Have North American DMB fans ever been attentive? I mean, at least half the fan base is back in the late 90s and 2000s were there just to 'hang out' and socialize/drink.

The only attentive DMB fans are in Europe.

Id have to imagine back in the 90's and early 00's the majority were much more attentive.

Im sure it was never to the level of crowd like phish or WSP, but Id be pretty surprised if someone were to say it was just as bad as it is now when DMB was in their heyday.

[Antiramie]

Originally Posted by Bmwm3oz

Have North American DMB fans ever been attentive? I mean, at least half the fan base is back in the late 90s and 2000s were there just to 'hang out' and socialize/drink.

The only attentive DMB fans are in Europe.

What is it about U.S. DMB fans though? I've seen a shit ton of concerts over the years, and can't remember shows besides DMB ones where so many fans are tuned out or blatantly socializing during songs.

Is it the frat following? Like is DMB the Kentucky Derby of bands, where people just go to be seen and get wasted and don't really give a shit about the race?