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Old 06-30-2019, 05:51 AM   #156361
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The most baffling thing in a presidency full of baffling things is watching Trump supporters go out of their way to defend KJU and Putin just because Trump keeps hobnobbing with them.
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    No problem with Trump meeting with NK/Russia (and maybe even eventually Iran). Sometimes the best way to deal with people you disagree with is to sit across a table from them and talk it out. I just wish we'd do it more in our own country.
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    No problem with Trump meeting with NK/Russia (and maybe even eventually Iran). Sometimes the best way to deal with people you disagree with is to sit across a table from them and talk it out. I just wish we'd do it more in our own country.
    Why continue to legitimize NK and KJU? They had 2 meetings, Trump took a dictators word that he didn't know about an American tortured to death, and then after the meeting they fired a missile off. They said theyd shut down nuclear facilities, but they didn't and instead are progressing faster. There's literally not benefit to it. It's a hermit nation rules by a brutal strongman that wants a seat on the world stage and is demand that seat as ransom for holding off on missile launches while still moving towards nuclearization.

    Fuck that noise. It's embarrassing to see this hailed as a good thing.
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    Why continue to legitimize NK and KJU? They had 2 meetings, Trump took a dictators word that he didn't know about an American tortured to death, and then after the meeting they fired a missile off. They said theyd shut down nuclear facilities, but they didn't and instead are progressing faster. There's literally not benefit to it. It's a hermit nation rules by a brutal strongman that wants a seat on the world stage and is demand that seat as ransom for holding off on missile launches while still moving towards nuclearization.

    Fuck that noise. It's embarrassing to see this hailed as a good thing.
    You have to start somewhere with these nutcases... I would've preferred the Obama admin did something but they didn't. You can't ignore them forever.
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    The most baffling thing in a presidency full of baffling things is watching Trump supporters go out of their way to defend KJU and Putin just because Trump keeps hobnobbing with them.
    This.
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    Old 06-30-2019, 07:06 AM   #156366
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    You have to start somewhere with these nutcases... I would've preferred the Obama admin did something but they didn't. You can't ignore them forever.
    Does it bother you that he seems to take a "bend the knee" approach with our allies while simultaneously taking a "they can't do anything wrong" with our foes?

    It bothers me that he treats our enemies as friends and our friends as enemies. He does it in domestic and international politics. He likes kju better than he likes democrats.

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    Old 06-30-2019, 07:08 AM   #156367
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    You have to start somewhere with these nutcases... I would've preferred the Obama admin did something but they didn't. You can't ignore them forever.
    You don't give a rogue nation a seat at the table just because they're waiving nukes around. You can have talks without gushing over dictators and taking their word about Americans they murdered. You certainly don't do any of that while they continue to enhance their nuclear program and fire missiles.

    Obama, and past Presidents were doing something - they sanctioned the hell out of NK, worked with allies/friendlies in the region, and kept the threat at bay.

    Look at the Iran deal for contrast - Obama did none of the glad handing, praising Trump is doing, and got verifiable means in place to put restrictions on Iran's nuclear programs, and he didn't give their leader a national stage or any of this fanfare bullshit Trump has. Obama got slack for negotiating without pre-conditions, and I think rightly so. Trump is so far up creek from that, it's unbelievable.

    Trump's there for a photo op and nothing more. Our leader kneeling to dictators is a national security threat and an embarrassment, full stop.
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    And with regards to Russia, that's just as bad - trusting Vladimir Putin over our intelligence agencies and joking about foreign attacks on our democracy is sickening. Helsinki was maybe a top 3 worst moment in American foreign-relations history.
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    The most baffling thing in a presidency full of baffling things is watching Trump supporters go out of their way to defend KJU and Putin just because Trump keeps hobnobbing with them.
    "Liberals hate it, so it must be good" seems to be a guiding principle.
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    Here's a moron suggesting Trump should receive a Nobel for this: https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/harr...-for-much-less

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    The bold is a straight up lie.

    They likely detonated a nuclear weapons in 2017, which caused a collapse of their facility. But since then they've moved to a new facility where they continue to test (as of April of this year): https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.the...ns-of-activity

    Talk about fake news...and then there's this:

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    I want whatever drugs this guy is on.
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    Yea I’ve got no problem with him meeting people but he seems to walk into these meetings already cucked because he just wants to say he did it. Nothing really happens that makes him or us look better.

    And from a political bullshit point of view...roll tape of Fox News/right wing losers raging for 8 years about Obama saying he’d meet with enemies.
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    Another person dies in ICE custody

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    Does it bother you that he seems to take a "bend the knee" approach with our allies while simultaneously taking a "they can't do anything wrong" with our foes?

    It bothers me that he treats our enemies as friends and our friends as enemies. He does it in domestic and international politics. He likes kju better than he likes democrats.
    I prefer the approach he’s taking now with NK over ignoring them and/or antagonizing them. It seems to be working to an extent because they are not testing missies etc. at the rate in which they once were.

    I always thought it was dumb for people to say Obama shouldn’t meet with our enemies... the same people who seem to be ok with Trump doing it. But that’s the hypocrisy of politics. I could give a fuck about party lines... I’d just rather have a our enemies have a diminished desire to wipe us off the planet.
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    When is 'once' to you? Because I believe JMC brought this up before a while ago and baboon and I linked to a wiki showing there's been more tests during Trump than Obama's entire run
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    Yea I’ve got no problem with him meeting people but he seems to walk into these meetings already cucked because he just wants to say he did it. Nothing really happens that makes him or us look better.



    And from a political bullshit point of view...roll tape of Fox News/right wing losers raging for 8 years about Obama saying he’d meet with enemies.

    Tucker Carlson justifies KJU's murderous regime: "You've got to be honest about what it means to lead a country, it means killing people. A lot of countries commit atrocities, including our allies."

    Carlson adds, 'it's silly and stupid to point out KJU is 'so mean''


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    I always thought it was dumb for people to say Obama shouldn’t meet with our enemies... the same people who seem to be ok with Trump doing it. But that’s the hypocrisy of politics. I could give a fuck about party lines... I’d just rather have a our enemies have a diminished desire to wipe us off the planet.
    I agree with the principle of this — you don't make peace with your allies.

    If Trump accomplishes disarmament, yes, that is a good thing for us and for the world.

    However, I think the results have been no better than when, say, China met with them unilaterally. Kim signed a piece of paper and kept right on doing what he wanted.
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    When is 'once' to you? Because I believe JMC brought this up before a while ago and baboon and I linked to a wiki showing there's been more tests during Trump than Obama's entire run
    Since their first meeting.

    Look, I’m all about self preservation... if it takes our President to pretend to be nice to our enemies, so be it. When Trump was calling Kim ‘little rocket man’ and the insults were flying back and forth aaaaand they were testing missies at an alarming rate, I thought sure that would escalate to war. I don’t want anything to do with a war with that nutjob and Trump calling the shots. What they are doing now is far more preferable.
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    I prefer the approach he’s taking now with NK over ignoring them and/or antagonizing them. It seems to be working to an extent because they are not testing missies etc. at the rate in which they once were.
    This is false.

    On November 15th, 2018: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/15/w...al-weapon.html

    On May 4th, 2019: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/03/w...a-missile.html

    On May 9th, 2019: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/n...-says-n1003626

    3 in an 8 month span is a higher rate/frequency than we saw under Obama. Outside of 2017 (which was a high-activity year), Trump's had no more success preventing missile launches and nuclear testing than any recent President - and those listed above all came AFTER the first summit. Maybe the narrative is that Trump is making an impact, but the reality and facts suggest otherwise.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List..._missile_tests

    (Some listed in the wiki link are satellite launches and failed tests, as well)
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    Tucker Carlson justifies KJU's murderous regime: "You've got to be honest about what it means to lead a country, it means killing people. A lot of countries commit atrocities, including our allies."

    Carlson adds, 'it's silly and stupid to point out KJU is 'so mean''


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    The most baffling thing in a presidency full of baffling things is watching Trump supporters go out of their way to defend KJU and Putin just because Trump keeps hobnobbing with them.
    Like I said.
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    Since their first meeting.
    Since the first meeting there have been 3 discrete launch/test days - including multiple missiles during the recent two...
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    Tucker Carlson justifies KJU's murderous regime: "You've got to be honest about what it means to lead a country, it means killing people. A lot of countries commit atrocities, including our allies."

    Carlson adds, 'it's silly and stupid to point out KJU is 'so mean''


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    This is false.

    On November 15th, 2018: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/15/w...al-weapon.html

    On May 4th, 2019: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/03/w...a-missile.html

    On May 9th, 2019: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/n...-says-n1003626

    3 in an 8 month span is a higher rate/frequency than we saw under Obama. Outside of 2017 (which was a high-activity year), Trump's had no more success preventing missile launches and nuclear testing than any recent President - and those listed above all came AFTER the first summit. Maybe the narrative is that Trump is making an impact, but the reality and facts suggest otherwise.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List..._missile_tests

    (Some listed in the wiki link are satellite launches and failed tests, as well)
    Well I’m not simply going to discount that... like I said, seemed like we were on the brink of things blowing up with NK. It’s calmed down some since. Never said it had gone away... just taken down from the boiling point it seemed to be at.
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    Well I’m not simply going to discount that... like I said, seemed like we were on the brink of things blowing up with NK. It’s calmed down some since. Never said it had gone away... just taken down from the boiling point it seemed to be at.
    Right. The point is that trump has legitimized kju. He's acting exactly the same and yet Americans think it's better.

    That's the whole thing people are upset about.
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    Well I’m not simply going to discount that... like I said, seemed like we were on the brink of things blowing up with NK. It’s calmed down some since. Never said it had gone away... just taken down from the boiling point it seemed to be at.
    Yeah, things were blowing up because our Twitter president was antagonizing and threatening nuclear war so NK responded like crazy nation would. I discounted for the sole reason that including it would make Trump's tenure look SO much worse. I was giving him the benefit there - but if you don't want to discount it that's fine by me; it just makes things look worse.

    You don't give credit to someone who created a mess out of thin air and then gets things mostly cleaned up. That what you're doing with Trump here. And by comparing Obama on NK, you're also ignoring that the data says that post-summit that NK is still launching/testing at a higher rate than during Obama's presidency.

    Nothing Trump is doing makes us safer. He made a mess in 2017, then to clean that mess up he gave a hermit nation exactly what their brutal dictator wanted - a seat at the table. And in return there were no concessions made, NK continues to advance their nuclear desires and fire missiles towards our allies in the area. He's there for photo ops and nothing more. And in the process he's bent his knee and disgraced an American family who had their son murdered at the hands of that nation by trusting Kim Jung Un's word.
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    The single biggest issue I have with Trump cozying up to an evil, brutal piece of shit like KJU is the symbolism. The complete antithesis of what America is supposed to represent.
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    As usual, Tucker has a take. What a doofus
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    Maybe he'll learn something from ole Kim, like how to be effective.
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    Since their first meeting.



    Look, I’m all about self preservation... if it takes our President to pretend to be nice to our enemies, so be it. When Trump was calling Kim ‘little rocket man’ and the insults were flying back and forth aaaaand they were testing missies at an alarming rate, I thought sure that would escalate to war. I don’t want anything to do with a war with that nutjob and Trump calling the shots. What they are doing now is far more preferable.
    War should be the least of your worries if anyone launches a Nuke in the 21st century.
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    War should be the least of your worries if anyone launches a Nuke in the 21st century.
    War/nukes... yeah, all bad.

    I mean what do people prefer?

    Continue ignoring them while they continue build an arsenal?
    Antagonize them?
    Engage them in talks?

    My preference is the last option... I don’t really care who’s doing it. Trump, Obama, Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders, whoever the hell is next... just keep the communication going.
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