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Old 07-12-2008, 02:13 AM   #1
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no butch = no american baby intro? why not?

so i was listening to the portugal live trax a couple days ago...of course thinking how incredible the #41 is...and then listened to ABI...

when it was announced that butch wasn't going to play the tour, everyone wrote ABI off as a song they couldn't play without him.... why not?

i for one love this song...you can say that dave just screams or whatever, but this song gets you goin...especially when it segues into two step circa 2007...boyds violen really reminds me of blue water...yes, i know, blue water, but thats what it sounds like to me...and stefan is great on this song also..

what do you guys think? this song for me is second on stand up behind hello again, and i think the band could do a good justice to this song, not to mention jeff...

give me an opinion guys...i know you will!
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    Re: no butch = no american baby intro? why not?

    i mean dave does just scream or whatever
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    Old 07-12-2008, 04:03 AM   #3
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    Re: no butch = no american baby intro? why not?

    not complaining, song is ok. i can listen to tapes if i want to hear it thank you.
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    Old 07-12-2008, 04:07 AM   #4
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    Re: no butch = no american baby intro? why not?

    I wouldn't really call it a "song."
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    Old 07-12-2008, 04:09 AM   #5
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    Re: no butch = no american baby intro? why not?

    track? sneeze? tones? vocal strain?
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    Re: no butch = no american baby intro? why not?

    I'd like to see a little experiment and hear ABI in the album way - no screaming, no long jam, just an.... intro to American Baby.
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    Re: no butch = no american baby intro? why not?

    Tim could fill for BT, it wouldn't be all that bad, perhaps not as long as it has been in the past. They did a lot with it last tour, esp. the version from Alpine Valley on the sampler .
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    Re: no butch = no american baby intro? why not?

    I had made a thread about this a couple weeks ago, and i said that it is possible for them to do it. My rationale was if they were going to bring a piano out for Out of My Hands, why not surprise everybody and just go into ABI instead. Dave knows how to play the piano, and he could take over Butch's part, while Tim plays the acoustic. I think it could definitely work, and while I for one love the screaming, it does put a strain on his voice. I think if Dave was at the piano it would look a little weird with him sitting and screaming haha. I think more of a wailing part during "She said..." would be fantastic. I would love for them to bring it back this summer and to see Dave on the piano during it. Now I know that like 85% of the people on here could care less about this song, but I'm a fan, and it needs to be played
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    Old 07-12-2008, 04:31 AM   #9
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    I had made a thread about this a couple weeks ago, and i said that it is possible for them to do it. My rationale was if they were going to bring a piano out for Out of My Hands, why not surprise everybody and just go into ABI instead. Dave knows how to play the piano, and he could take over Butch's part, while Tim plays the acoustic. I think it could definitely work, and while I for one love the screaming, it does put a strain on his voice. I think if Dave was at the piano it would look a little weird with him sitting and screaming haha. I think more of a wailing part during "She said..." would be fantastic. I would love for them to bring it back this summer and to see Dave on the piano during it. Now I know that like 85% of the people on here could care less about this song, but I'm a fan, and it needs to be played
    the piano was a big part of it, however, they have replaced a lot of what Butch has done with Tim's riffs, so it would kick ass with Tim.
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    Old 07-12-2008, 04:36 AM   #10
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    I had made a thread about this a couple weeks ago, and i said that it is possible for them to do it. My rationale was if they were going to bring a piano out for Out of My Hands, why not surprise everybody and just go into ABI instead. Dave knows how to play the piano, and he could take over Butch's part, while Tim plays the acoustic. I think it could definitely work, and while I for one love the screaming, it does put a strain on his voice. I think if Dave was at the piano it would look a little weird with him sitting and screaming haha. I think more of a wailing part during "She said..." would be fantastic. I would love for them to bring it back this summer and to see Dave on the piano during it. Now I know that like 85% of the people on here could care less about this song, but I'm a fan, and it needs to be played
    I think that sounds cool. Would definitely be a little different.
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    Re: no butch = no american baby intro? why not?

    Bring it on back please, just not so often that it screws Dave's voice. All reports so far are that he's really been great now that he's not not straining his voice so much.

    I loved Butch in this song but i'd be open to hear what Tim can do with it, still plenty of tour to go.
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    Old 07-12-2008, 07:54 AM   #12
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    Re: no butch = no american baby intro? why not?

    because this song sucks
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    Wow, I sure hope they never play this bomb again.
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    Old 07-12-2008, 08:00 AM   #14
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    Why does there need to be a piano in ABI?!?!?!?

    Answer= There doesn't
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    Re: no butch = no american baby intro? why not?

    they should do it more like the album version, where dave can play the piano and Tim could do the machine gun!
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    Old 07-12-2008, 08:06 AM   #16
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    Re: no butch = no american baby intro? why not?

    This song isn't worth the strain it puts on Dave's voice. It's a subpar song that is considered good because of the "energy", which ends up fucking Dave later on in the tour. I'm glad to see it gone and hopefully it stays that way.
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    Old 07-12-2008, 08:18 AM   #17
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    I had made a thread about this a couple weeks ago, and i said that it is possible for them to do it. My rationale was if they were going to bring a piano out for Out of My Hands, why not surprise everybody and just go into ABI instead. Dave knows how to play the piano, and he could take over Butch's part, while Tim plays the acoustic. I think it could definitely work, and while I for one love the screaming, it does put a strain on his voice. I think if Dave was at the piano it would look a little weird with him sitting and screaming haha. I think more of a wailing part during "She said..." would be fantastic. I would love for them to bring it back this summer and to see Dave on the piano during it. Now I know that like 85% of the people on here could care less about this song, but I'm a fan, and it needs to be played
    You made some great points, up until the end -- "it needs to be played." No, it doesn't. It had more than its share of the spotlight since 2005. It needs to be shelved (for a while). What NEEDS to be played from Stand Up these days is HELLO AGAIN! Where the fuck did it go?!
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    Old 07-12-2008, 08:29 AM   #18
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    Keep ABI where it is!!
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    People actually like this song? Jesus, what a shitty taste in music...and life in general.
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    i for one love this song...you can say that dave just screams or whatever, but this song gets you goin...

    what do you guys think? this song for me is second on stand up behind hello again
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    Tim could fill for BT, it wouldn't be all that bad, perhaps not as long as it has been in the past. They did a lot with it last tour, esp. the version from Alpine Valley on the sampler .
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    I think it could definitely work, and while I for one love the screaming, it does put a strain on his voice.

    Now I know that like 85% of the people on here could care less about this song, but I'm a fan, and it needs to be played
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    the piano was a big part of it, however, they have replaced a lot of what Butch has done with Tim's riffs, so it would kick ass with Tim.
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    Bring it on back please, just not so often that it screws Dave's voice. All reports so far are that he's really been great now that he's not not straining his voice so much.
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    I wonder how many of those people have seen shows pre-2005...
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    I wonder how many of those people have seen shows pre-2005...
    It shouldn't matter. I didn't see a show until winter '05, but I don't need a 10 year fanhood to know how shitty ABI is.
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    It shouldn't matter. I didn't see a show until winter '05, but I don't need a 10 year fanhood to know how shitty ABI is.
    That's because you have put aside any bias you might have towards your own experience, which is something a lot of people have trouble doing.
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    ABI is the worst "song" (if you can call it that) in the catalog.
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    I wonder how many of those people have seen shows pre-2005...
    been to around 25 lewis...and yah, i understand what all you guys are sayin about this "song"....but i love good MUSIC...daves screaming is prob the worst part of the song, but all i was sayin was the jam at the beginning and end on the portugal live trax is awesome and they could really do somethin with this, especially with tim and jeff...i know some of you guys will never like this song, which i really don't understand, but it has huge potential and would really welcome it if it were played a few times..
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    ABI is what happens when you put absolutely no effort into your songwriting.
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    ABI is what happens when you put absolutely no effort into your songwriting.
    ABI is an intro to AB, as we all know. It evolved into what it is now. I'm sure when they play it, it isn't played for the 5 words used.
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