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Old 02-23-2021, 07:37 PM   #340801
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The level 2 requirement for PA is equivalent to fraud seeing as how the pay increase is nowhere near worth it compared to the additional debt you incur unless you work for a prime district. That needs to go away. Luckily I work for a charter and didn’t need to get it within my first 6 years, but went because I want to pursue admin pay in the future and my school has an affiliate institution where I get tuition reimbursement.
I agree 100%

We discussed this last night, but the difference in a Bachelors and a M+60 in my district is like $7k. It's absurd, but its literally the only way to get paid more.
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    It's not like a higher minimum wage is going to eliminate competition for better paying jobs. It just prevents people from living in poverty.
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    First, I do support raising the minimum wage and I support UBI. But I also support free markets too. Everyone needs to weigh their income & what makes them happy, and make their own decisions. In your scenario, if digging ditches is what makes that person happy, but they also don't make enough $$ to get their own place (which will also make them happy), they have to make a choice. Nothing wrong with that.
    How is there nothing wrong with making people hedge their happiness based on extremely basic concepts that would immediately elevate quality of life when there are BILLIONAIRES? Am I taking crazy pills?

    Someone has to dig ditches. Even if the person who did dig ditches chooses to "better himself", someone else is going to have to fill that position for however long. Why does that person have to sacrifice based on inexperience?

    The only difference between your scenario and mine is in mine people don't start off in a meat grinder.

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    Old 02-23-2021, 07:51 PM   #340804
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    To summarize, hazing is frowned upon/illegal in pretty much every aspect of life except career path. Let's just be consistent and eliminate it altogether.

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    Old 02-23-2021, 07:53 PM   #340805
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    How is there nothing wrong with making people hedge their happiness based on extremely basic concepts that would immediately elevate quality of life when there are BILLIONAIRES? Am I taking crazy pills?

    Someone has to dig ditches. Even if the person who did dig ditches chooses to "better himself", someone else is going to have to fill that position for however long. Why does that person have to sacrifice based on inexperience?

    The only difference between your scenario and mine is in mine people don't start off in a meat grinder.
    I'm not even sure if digging ditches is a minimum wage job; however if people don't want to dig ditches at the pay offered, they should be able to do something else?
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    I'm not even sure if digging ditches is a minimum wage job; however if people don't want to dig ditches at the pay offered, they should be able to do something else?
    sure. who's going to dig the ditches then?
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    Old 02-23-2021, 08:06 PM   #340807
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    sure. who's going to dig the ditches then?
    This is how capitalism works. If I need some ditches dug, and no one takes that job at the pay I am offering, I am going to need increase what I pay.
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    Old 02-23-2021, 08:17 PM   #340808
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    This is how capitalism works. If I need some ditches dug, and no one takes that job at the pay I am offering, I am going to need increase what I pay.
    yep. I know that's how it works. What if that mindset creates a situation where

    Option A) people will literally take whatever pay they can get so they can feed their family, or

    B) People don't take the job because it pays so low it makes more sense for them to be unemployed?
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    Old 02-23-2021, 08:19 PM   #340809
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    This is how capitalism works. If I need some ditches dug, and no one takes that job at the pay I am offering, I am going to need increase what I pay.
    No one dies if ditches don't get dug. People die if they don't take any job they can get that pays for food.

    Guess who has the leverage until people finally realize they've been getting fucked forever and band together to try to raise the minimum wage?

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    Old 02-23-2021, 08:24 PM   #340810
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    capitalism sure seems to suck out loud
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    sure. who's going to dig the ditches then?

    The people who have unplugged their TV's and turned off their phones
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    Old 02-23-2021, 08:35 PM   #340812
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    Old 02-23-2021, 08:44 PM   #340813
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    Old 02-23-2021, 09:13 PM   #340814
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    capitalism sure seems to suck out loud
    50% of the time it's works 100% of the time.
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    Old 02-23-2021, 09:14 PM   #340815
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    People in machines dig ditches and I think they get paid pretty good for it. If you want to lower wages until we have more ditch diggers I wouldn't even know where to begin.
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    People in machines dig ditches and I think they get paid pretty good for it. If you want to lower wages until we have more ditch diggers I wouldn't even know where to begin.
    I’d say they make about $20 per hour on average, give or take.
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    The "just work your way up" mentality is basically saying "Someone needs to do that job, and I'm okay with that person living in abject poverty." It's an absolute trash position.
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    The "just work your way up" mentality is basically saying "Someone needs to do that job, and I'm okay with that person living in abject poverty." It's an absolute trash position.
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    I was just using ditch diggers as an offhand example of a minimum wage job. I wasn’t literally saying they make minimum wage. Apologies for any inaccuracies.
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    It’s ok if they live in poverty as long as it’s temporary! It’ll build character!
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    8-month-old shot in head by dad during fight between parents, Tennessee police say
    https://news.yahoo.com/8-month-old-s...193010986.html

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    Is it ok to post this I won't get the guns nuts all riled up?
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    It’s ok if they live in poverty as long as it’s temporary! It’ll build character!
    Right! But someone has to do that job so the temp poverty is actually permanent. And if the economy isn't good enough for you to move up...
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    oh shit.

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    Right! But someone has to do that job so the temp poverty is actually permanent. And if the economy isn't good enough for you to move up...
    Yea but when the economy gets better those people will now have the motivation to be on the other end of the whip!
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    Anecdotal, of course, but I work in a restaurant that currently employs 15 people. 6 people make $15hr. 2 people make $12.50hr. The rest make $10hr. $10hr is the minimum we pay, from day 1 of employment. We are doing just fine. The notion that we'd have to shutter if we had to pay higher than the current minimum wage of $7.25 is obviously, and laughably, false.
    Oh, and everyone but the owner gets tips too, so he could pay us all less and hit those numbers, but he doesn't.
    We're a single franchise in a small regional chain and while we pay better than any other franchise in the group, we also perform the best in terms of sales and profit.
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    Vermont state minimum wage is $11.75
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    I can't wait until tomorrow when we continue to justify why people should be paid wages they can't survive on.
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    I can't wait until tomorrow when we continue to justify why people should be paid wages they can't survive on.
    Unlike today when we continue to justify why people should be paid wages they don’t earn.

    Just saying. Where is the component of what the job is worth in your analysis?
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    Anecdotal, of course, but I work in a restaurant that currently employs 15 people. 6 people make $15hr. 2 people make $12.50hr. The rest make $10hr. $10hr is the minimum we pay, from day 1 of employment. We are doing just fine. The notion that we'd have to shutter if we had to pay higher than the current minimum wage of $7.25 is obviously, and laughably, false.
    Oh, and everyone but the owner gets tips too, so he could pay us all less and hit those numbers, but he doesn't.
    We're a single franchise in a small regional chain and while we pay better than any other franchise in the group, we also perform the best in terms of sales and profit.
    Why don’t you pay everyone $15/hr?
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    Why don’t you pay everyone $15/hr?

    I'm not the owner.

    But everyone is clearing $15hr once tips are included. So that's likely his logic.
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