*Prompter Thread* (NO personal attacks, NO trolling)

[cazzie34]

If kids could do it, why don't the employers hire them?

[cazzie34]

The answer is (1) they are hiring high schoolers to do it and (2) that doesn't satisfy the demand so they have to hire other (illegal) people to do it. Are there a bunch of high schoolers that are looking for work that can't get it? Because they should move to Madison, Wisconsin, I see signs all over for fast food jobs.

[cazzie34]

Originally Posted by gonz085

The point is, there are already people here who should be doing these jobs because as you said, they are low skill in nature.

The employer could make those jobs be american citizens and they don't. Who is to blame?

[gonz085]

Originally Posted by cazzie34

The answer is (1) they are hiring high schoolers to do it and (2) that doesn't satisfy the demand so they have to hire other (illegal) people to do it. Are there a bunch of high schoolers that are looking for work that can't get it? Because they should move to Madison, Wisconsin, I see signs all over for fast food jobs.

Precisely. That's why I said their parents should probably force them to take one of those jobs and part of the problem gets solved. I think our misunderstanding of each other comes from different viewpoints as to what jobs illegals take. You are talking about the picking fruits and vegetables all day, I'm talking from the viewpoint of dishwasher, bus boy, fast food, landscaping. I would be crazy to think a kid would drop out of school to do the field work, and I would never advocate it. But that's why I brought up the people on welfare because that's more of a direct solution and directly references what you speak of.

[cazzie34]

So we have an under employment situation going on amongst our American teens? That's your claim?

[cazzie34]

So really, AMERICANS (and especially teens and their parents) are to blame for the illegal problem?

[Route_2]

I know we're onto immigration now, but if you're still interested in the Trump "tapping" tweets from this morning, this is the best thing I've seen written up on the topic so far. Very thorough walkthrough of what is known and what isn't. Well worth a read.

https://www.justsecurity.org/38347/tapping-trump/

[gonz085]

Originally Posted by cazzie34

So we have an under employment situation going on amongst our American teens? That's your claim?

No, I said they would only be able to take a portion of those jobs. Clearly not all. Though it's probably in their best interest to take one of these shitty jobs while they are young.

Originally Posted by cazzie34

So really, AMERICANS (and especially teens and their parents) are to blame for the illegal problem?

I'd say government. If you de incentivize work, it's not hard to see how you get where we are.

[cazzie34]

Originally Posted by gonz085

No, I said they would only be able to take a portion of those jobs. Clearly not all. Though it's probably in their best interest to take one of these shitty jobs while they are young.



I'd say government. If you de incentivize work, it's not hard to see how you get where we are.

Fair enough. I think we've reached the end of this conversation and we disagree.

[gonz085]

Originally Posted by cazzie34

Fair enough. I think we've reached the end of this conversation and we disagree.

Sounds good. If anything I posted came off as demeaning or condescending it was not meant to. I actually think we probably agree on more than you think, but I'm fine with ending this here.

[cazzie34]

Nah, you are good in my book. Same with me. If anything I posted came off as demeaning or condescending it was not meant to.

[BTBaboon]

By the way. When are we getting that voter fraud commission? Seems like a true threat to democracy and yet Trump and the GOP congress have done nothing about it. Hmmm

[ShotgunDMB]

As long as Trump is better than Bush, Clinton and Obama on immigration, that'll be a step in the right direction. Mexico was never going to pay for the wall, any rational person knew that. I'm fairly hawkish on immigration and would like to see a wall along with more border enforcement and increased deportations. Lot of special interests get in the way of us dealing with the issue rationally, the corporatist Republicans want the cheap labor, the Democrats want more poor, marginalized people to vote for them.

[cazzie34]

Originally Posted by BTBaboon

By the way. When are we getting that voter fraud commission? Seems like a true threat to democracy and yet Trump and the GOP congress have done nothing about it. Hmmm

I already made that joke to currupted a few pages back i/r/t unsubstantiated claims we are supposed to take seriously.

[scrock25]

I mean, didn't Obama deport tons and tons of illegal immigrants? What am I missing?

[MDPrompter]

Originally Posted by ShotgunDMB

As long as Trump is better than Bush, Clinton and Obama on immigration, that'll be a step in the right direction. Mexico was never going to pay for the wall, any rational person knew that. I'm fairly hawkish on immigration and would like to see a wall along with more border enforcement and increased deportations. Lot of special interests get in the way of us dealing with the issue rationally, the corporatist Republicans want the cheap labor, the Democrats want more poor, marginalized people to vote for them.

Bush tried. I really liked the bill he and McCain were pushing. Then the loony fringe of the right found the word amnesty on their word of the day TP, proceeded to use the word incorrectly, and sunk the bill.

[Route_2]

Read a report today that we are sending people back to Mexico that don't even speak Spanish. Not passing judgement either way, but that would suck. Although, they say immersion is the best way to quickly learn a new language.

[zajDmB1]

Obama evil...

[cazzie34]

Originally Posted by ShotgunDMB

As long as Trump is better than Bush, Clinton and Obama on immigration, that'll be a step in the right direction. Mexico was never going to pay for the wall, any rational person knew that. I'm fairly hawkish on immigration and would like to see a wall along with more border enforcement and increased deportations. Lot of special interests get in the way of us dealing with the issue rationally, the corporatist Republicans want the cheap labor, the Democrats want more poor, marginalized people to vote for them.

Yeah, he should be as good as Reagan: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigr...ol_Act_of_1986 .

"But the bill also made any immigrant who'd entered the country before 1982 eligible for amnesty — a word not usually associated with the father of modern conservatism."

[ShotgunDMB]

Originally Posted by scrock25

I mean, didn't Obama deport tons and tons of illegal immigrants? What am I missing?

He did, but you've got to take into account the fact that illegal immigration really boomed in the 80's, 90's, early 2000's, so of course Bush and Obama had more illegal immigrants to deport.

[ShotgunDMB]

Originally Posted by cazzie34

Yeah, he should be as good as Reagan: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigr...ol_Act_of_1986 .

"But the bill also made any immigrant who'd entered the country before 1982 eligible for amnesty — a word not usually associated with the father of modern conservatism."

That was a big blunder by Reagan. Obviously the bill did nothing to limit illegal immigration.

[scrock25]

Originally Posted by ShotgunDMB

He did, but you've got to take into account the fact that illegal immigration really boomed in the 80's, 90's, early 2000's, so of course Bush and Obama had more illegal immigrants to deport.

Uh... ok

[MDPrompter]

Reagan was left of center by today's standards

[zajDmB1]

So those March 4 Trumps were huge right? Biggest rallies ever?

[ShotgunDMB]

Originally Posted by mdmarvich

Reagan was left of center by today's standards

He was a right wing nut. Sorry bud.

[rconverse]

Originally Posted by scrock25

I mean, didn't Obama deport tons and tons of illegal immigrants? What am I missing?

The protests.

[cazzie34]

Originally Posted by ShotgunDMB

That was a big blunder by Reagan. Obviously the bill did nothing to limit illegal immigration.

So go back to Carter? Nixon?

Probably Johnson for eliminating the Bracero program, right? That was a smart move?

[ShotgunDMB]

Originally Posted by cazzie34

So go back to Carter? Nixon?

Probably Johnson for eliminating the Bracero program, right?

It's not a matter of "going back" to anything. How about just enforce the damn laws, and secure our border like every other sovereign nation does?

[rconverse]

Originally Posted by ShotgunDMB

That was a big blunder by Reagan. Obviously the bill did nothing to limit illegal immigration.

Agreed, 100%. Amnesty has been tried and doesn't work.

[Route_2]

Originally Posted by zajDmB1

So those March 4 Trumps were huge right? Biggest rallies ever?

I heard tens of people showed up.