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[drop2d]

Originally Posted by BTBaboon

On the subject of Schilling, I think the fact that his numbers are iffy (he's just a tick over the average WAR for HoF pitchers, and he'd be bottom tier in ERA) are the primary reason he isn't getting in. The off the field/character clause stuff isn't his primary issue. When compared to his contemporaries, he doesn't stack up.

Smoltz, Pedro, Randy Johnson, Glavine, Maddux, Moose - all above Schilling.

Well, this one his just wrong.

[Roose13]

Originally Posted by Ascf33

Houston is so lucky. They don't come to the Bronx until September. 4 games in the last week of the season. That's going to be awesome.

I was thinking about this the other day. Shame they play the Phillies in Houston. Philly fans would be total assholes toward them and it would be hilarious. I always think back to the shit we gave Barry Bonds.

[drop2d]

https://twitter.com/JimBowdenGM/stat...26513496084481

Jim Bowden

@JimBowdenGM


There is a growing belief amongst NL GM’s that the DH will be instituted for NL as early as 2021. FWIW.

This needed to be done about 20 years ago.

[YouNeverKnow25]

well first: totally agree, should be implemented tomorrow

but second: jim bowden is a complete and total assclown who is so wrong so often that it's pretty unbelievable he still draws a paycheck in media

[Roose13]

I'm not a fan of the DH because I feel everyone should be able to hit. Shame pitchers drop that aspect of their game after H.S. just to focus on throwing. Makes no sense to me.

But I'll like it in the long run because it now extends the careers of power hitters who aren't really the best in the field, giving them the full league's worth of teams to sign with. And it allows NL teams to not have a log jam at corner positions.

Ryan Howard would have been a rookie two years sooner had the Phillies had the option to DH Jim Thome, who also would have never been traded to the White Sox. Bryce Harper and Rhys Hoskins will be positively impacted by it. Catchers that can hit like JT Realmuto could have a night off for their knees while still being valuable in the lineup.

[daveshookme]

Originally Posted by Roose13

I'm not a fan of the DH because I feel everyone should be able to hit. Shame pitchers drop that aspect of their game after H.S. just to focus on throwing. Makes no sense to me.

But I'll like it in the long run because it now extends the careers of power hitters who aren't really the best in the field, giving them the full league's worth of teams to sign with. And it allows NL teams to not have a log jam at corner positions.

Ryan Howard would have been a rookie two years sooner had the Phillies had the option to DH Jim Thome, who also would have never been traded to the White Sox. Bryce Harper and Rhys Hoskins will be positively impacted by it. Catchers that can hit like JT Realmuto could have a night off for their knees while still being valuable in the lineup.

I agree with all of this. I don’t like it on principle or in theory or whatever, but can certainly see the value in it to both teams and players. It really opens up options for teams to sign a utility infielder player like DJLM and rotate then around and give guys nights off. Same in the OF. Carry a fourth OFer and rotate that guy through the lineup.

[ToySoldier#34]

I'm a fan of the DH because I feel everyone should be able to hit

[drop2d]

Originally Posted by YouNeverKnow25

well first: totally agree, should be implemented tomorrow

but second: jim bowden is a complete and total assclown who is so wrong so often that it's pretty unbelievable he still draws a paycheck in media

Yeah, I don't even know who he is... I just saw it retweeted a few times over and he has that famous blue checkmark so I figured it was at least close to 'real'.

[Roose13]

Originally Posted by ToySoldier#34

I'm a fan of the DH because I feel everyone in the lineup should be able to hit

You mean this?

[drop2d]

Originally Posted by Roose13

I'm not a fan of the DH because I feel everyone should be able to hit. Shame pitchers drop that aspect of their game after H.S. just to focus on throwing. Makes no sense to me.

But I'll like it in the long run because it now extends the careers of power hitters who aren't really the best in the field, giving them the full league's worth of teams to sign with. And it allows NL teams to not have a log jam at corner positions.

Ryan Howard would have been a rookie two years sooner had the Phillies had the option to DH Jim Thome, who also would have never been traded to the White Sox. Bryce Harper and Rhys Hoskins will be positively impacted by it. Catchers that can hit like JT Realmuto could have a night off for their knees while still being valuable in the lineup.

I agree... if pitchers could hit, great... let em hit. But they can't so let's get a DH in there.

[Roose13]

Originally Posted by drop2d

Yeah, I don't even know who he is... I just saw it retweeted a few times over and he has that famous blue checkmark so I figured it was at least close to 'real'.

Shit, even I have a blue check mark and I wouldn't trust me

[daveshookme]

Originally Posted by Roose13

You mean this?

“All players should be able to hit, that’s why I support preventing 1/9 of the players to hit” is a pretty odd stance

[ToySoldier#34]

Originally Posted by Roose13

You mean this?

Sure, everyone who goes up to hit should be able to hit, I've never liked the NL automatic out

[BTBaboon]

Originally Posted by ToySoldier#34

Moose doesn't belong in this group, or the HOF

Originally Posted by drop2d

Well, this one his just wrong.

Curt Schilling: 79.5 WAR | Mussina: 82.8 WAR

Not that WAR is the end-all, be-all. But they have some pretty similar stats otherwise. Curt played 2 extra years and thus has a bit more on the counting side. Mussina is definitely lowest of the group I included him with that is in the hall, but I think he's the dividing line. I don't think Schilling is better than him, so I don't think he belongs. Even if they're 100% equivalent players (and they're pretty close) I don't think we need 2 of the same player from the same era in the HoF.

If Moose doesn't belong (and I can get behind that, because fuck the Yankees), then neither does Schilling.

Bloody/Ketchup sock can stay in the Hall, though.

[ToySoldier#34]

I wasn't arguing for Schilling to be in the HOF

[BTBaboon]

Originally Posted by ToySoldier#34

I wasn't arguing for Schilling to be in the HOF

I mean, I think there is a case for him, in a vacuum. 79.5 WAR is 79.5 WAR. It is just a tick above the average WAR for HoF pitchers, and the overall average range for all players is somewhere between 50-70 WAR. So the case can be made that he was of enough value to earn him entry to Cooperstown; again - in a vacuum.

But when discussing whether political views or character issues are preventing someone from getting in, you need to remove the player from the vacuum and compare them to contemporaries. So, if Moose is the worst of the group to get in from Schilling's era, and there's debate over if he belongs, then it's clear that Schilling's issue isn't his political views, but rather it's his body of work that doesn't stack up

[pathetic]

Originally Posted by daveshookme

Who do you think is currently not in the hall that 75% of writers would vote for?

It's tough to say. If there are no max limits to voting there could be more players voted in. I agree that they need to keep narrowing the field, but i don't think this is the way

[Lee3691]

Originally Posted by BTBaboon

Curt Schilling: 79.5 WAR | Mussina: 82.8 WAR

Does this include postseason? Because if not, this is meaningless. I am not a fan of Schilling's anti American politics, but Schilling's postseason pitching makes him a much better candidate than Mussina ever was.

[DMBstandUP1984]

Originally Posted by ToySoldier#34

Sure, everyone who goes up to hit should be able to hit, I've never liked the NL automatic out

In the AL it’s called the V-Tek

[pathetic]

it's always been dumb to have 2 separate set of rules for each league. even dumber when inter-league games happen on a nightly basis. DH should've been implemented in NL years ago

[DMBstandUP1984]

Originally Posted by Lee3691

Does this include postseason? Because if not, this is meaningless. I am not a fan of Schilling's anti American politics, but Schilling's postseason pitching makes him a much better candidate than Mussina ever was.

I’m keeping both of them out of my closet of fame

[drop2d]

Originally Posted by BTBaboon

I mean, I think there is a case for him, in a vacuum. 79.5 WAR is 79.5 WAR. It is just a tick above the average WAR for HoF pitchers, and the overall average range for all players is somewhere between 50-70 WAR. So the case can be made that he was of enough value to earn him entry to Cooperstown; again - in a vacuum.

But when discussing whether political views or character issues are preventing someone from getting in, you need to remove the player from the vacuum and compare them to contemporaries. So, if Moose is the worst of the group to get in from Schilling's era, and there's debate over if he belongs, then it's clear that Schilling's issue isn't his political views, but rather it's his body of work that doesn't stack up

But that's what clearly shows the bias. Schilling's stats are better in all areas with the exception of regular season wins. He also had more votes initially than Moose and was outpacing him. But b/c he can't keep his mouth shut, he hasn't been able to keep up that pace.

I don't know if I can bet on it or not... but if I could, I'd bet he doesn't get in next year either and ends up with less votes than this year. It's an election year... he'll be mouthier than usual.

[DMBstandUP1984]

Originally Posted by drop2d

But that's what clearly shows the bias. Schilling's stats are better in all areas with the exception of regular season wins. He also had more votes initially than Moose and was outpacing him. But b/c he can't keep his mouth shut, he hasn't been able to keep up that pace.



I don't know if I can bet on it or not... but if I could, I'd bet he doesn't get in next year either and ends up with less votes than this year. It's an election year... he'll be mouthier than usual.

I posted an article on the difference they were still voting for him regardless of what he was saying until he tweeted the hanging journalist thing.

[pathetic]

pretty sure the schilling tweets that people have an issue with weren't original thoughts, they were retweets. Also there's people out there that call him a nazi sympathizer because he collects WW2 memorabilia

[daveshookme]

Originally Posted by pathetic

It's tough to say. If there are no max limits to voting there could be more players voted in. I agree that they need to keep narrowing the field, but i don't think this is the way

There could be, but I don’t see it happening. Maybe (probably) there’s better ways, but I dunno what they are.

That’s just what I’d like to see if I were running things.

[drop2d]

Originally Posted by DMBstandUP1984

I posted an article on the difference they were still voting for him regardless of what he was saying until he tweeted the hanging journalist thing.

Hard to say... his drop in votes also coincided with the last election.

[DMBstandUP1984]

Originally Posted by pathetic

pretty sure the schilling tweets that people have an issue with weren't original thoughts, they were retweets. Also there's people out there that call him a nazi sympathizer because he collects WW2 memorabilia

My favorite Curt so good moment was when he rented that truck to drive supplies to Houston and the truck broke down and he just left it.

[DMBstandUP1984]

Originally Posted by drop2d

Hard to say... his drop in votes also coincided with the last election.

Around the same time he retweeted that tweet

[Ascf33]

Hadn't seen anyone post this here yet. Pretty wild. A guy went through every single video available and logged every single bang for the 2017 season and broke it down comprehensibly, including the player data.

https://twitter.com/adams_at/status/1222506644761911296

I’m an Astros fan. To understand the scope of the Astros cheating & the players involved, I logged every trashcan bang from every Astros 2017 home game w/ video available. Over 8,200 pitches watched and over 1,100 trashcan bangs found. The results are at http://signstealingscandal.com.

[Ascf33]

Some key takeaways:

-He only logged the "bangs", meaning the breaking pitches. So this data doesn't take into account the silence, or no bang, meaning a fastball is coming.
-The players who benefited the most are Marwin Gonzales, Springer, Beltran, and Bregman.
-Marwin Gonzales' 2017 season is so way beyond his career average and he went on to sign a pretty hefty contract with the Twins as a result.