Live Trax Vol. 60: 8.20.95 - Cincinnati Music Hall

[Alexis17]

When's the last time anyone ordered LT1 - 9? They haven't sold out of the white thick case for everything, even though the digital art is all converted to the now-standard black. I know that LT1 is in the new case, but they're still giving away LT7s in white. Anyone order any of these recently? What art did you get?

[RSSR]

Originally Posted by Alexis17

When's the last time anyone ordered LT1 - 9? They haven't sold out of the white thick case for everything, even though the digital art is all converted to the now-standard black. I know that LT1 is in the new case, but they're still giving away LT7s in white. Anyone order any of these recently? What art did you get?

I once called Musictoday about that. I lost my early LTs, and I wanted them in the original white casing. The woman said they do a pretty good job of showcasing what they have in stock on the website. Sure enough, I was able to reacquire most of the white casings for them. Had to use eBay to get the original white printing of LT1 before they printed the white casings with the Live Trax series name.

[dmbwadeo]

Originally Posted by dahpissah

DMB is the only band I still buy cds from for the physical copy because I have everything thus far. If they switched to digital only they'd lose money from me.

100% this is me as well.

[Alexis17]

Originally Posted by RSSR

I once called Musictoday about that. I lost my early LTs, and I wanted them in the original white casing. The woman said they do a pretty good job of showcasing what they have in stock on the website. Sure enough, I was able to reacquire most of the white casings for them. Had to use eBay to get the original white printing of LT1 before they printed the white casings with the Live Trax series name.

Awesome thanks for the feedback. Looks like only a couple haven't gotten past their most recent white printing.

[RSSR]

It bugs me that this #41 should have been called 41 Police. Unless I'm wrong and it is actually #41.

[snow1868]

Originally Posted by RSSR

It bugs me that this #41 should have been called 41 Police. Unless I'm wrong and it is actually #41.

It was never copywritten as 41 Police, that's why.

[BigJimiWhiskey]

Not necessarily what I was looking/hoping for on a landmark release like LT60, but looks like a solid show and likely will be up to par with the rest of 1995. As mentioned it's a bit of a bummer that LT 5 and Red Rocks are within the same week as this run, but the band was on fire so maybe we'll get some variations and awesome performances with these songs.

I will buy.

[BigJimiWhiskey]

Originally Posted by MarkMilberg

I understand the appeal of having huge cover art, and the pops and hiss of vinyl can add atmosphere to an album, but...

1) Especially for a live album, I want as few breaks as possible. A CD allows for 75 - 80 minutes of play without interruption; you have to flip your vinyl after about 40 minutes, right? Which means there are times (due to song lengths) where you need 3 LPs (i.e. 5 side flips/record changes) instead of changing the CD once.

2) CDs are less fragile (I've melted vinyl by leaving it in a car)-- which means there's also much less chance of a CD getting damaged in the mail when it's shipped to you (since not all couriers are gentle with packages).

3) You're much less likely to get a bad copy of a CD - it seems like so many ants have gotten bad pressings of vinyl and had to contact MusicToday to get it replaced.

4) If you don't live in the US, it can be VERY expensive to get vinyl shipped to you.

Also, and I recognize the U2 fan base is older, but yesterday @U2songs posted poll on twitter asking "When U2 releases their next album, which format are you likely to be found listening to it on the most?"
28% have said CD
22% have said vinyl
24% have said buying a digital copy (e.g. from iTunes)
26% have said streaming.

Since DMB continues to release CDs, and older DMB fans are going to be a similar age to U2 fans (and so likely have similar thinking), CDs are likely quite popular with DMB fans.

I'm not criticizing you for preferring vinyl (like what you want to like!) but there are a lot of CD fans still out there.

As a vinyl enthusiast I still agree with your mindset here. Unless it's a legendary shows like live at Red Rocks, Luther College or the remasters they did for the albums, I don't want to "risk" a huge purchase for a show I have not heard, will have to change every 2-3 songs and have no idea of the quality of the vinyl or sound.

This happened to me with the last vinyl they did LT 58. It's a good/solid show from 2000, but not really worth the extra vinyl treatment. AND they did a pretty sloppy job with it. Yes yes yes, it came on coke green vinyl or whatever, but who gives a fuck if it doesn't sound amazing.

For me, I want a vinyl that sounds AWESOME. DMB did a great job with Live at Red Rocks, Luther College and the remasters of Crash and UTTAD. Those are special records for me and I am glad I have them memorialized in what I consider the finest listening medium around. Also the Dave and Tim 1993 DMBlive re -release sounds incredible. I didn't get around to buying the Benaroya Hall one, but I'm sure that is similar.

Everything else, not already legendary, or the next new album is not going to be worth it in my opinion. Collecting live shows is one thing, but the need to have them on vinyl is another.

Like when I listen to Luther College, it sounds pristine! Like I'm at the fucking show in the room. Clean, spatial and warm. I can revisit it with fresh ears because they brought out the best parts of the music and the original recording was awesome to begin with.

With a new show, unless it's truly something that they've spent time on mixing and mastering specifically for vinyl , it just feels like a money grab. "Hey you crazy fans, pay 4 times what we ask for on CD for the exact same thing, just put on a bigger piece of plastic and a higher likely hood for low quality, warping, skipping and tracks that should not be split up! Good fun!"

[BigJimiWhiskey]

I will buy, but I don't really like shows that start off with PM>Satellite. It's a weird start to any set, and you kind of feel like you know what the first 15 minutes of this show is about. Satellite has never changed and never will. It's just the same thing. Not very DMB-esque.

[crashintonickdm]

Satellite is DMB lol wtf

[Benny003]

Originally Posted by BigJimiWhiskey

I will buy, but I don't really like shows that start off with PM>Satellite. It's a weird start to any set, and you kind of feel like you know what the first 15 minutes of this show is about. Satellite has never changed and never will. It's just the same thing. Not very DMB-esque.

This run, and specifically Live Trax 5 three days later, was the last time they opened with Proudest Monkey until doing it again 14 years later at Alpine. In the early 2000's, one of my live "bucket list" wants was to attend a show where Proudest Monkey opened simply because I thought it would be a cool, mellow way to start a show and build up from there. It was pretty awesome as a personal moment to be in attendance at the Alpine show in 2009 where they opened with Proudest Monkey for the first time in 14 years.

I actually found my post from 2005 where I was talking about that 4 years before it finally happened and a year before Live Trax 5 was released:

Originally Posted by Benny003

Proudest Monkey and Let You Down are the last 2 songs on my must hear list. I don't know if I'll ever get them. I'd really love a Proudest Monkey opener but it hasn't happened full band since 1995. Oh well, I can dream.

[djamieb]

Originally Posted by Benny003

This run, and specifically Live Trax 5 three days later, was the last time they opened with Proudest Monkey until doing it again 14 years later at Alpine. In the early 2000's, one of my live "bucket list" wants was to attend a show where Proudest Monkey opened simply because I thought it would be a cool, mellow way to start a show and build up from there. It was pretty awesome as a personal moment to be in attendance at the Alpine show in 2009 where they opened with Proudest Monkey for the first time in 14 years.

I actually found my post from 2005 where I was talking about that 4 years before it finally happened and a year before Live Trax 5 was released:

That's awesome!! Love that it happened for you! Very cool.

[TheStone91]

Lmao at them (most likely) botching the tracking with 1 track being Ants > Little Thing, instead of splitting them up. Or they could've done Little Thing > Typical as 1 track. Clueless.

Highlight for me is def the encore. One of the best of all-time.

[Cptn. Monkeyman]

Originally Posted by TheStone91

Lmao at them (most likely) botching the tracking with 1 track being Ants > Little Thing, instead of splitting them up. Or they could've done Little Thing > Typical as 1 track. Clueless.

Highlight for me is def the encore. One of the best of all-time.

I really hope that's a typo. It wouldn't make any sense to have the show end after Ants, and then have the encore start at the end of that track.

[RSSR]

Interesting that a legendary show such as this has only two pages of discussion. If this was a '19-'21 show, this would be multiple more pages deep, complaining about it for sure, but still. It would still receive comments people are pre-ordering it.

[zrroot]

Think it's more of the boards as a whole, notably dmbc are declining steadily

[dmb31fan]

Never heard this show before but will be pre-ordering. Can't go wrong from this era and based off the responses here, looks like I'm in for a hell of a listening party when this arrives!

[dahpissah]

Originally Posted by BigJimiWhiskey

I will buy, but I don't really like shows that start off with PM>Satellite. It's a weird start to any set, and you kind of feel like you know what the first 15 minutes of this show is about. Satellite has never changed and never will. It's just the same thing. Not very DMB-esque.

It's funny when I first got into DMB back in 99 I loved Proudest Monkey and Watchtower.... Now I could care less if I ever heard them at a show again, let alone on a live release.

[crashintonickdm]

Originally Posted by RSSR

Interesting that a legendary show such as this has only two pages of discussion. If this was a '19-'21 show, this would be multiple more pages deep, complaining about it for sure, but still. It would still receive comments people are pre-ordering it.

Prob because with xm, warehouse releases and solid tape technology there’s no need to release modern shows.

[TwoStep2888]

preordered this right away

[oasisfan35]

Listened to the audience pull again today and while not poor for the era, any non-open air AUD tape that gets an official release is such a treat.

Originally Posted by RSSR

Interesting that a legendary show such as this has only two pages of discussion. If this was a '19-'21 show, this would be multiple more pages deep, complaining about it for sure, but still. It would still receive comments people are pre-ordering it.

Right...

[dmb417]

That venue looks like a good space sonically, don't really care for pre-98 DMB but if the mastering on this one's great, this might just sound amazing

EDIT: I was really hoping they'd do something special for Vol. 60. Like a DMB+D&T twofer. I really want that '99 D&T Storytellers show

[Xcacel]

Originally Posted by dmb417

don't really care for pre-98 DMB but if the mastering on this one's great, this might just sound amazing

That is quite a statement

[dmb417]

Originally Posted by Xcacel

That is quite a statement

controversial, I know.
Love the band, love the energy, I've just never been able to get over Dave's nasaly voice in those early years, and being a musical theater freak the voice has always been the focal point for me

[Dougie Jones]

I'm a very picky, very hard to please DMB fan -- that said -- how is this not exciting? Something about the Red Rocks show fills me with wonder about this stage of the band, and compels me to check out the shows before and after it. I'll never complain about a (hopefully well-mixed and mastered) show from this era getting released.

[DMBlunts]

Originally Posted by dahpissah

It's funny when I first got into DMB back in 99 I loved Proudest Monkey and Watchtower.... Now I could care less if I ever heard them at a show again, let alone on a live release.

Yeah but those pre-Crash PMs were pretty incredible.

[two-by-twostep]

Originally Posted by dmb417

That venue looks like a good space sonically, don't really care for pre-98 DMB but if the mastering on this one's great, this might just sound amazing

EDIT: I was really hoping they'd do something special for Vol. 60. Like a DMB+D&T twofer. I really want that '99 D&T Storytellers show

Originally Posted by Xcacel

That is quite a statement

Originally Posted by dmb417

controversial, I know.
Love the band, love the energy, I've just never been able to get over Dave's nasaly voice in those early years, and being a musical theater freak the voice has always been the focal point for me

i'll admit i'm this way too. i certainly appreciate that era of the band because the raw passion and energy is just insane during that 92-95 era, but i simply prefer the sound of the band once they evolved. 00–04 is peak dmb sound imo.


that said, dmb417 if you haven't listened to LT37 do yourself a favor and give it a try. it's from november of 92 so i originally passed on it for the reasons you listed but when i finally gave it a shot i was blown away. incredible performances and fantastic mix. this show really helped open up the early years of dmb for me.

[Bearclaw_]

As far as only 2 pages of comments go, I believe it's just a sign of the times. Forum usage is down everywhere, it's an antiquated form of community, especially for a 90s band. There is also a general shift in how we consume media, listen to music, etc. I personally don't care for single releases unless it's a show I was at. I'll wait 2, 3+ years for these to pop up on a streaming service. With so many bands of a similar style to DMB releasing all their shows, this is just meh. Doesn't drive a lot of conversation. My thoughts anyway.

[crashintonickdm]

There’s no traffic here anymore. I thought that was common knowledge

[Cscottrun]

They should announced and release on the same day in digital form. That would drive conversation and discussion and would make it more enticing for me to purchase.