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Old 01-05-2012, 06:43 PM   #1
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Can it live up to the hype?

Based on the last records, the band, Dave's latest writing etc.

Can this album be what we've wanted for the last 12 years? I don't think so, and I think we're setting ourselves up for disappointment.

I think we should keep our expectations low, and just hope they finish something and put it out. The rest is just gravy.
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    Re: Can it live up to the hype?

    It cant live up to the hype.

    Can it live up to the skype?

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    Re: Can it live up to the hype?

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    Based on the last records, the band, Dave's latest writing etc.

    Can this album be what we've wanted for the last 12 years? I don't think so, and I think we're setting ourselves up for disappointment.

    I think we should keep our expectations low, and just hope they finish something and put it out. The rest is just gravy.
    yes! they can do it! they will do it!! this is it! and if we wind up being disapppointed fuck it!!
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    Old 01-05-2012, 07:21 PM   #4
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    Re: Can it live up to the hype?

    C'Ville did, so no reason this album won't
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    It cant live up to the hype.

    Can it live up to the skype?

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    Old 01-05-2012, 07:33 PM   #7
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    C'Ville did, so no reason this album won't
    Uh...no it didn't.



    And no fucking way it lives up to the hype. Absolutely no fucking way.
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    Old 01-05-2012, 07:34 PM   #8
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    Re: Can it live up to the hype?

    the hype that has been around since 2001, no. the hype that has been around since about 3 months ago, yes. when working with lillywhite again was thought to be a pipe dream, the hype made the hypothetical album part of the Big 4. now that he is actually going into the studio with them again, i think people are taking the band's history since tLWS into account before hyping it. it is still hypes to be a good album, as it should be, but i don't think people are really expecting BTCS: Part 2 here. with the changes that have been made in the band, both personally and professionally, i think the hype is a little more vague, than in the past. while a strong album is expected, "better than anything since 2000" seems to be the ultimate hope rather than "Big 4." they might never be THAT good again, but i don't see anything wrong with thinking they will write strong songs that we will like hearing at shows. i don't think that is an unreachable goal.
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    Old 01-05-2012, 07:35 PM   #9
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    Re: Can it live up to the hype?

    Not a chance... initially.

    It will be a disappointment at first, but if it's good, really good, it will eventually be recognized as a such. If it sucks, really sucks, it will be more reviled than Phantom Menace.
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    Old 01-05-2012, 07:38 PM   #10
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    Re: Can it live up to the hype?

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    the hype that has been around since 2001, no. the hype that has been around since about 3 months ago, yes. when working with lillywhite again was thought to be a pipe dream, the hype made the hypothetical album part of the Big 4. now that he is actually going into the studio with them again, i think people are taking the band's history since tLWS into account before hyping it. it is still hypes to be a good album, as it should be, but i don't think people are really expecting BTCS: Part 2 here. with the changes that have been made in the band, both personally and professionally, i think the hype is a little more vague, than in the past. while a strong album is expected, "better than anything since 2000" seems to be the ultimate hope rather than "Big 4." they might never be THAT good again, but i don't see anything wrong with thinking they will write strong songs that we will like hearing at shows. i don't think that is an unreachable goal.

    this post is spoot on.
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    Re: Can it live up to the hype?

    I'll take an album right now of 4-5 very good to great songs and 4-5 middling songs. I'm hoping we get 2-3 legitimate closers out of this new album.
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    Old 01-05-2012, 08:34 PM   #12
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    Re: Can it live up to the hype?

    I'm just hoping the band (with Steve) will work on 1-3 of the LWS tunes, along w/new songs (like Sweet). I'm just excited they are all in the studio and a 2012 tour is on the horizon.
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    Old 01-05-2012, 09:32 PM   #13
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    Re: Can it live up to the hype?

    Not a bloody chance......

    People's sense of entitlement and expectations are so fucking out of whack it has zero chance of living up to the hype.

    See when BTCS came out.
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    Old 01-05-2012, 09:32 PM   #14
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    Re: Can it live up to the hype?

    It will live up to my personal expectations. I'm going to try to stay disconnected from the pulse of DMBc as to not spoil my opinion of the record, because you guys are setting yourselves up for disaster.
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    Re: Can it live up to the hype?

    How can there be soo much hype for something that hasn't even been started yet? Settle down everybody & just enjoy the leaks. Ya know they're gonna have video clips pop out here & there, & ya know Stefan & Steve are gonna be tweeting. At the end of the day I feel it will be an exceptional album with a different twist on the band then we've heard. But don't set yourselves up for a let down which it definitely wont be as long as you don't let it.
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    Old 01-05-2012, 09:51 PM   #16
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    Re: Can it live up to the hype?

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    How can there be soo much hype for something that hasn't even been started yet? Settle down everybody & just enjoy the leaks. Ya know they're gonna have video clips pop out here & there, & ya know Stefan & Steve are gonna be tweeting. At the end of the day I feel it will be an exceptional album with a different twist on the band then we've heard. But don't set yourselves up for a let down which it definitely wont be as long as you don't let it.
    because many know that DMB needs to depserately make another album thats great again, and they also know steve lillywhite is back.

    the hype machine has never been bigger. despite him returning, my expectations are low because dave matthews is still the writer. i think this time, ill feel good about the album because i think steve will push him to be better than the last 3 average overall efforts.
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    Old 01-05-2012, 09:57 PM   #17
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    Re: Can it live up to the hype?

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    Uh...no it didn't.
    glad I'm not the only one

    Communal hype: I think it can, I don't think it will.

    my expectations: yes, it will.
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    Old 01-05-2012, 10:06 PM   #18
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    Re: Can it live up to the hype?

    It can, if...
    1) There are improvisations and solos on the record. These were more or less missing from Stand Up, Everyday, and Big Whiskey. This is huge. People not named Carter, Stefan, or Dave are especially key here.
    2) Dave is pushed on his songwriting by Lillywhite.
    3) Jeff and Rashawn are given full artistic liberties. They are two outstanding musicians who could be spectacular on a DMB studio record.
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    Re: Can it live up to the hype?

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    And no fucking way it lives up to the hype. Absolutely no fucking way.
    Come on Em, be a believer, it's more fun!

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    Not a bloody chance......

    People's sense of entitlement and expectations are so fucking out of whack it has zero chance of living up to the hype.

    See when BTCS came out.
    I think you are misunderstanding the question. It's not about initial reaction, it's about ultimate reaction. Also, what exactly does "entitlement" have to do with this question. The question isn't how good an album do we deserve , the question is how good an album will it be versus how good we think it will be. I think what I'm saying is your post doesn't make any sense given the question at hand.

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    It can, if...
    1) There are improvisations and solos on the record. These were more or less missing from Stand Up, Everyday, and Big Whiskey. This is huge. People not named Carter, Stefan, or Dave are especially key here.
    2) Dave is pushed on his songwriting by Lillywhite.
    3) Jeff and Rashawn are given full artistic liberties. They are two outstanding musicians who could be spectacular on a DMB studio record.
    Agree, agree, agree. The thing is, I think Lillywhite definitely knows #1, based on his previous work with the band. And I think will ultimately agreethat, re: 3, Coffin and Rashawn need to be a part of that.

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    Re: Can it live up to the hype?

    hype blows.

    eh, its solid i suppose.
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    hype blows.

    eh, its solid i suppose.
    No, Busted Stuff is solid (but kinda blows compared to Lillywhite Sessions). Hype is fun!
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    Old 01-05-2012, 11:47 PM   #22
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    Re: Can it live up to the hype?

    According to the Expectations poll, the majority of Ants expect this album to be the band's 4th or 5th best album. I don't think such expectations are unreasonable at all.

    Of course, IMO, the band's 4th or 5th best albums are good / solid, but nothing special. Obviously some people think those albums are great, so the expectations would be higher then I guess.
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    Old 01-05-2012, 11:50 PM   #23
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    Re: Can it live up to the hype?

    just remember, lillywhite has that copy of machead...

    one can dream...
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    Re: Can it live up to the hype?

    I doubt this will live up to everyone's lofty, sky-high expectations. But here's what I want: catchy guitar licks that are unmistakably Dave Matthews. Violin, sax and trumpet parts that are woven into the music rather than just window dressing. Moderately half-decent lyrics. I am hoping they will take the good things they have learned over the past decade while revisiting their roots. Hopefully there will be more of a semblance of the band that said goodbye at the end of BTCS, though I know that version of the band will never be back. But Lillywhite, more than anyone else they have worked with, knows how to record this band. I expect a solid effort.

    I am also excited to hear what Jeff Coffin will bring to the table creatively. To those who think he isn't soulful or melodic, listen to Zona Mona, Big Country, Bil Mon, or The Whistle Tune from the Flecktones.
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    I doubt this will live up to everyone's lofty, sky-high expectations. But here's what I want: catchy guitar licks that are unmistakably Dave Matthews. Violin, sax and trumpet parts that are woven into the music rather than just window dressing. Moderately half-decent lyrics. I am hoping they will take the good things they have learned over the past decade while revisiting their roots. Hopefully there will be more of a semblance of the band that said goodbye at the end of BTCS, though I know that version of the band will never be back. But Lillywhite, more than anyone else they have worked with, knows how to record this band. I expect a solid effort.

    I am also excited to hear what Jeff Coffin will bring to the table creatively. To those who think he isn't soulful or melodic, listen to Zona Mona, Big Country, Bil Mon, or The Whistle Tune from the Flecktones.
    Yes, yes, yes. Exactly what I want, along with Tim being used in a totally different way than on BW.
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    Re: Can it live up to the hype?

    I want Boyd back and actually playing on this album...what does this have to with hype? Nothing. Who the freak knows if it will live up to expectations, that's a case by case kind of thing. Chances are it will blow new fans minds and be mildly dissapointing for long time fans that are hoping lillwhite will create the big 4.
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    I doubt this will live up to everyone's lofty, sky-high expectations. But here's what I want: catchy guitar licks that are unmistakably Dave Matthews. Violin, sax and trumpet parts that are woven into the music rather than just window dressing. Moderately half-decent lyrics. I am hoping they will take the good things they have learned over the past decade while revisiting their roots. Hopefully there will be more of a semblance of the band that said goodbye at the end of BTCS, though I know that version of the band will never be back. But Lillywhite, more than anyone else they have worked with, knows how to record this band. I expect a solid effort.

    I am also excited to hear what Jeff Coffin will bring to the table creatively. To those who think he isn't soulful or melodic, listen to Zona Mona, Big Country, Bil Mon, or The Whistle Tune from the Flecktones.
    The expectations aren't very high really. Check the expectations poll. The vast majority expect this to be at best their 4th or 5th best album, even their 6th behind Busted Stuff and Big Whiskey.

    Maybe I only view this as relatively low expectations because I think Busted Stuff kinda blows, but it's not like people are expecting nothing short of Big 3 good here.
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    I want Boyd back and actually playing on this album...what does this have to with hype? Nothing. Who the freak knows if it will live up to expectations, that's a case by case kind of thing. Chances are it will blow new fans minds and be mildly dissapointing for long time fans that are hoping lillwhite will create the big 4.
    It really doesn't seem like much to ask for Boyd to be a prominent member of the band on this record.
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    It really doesn't seem like much to ask for Boyd to be a prominent member of the band on this record.
    It's going to happen. I can feel it in my ballsack.
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    It's going to happen. I can feel it in my ballsack.
    I hope so, but they only way to get Boyd back in there is to get Tim to go back to acoustic fills/less overdriven distorted fills. Boyd's playing style does not go with that.
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