** College Football Season **

[emu513]

I can't get on board with the idea that the country with be up in arms if Penn State got left out. I'm more inclined to believe they would be quite content in that situation. And if OSU wasn't the benefactor then there really wouldn't be a controversy because no one wants to see a bunch of dipshit OSU fans running around saying "see I told you so OSU #1".

[recentlyJTR41]

Originally Posted by TheLastPig

Youre only citing the SEC though, and they almost always have 2 teams vying for a top spot. That clearly wont be the case for the B1G or the B12 (even if we had a CG) this year.

Wisconsin vs Penn State wouldn't be an elimination game? We want 3 loss teams in an 8 team Playoff?

[TheLastPig]

Originally Posted by recentlyJTR41

Wisconsin vs Penn State wouldn't be an elimination game? We want 3 loss teams in an 8 team Playoff?

Im saying this year, with a 4 team playoff, no that game clearly isnt a playoff game because PSU could win and still be left out.Theres no use in getting back into the argument, but if Wisc would win the conference I wouldnt have an issue with it because there would still be 3 at large spots (assuming automatic bids for P5 winners).

Or you could just do a ranking for the top 8, then that solves your 3 loss team worry.

[emu513]

Originally Posted by recentlyJTR41

Wisconsin vs Penn State wouldn't be an elimination game? We want 3 loss teams in an 8 team Playoff?

Only if it's USC. Their three losses don't count.

[Jake]

Originally Posted by emu513

Only if it's USC. Their three losses don't count.

USC doesn't belong in either.

[Lee3691]

Originally Posted by CrushB610

Well 2 of the 4 analysts on the show had a problem with it and I think Rece was leaning that way too. Soooo..

..soooo you've cited 2 anaylists (Reece Davis is not an analyst ftr). The vast, vast majority of college football analysts think that a 1 loss Ohio State team is better and more deserving of a a playoff spot then a 2 loss Big 10 Champion Penn State. So does the committee, at least for now, per the quote I posted. As for everyone else, maybe you can point me towards a few non Penn State fans on this thread who think Penn State would get the nod? Vast, vast majority of people would agree with that decision, and it wouldn't even have anything to do with unlikeability that most people feel towards Penn State.

Also, I think there might be circumstances where a 2 loss team might be more worthy of being chosen over a loss team, IF they have a superior resume. In this case, despite the H2H and B10 championship, Penn State would not have a superior resume.

[recentlyJTR41]

Originally Posted by TheLastPig

Im saying this year, with a 4 team playoff, no that game clearly isnt a playoff game because PSU could win and still be left out.Theres no use in getting back into the argument, but if Wisc would win the conference I wouldnt have an issue with it because there would still be 3 at large spots (assuming automatic bids for P5 winners).

Or you could just do a ranking for the top 8, then that solves your 3 loss team worry.

I hear ya. It's confusing with all the scenarios. I'm just saying that CCG is an elimination game more often than not.

[JRS1386]

Originally Posted by TheLastPig

I mean its not hard to figure out why. PSU squeaked out a win over tOSU. PSU lost to Pitt, and were getting beat badly before a late comeback attempt, and got crushed my Michigan. tOSU would have a win over Michigan. Plus the eye test favors tOSU greatly.

Im not totally disagreeing with you because I dont like the precedent the committee has set with basically disregarding who wins divisions/conferences unless they are using it as a tiebreaker, but this is where we are.

Mainly responding to the first part but will add about the UM thing too.

PSU lost to Pitt when their defense was decimated with injuries. It also was an early season loss. Both of these things will be considered by the committee

As to UM, yea that was a drubbing like none other. PSU still had some major injuries on defense, but not enough to say the outcome may have been a PSU win (I think full health they have a shot at an upset like they did against tOSU, though maybe more so because of UM QB being out)

Saturday will make things look clearer. The only thing certain about the playoffs is that the SEC and B1G all but have a slot guaranteed. Can not say the same about the ACC, Pac, or Big 12.

[emu513]

I was making light of the way too serious discussions being had that USC should somehow garner playoff consideration this year.

[hailtopitt]

Originally Posted by Lee3691

..soooo you've cited 2 anaylists (Reece Davis is not an analyst ftr). The vast, vast majority of college football analysts think that a 1 loss Ohio State team is better and more deserving of a a playoff spot then a 2 loss Big 10 Champion Penn State. So does the committee, at least for now, per the quote I posted. As for everyone else, maybe you can point me towards a few non Penn State fans on this thread who think Penn State would get the nod? Vast, vast majority of people would agree with that decision, and it wouldn't even have anything to do with unlikeability that most people feel towards Penn State.

Also, I think there might be circumstances where a 2 loss team might be more worthy of being chosen over a loss team, IF they have a superior resume. In this case, despite the H2H and B10 championship, Penn State would not have a superior resume.

you nailed it, bud

i personally, would have no problem with PSU getting in if they win out and tOSU beats UM. however, tOSU would still have a better resume and i would totally understand PSU getting left out. as we've learned, it's hard to break that PSU bubble when it comes to their fans and this is just another example. and to be fair, other fan bases can be similar, usually to a lesser degree though.

[TheLastPig]

Originally Posted by Jake

USC doesn't belong in either.

It was a joke, just like USC's ranking.

[Lee3691]

Originally Posted by JRS1386

Mainly responding to the first part but will add about the UM thing too.

PSU lost to Pitt when their defense was decimated with injuries. It also was an early season loss. Both of these things will be considered by the committee

As to UM, yea that was a drubbing like none other. PSU still had some major injuries on defense, but not enough to say the outcome may have been a PSU win (I think full health they have a shot at an upset like they did against tOSU, though maybe more so because of UM QB being out)

Saturday will make things look clearer. The only thing certain about the playoffs is that the SEC and B1G all but have a slot guaranteed. Can not say the same about the ACC, Pac, or Big 12.

injuries. Good football teams have depth. Once, Ohio State won a playoff championship with their 3rd string QB, but that's a story for a different time.

[recentlyJTR41]

Southern Cal is playing well now after that awful start to the year. Still have a shot at the Rose Bowl.

[TheLastPig]

Originally Posted by JRS1386

Mainly responding to the first part but will add about the UM thing too.

PSU lost to Pitt when their defense was decimated with injuries. It also was an early season loss. Both of these things will be considered by the committee

As to UM, yea that was a drubbing like none other. PSU still had some major injuries on defense, but not enough to say the outcome may have been a PSU win (I think full health they have a shot at an upset like they did against tOSU, though maybe more so because of UM QB being out)

Saturday will make things look clearer. The only thing certain about the playoffs is that the SEC and B1G all but have a slot guaranteed. Can not say the same about the ACC, Pac, or Big 12.

I dont think the committee is going to care much about injuries considering they still consider the CMU game a loss for the Pokes.

At the very least its not enough to sway any kind of decision. They still lost to a 4 loss Pitt team.

[hailtopitt]

yea pulling the injury card for your losses is not a good look

[TheLastPig]

Originally Posted by Lee3691

injuries. Good football teams have depth. Once, Ohio State won a playoff championship with their 3rd string QB, but that's a story for a different time.

This, especially in college. Depth is what wins you games. Everyone deals with injuries.

WVU has played without their #1 CB the entire season, you think the committee would even think about that in any circumstance?

[emu513]

I'm fine with USC in the Rose Bowl. Not playoff.

[recentlyJTR41]

Originally Posted by emu513

I'm fine with USC in the Rose Bowl. Not playoff.

Yeah I was never considering them at all. Even though they've turned it up, they lost two more games than they needed to lose.

This QB might be the real deal. They could be in the Playoff next year.

Main thing I hate about the Playoff is how no one talks about bowls anymore. The Rose Bowl could be Southern Cal vs Michigan/B1G Champ assuming tOSU gets in if they beat UM. That would be a great matchup.

[MOWJO8185]

It would never happen, but I'd be more than content with them filling a 4 or 8 team playoff by taking the F+ advanced statistics rankings, taking the top 10 teams from that ranking, and sorting them by record. Taking the top 10 in F+ is about the boundary for removing the garbage that has a good record but didn't play anybody, and sorting by record takes results into account and makes sure teams that suffered multiple losses don't get in. If teams have the same record, then whoever has the highest F+ ranking would be seeded ahead. An 8 team playoff at this moment would be:

1. Alabama
2. Michigan
3. Ohio State
4. Clemson
5. Washington
6. Louisville
7. Wisconsin
8. Colorado

Obviously Colorado appears to be an outlier here, but advanced stats say they are good, and there are 2 more weeks, with them facing Utah and then (if they win) Washington to either prove their case or slip out of contention. Penn State (who we are so focused on here) would have plenty of room to make these rankings as well with the last 2 weeks to play. I'd much prefer something based on advanced stats than auto-bids that could potentially bring us Virginia Tech or Okie State (currently #23 and #26 in F+, respectively).

[recentlyJTR41]

People really want to see Alabama kick the living shit out of Colorado on national TV?

Oh yeah that 2-8 matchup might be the B1G CCG. This 8 team playoff needs to happen today

[CrushB610]

Originally Posted by Lee3691

..soooo you've cited 2 anaylists (Reece Davis is not an analyst ftr). The vast, vast majority of college football analysts think that a 1 loss Ohio State team is better and more deserving of a a playoff spot then a 2 loss Big 10 Champion Penn State. So does the committee, at least for now, per the quote I posted. As for everyone else, maybe you can point me towards a few non Penn State fans on this thread who think Penn State would get the nod? Vast, vast majority of people would agree with that decision, and it wouldn't even have anything to do with unlikeability that most people feel towards Penn State.

Also, I think there might be circumstances where a 2 loss team might be more worthy of being chosen over a loss team, IF they have a superior resume. In this case, despite the H2H and B10 championship, Penn State would not have a superior resume.

2 of the 4 on the show so that's half right there.. and Rece is more than a host.

Again I'm not saying the entire country will be up in arms, but if you think the only people who will have an issue with Ohio st getting in over PSU are PSU fans you are definitely wrong.

Originally Posted by hailtopitt

you nailed it, bud

i personally, would have no problem with PSU getting in if they win out and tOSU beats UM. however, tOSU would still have a better resume and i would totally understand PSU getting left out. as we've learned, it's hard to break that PSU bubble when it comes to their fans and this is just another example. and to be fair, other fan bases can be similar, usually to a lesser degree though.

Wouldn't matter if it was PSU/Ohio State or 2 other teams that I didn't care about.

I'll say this again, most likely scenario is PSU and Ohio st both getting in.

Originally Posted by TheLastPig

This, especially in college. Depth is what wins you games. Everyone deals with injuries.

WVU has played without their #1 CB the entire season, you think the committee would even think about that in any circumstance?

There Is a difference between losing your #1 CB and being down to your 5th, 6th and 7th LBs on the depth chart. Not making an excuse im just saying.

[TheLastPig]

Originally Posted by recentlyJTR41

People really want to see Alabama kick the living shit out of Colorado on national TV?

Oh yeah that 2-8 matchup might be the B1G CCG. This 8 team playoff needs to happen today

Why is that the argument that gets brought up?

Who cares? Let them have their shot. If they get crushed, oh well.

[YouNeverKnow25]

are two espn analysts seriously being touted here as the voice of the country?

[YouNeverKnow25]

and is the nebulous "voice of the country" being touted as a reason team A should get in over team B?

[CrushB610]

Neither .. I'm just saying people will have an issue with it, Lee making it seem like no one in the entire world (PSU fans aside) would care tho.

[recentlyJTR41]

Originally Posted by TheLastPig

Why is that the argument that gets brought up?

Who cares? Let them have their shot. If they get crushed, oh well.

They had their shot all year! They lost. That was the shot. They have two losses and it was against the two best teams they've played all year.



The Jaguars and 49'ers are getting their shot at the playoffs right now and they're losing. That's their shot. The season. Should they get more shots?

[TheLastPig]

Originally Posted by recentlyJTR41

They had their shot all year! They lost. That was the shot. They have two losses and it was against the two best teams they've played all year.



The Jaguars and 49'ers are getting their shot at the playoffs right now and they're losing. That's their shot. The season. Should they get more shots?

12/32 NFL teams make the playoffs... including all division winners (even if theyre 8-8!)

4/128 FBS teams make the playoff, and you dont need to win your conference to get in.

That is not helping your argument.

[MOWJO8185]

Originally Posted by CrushB610

2 of the 4 on the show so that's half right there.. and Rece is more than a host.

Again I'm not saying the entire country will be up in arms, but if you think the only people who will have an issue with Ohio st getting in over PSU are PSU fans you are definitely wrong.




Wouldn't matter if it was PSU/Ohio State or 2 other teams that I didn't care about.

I'll say this again, most likely scenario is PSU and Ohio st both getting in.



There Is a difference between losing your #1 CB and being down to your 5th, 6th and 7th LBs on the depth chart. Not making an excuse im just saying.

You seem pretty sure, and I'd be down for putting a wager on this if you are interested. Criteria would be that Washington and Clemson win out and finish with 1 loss (I think I agree with you that Penn State has a good shot if Washington loses a game). Wager is void if either Michigan beats Ohio State or Penn State loses in B1G championship game, as said scenario of Penn State as B1G champ wouldn't happen.

[thebridge15]

why do people want usc or colorado or whoever in the playoff? is it everyone gets a ribbon? do people just want more games?

[recentlyJTR41]

Originally Posted by TheLastPig

12/32 NFL teams make the playoffs... including all division winners (even if theyre 8-8!)

4/128 FBS teams make the playoff, and you dont need to win your conference to get in.

That is not helping your argument.

These comparisons make no sense. The NFL plays 16 games. This isn't the NFL, MLB, NBA, or NCAA Basketball. Comparing the CFB Playoff to any other post season is irrelevant.

Colorado had two chances to impress the committee and make a statement to why they should be considered and they lost.