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Old 11-29-2017, 07:54 AM   #331
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Just give me 12 of any of these tracks on an album and I'll probably be happy:

Idea of You
Samurai Cop
Bismarck
Death on the High Seas
Bob Law
Shotgun
Kill the King
Here on Out
Good Good Time
Do You Remember
Crazy Easy
Black and Blue Bird
Break Free
Virginia in the Rain
Blackjack
Break for It
Falling off the Roof
Sugar Will
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    Just give me 12 of any of these tracks on an album and I'll probably be happy:

    Idea of You*
    Samurai Cop*
    Bismarck*
    Death on the High Seas
    Bob Law
    Shotgun*
    Kill the King*
    Here on Out
    Good Good Time*
    Do You Remember
    Crazy Easy*
    Black and Blue Bird*
    Break Free
    Virginia in the Rain*
    Blackjack
    Break for It*
    Falling off the Roof*
    Sugar Will*
    There you go
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    There you go
    Would be their best album since Busted Stuff.
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    Old 11-29-2017, 09:10 AM   #334
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    Just give me 12 of any of these tracks on an album and I'll probably be happy:

    Idea of You
    Samurai Cop
    Bismarck
    Death on the High Seas
    Bob Law
    Shotgun
    Kill the King
    Here on Out
    Good Good Time
    Do You Remember
    Crazy Easy
    Black and Blue Bird
    Break Free
    Virginia in the Rain
    Blackjack
    Break for It
    Falling off the Roof
    Sugar Will
    I like this. Kill the King is really good IMO. Always liked it. Do You Remember has grown on me after giving it a few listens too. Would be a classic album for sure
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    Old 11-29-2017, 09:24 AM   #335
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    Just give me 12 of any of these tracks on an album and I'll probably be happy:

    Idea of You
    Samurai Cop
    Bismarck
    Death on the High Seas
    Bob Law
    Shotgun
    Kill the King
    Here on Out
    Good Good Time
    Do You Remember
    Crazy Easy
    Black and Blue Bird
    Break Free
    Virginia in the Rain
    Blackjack
    Break for It
    Falling off the Roof

    Sugar Will
    No thanks. Maybe 3-4 of them but not 12. We had our chance at songs like GGT and Crazy Easy and they butchered it by putting out Stand Up. That album could have been amazing, but it has come and gone.

    Plus, most of those songs aren't good and some are down right bad. I have no interest in any of the bolded. In fact, they'd all probably turn me off to the album.
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    Old 11-29-2017, 09:26 AM   #336
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    Would be their best album since Busted Stuff.
    That's really not saying much.
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    Old 11-29-2017, 09:45 AM   #337
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    That's really not saying much.
    all IMO, of course, but I'd be very happy with an album considered even a bit better than BW. Such an album, though, could not be constructed out of recent songs we know of.
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    No thanks. Maybe 3-4 of them but not 12. We had our chance at songs like GGT and Crazy Easy and they butchered it by putting out Stand Up. That album could have been amazing, but it has come and gone.

    Plus, most of those songs aren't good and some are down right bad. I have no interest in any of the bolded. In fact, they'd all probably turn me off to the album.
    Damn, no love for IOY, Kill the King, or Break for It?
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    I'd just prefer an album of all new songs as opposed to rehashes. I loved Away From the World, so I still have faith they can come up with good new stuff.

    Not a big fan of Kill the King, and Idea of You never had any good set lyrics. Really like Black and Blue Bird, but I'm fine with it being just a live song.
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    all IMO, of course, but I'd be very happy with an album considered even a bit better than BW. Such an album, though, could not be constructed out of recent songs we know of.
    I think AFTW was a step back in the right direction, but I think they need to keep moving that way. And I definitely agree with your second sentence. While I think they could construct a decent album from '04 and later songs, it likely wouldn't be that great. Now if they want to take a mix of really old songs too and do something like:

    Granny
    Shotgun
    JTR
    New song
    Bismark
    Sweet Up and Down
    Samurai Cop
    New Song
    Monkey Man
    Crazy Easy
    Good Good Time
    New Song
    Shotgun

    That I'd be ok with. But they never will do something like that.

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    Damn, no love for IOY, Kill the King, or Break for It?
    I mean, Idea of You is fine. Certainly nothing special. It's just...it's fine. Very forgettable but certainly not in the same ballpark of shit as Blackjack or something. Kill the King isn't good. Break for It is also very forgettable, but I don't hate it.

    They all just feel like they suffer from the same problem that has been DMB's songwriting the last 10-11 years. Some good ideas that never actually feel complete or full. It's like it comes from a decent place but never fully develops into what it should be. Look at songs like DDTW or Satellite or Pig or Bartender as good examples. Modern day (I'm talking 2006 - Present) DMB would just stop at Leave Me Praying or Reconcile Our Differences and never actually get to Bartender. Leave Me Praying and Reconcile Our Differences is fine, but DDTW and Bartender are amazing. Does that make sense? I want to see DMB get back to Bartender instead of coming up with Reconcile Our Differences and calling it complete. IOY, KTK, Break for It, etc. all feel like Leave Me Praying. They're a start, but they just aren't "it" yet.
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    I think AFTW was a step back in the right direction, but I think they need to keep moving that way. And I definitely agree with your second sentence. While I think they could construct a decent album from '04 and later songs, it likely wouldn't be that great. Now if they want to take a mix of really old songs too and do something like:

    Granny
    Shotgun
    JTR
    New song
    Bismark
    Sweet Up and Down
    Samurai Cop
    New Song
    Monkey Man
    Crazy Easy
    Good Good Time
    New Song
    Shotgun

    That I'd be ok with. But they never will do something like that.



    I mean, Idea of You is fine. Certainly nothing special. It's just...it's fine. Very forgettable but certainly not in the same ballpark of shit as Blackjack or something. Kill the King isn't good. Break for It is also very forgettable, but I don't hate it.

    They all just feel like they suffer from the same problem that has been DMB's songwriting the last 10-11 years. Some good ideas that never actually feel complete or full. It's like it comes from a decent place but never fully develops into what it should be. Look at songs like DDTW or Satellite or Pig or Bartender as good examples. Modern day (I'm talking 2006 - Present) DMB would just stop at Leave Me Praying or Reconcile Our Differences and never actually get to Bartender. Leave Me Praying and Reconcile Our Differences is fine, but DDTW and Bartender are amazing. Does that make sense? I want to see DMB get back to Bartender instead of coming up with Reconcile Our Differences and calling it complete. IOY, KTK, Break for It, etc. all feel like Leave Me Praying. They're a start, but they just aren't "it" yet.
    I wonder how much of that is the lack of a quality producer.

    I hear you. Surprise you don't like KtK. I can understand IOY being a bit bland, maybe too radio friendly. And Break For It wasn't much for the few plays - though I think it would develop in the studio which is why I had interest in its addition.

    But can't disagree with most of what you're saying
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    Old 11-29-2017, 11:58 AM   #342
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    I saw Kill the King once in 2006 at Alpine, and it was part of easily the worst run from an otherwise fantastic weekend:

    Jimi Thing
    Crash into Me
    Kill the King
    Where Are You Going
    Break Free
    Louisiana Bayou

    I love Crash and don't hate Jimi like others do (but do think it needs a rest for a while), but that run was just very blehhhhhh. I do like Kill the King's hook, that "Save the world every time you walk in the room, what you do, you alone can save us all..." part. But again, it's just not a complete song. I think it has the bones of a song that shows potential, but in it's current form, I just don't like it.
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    Old 11-29-2017, 12:01 PM   #343
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    2006/2007 had some brutal runs.

    Hartford N1 '07 started with BOWA and then went:

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    And the producer thing is something to think about. Lillywhite certainly helped craft Pig into what we know it as today, despite Dave's, uh, hesitancy.

    But Dave also wrote Rhyme & Reason, Warehouse, Jane, etc. without the help of any producer. Granted that was a long time ago, but I don't think it's all on them. Dave needs to be better. Beyond all the other bullshit, it's that simple.
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    IOY will never be better than it was on its first play.
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    A producer -- a good producer -- is absolutely integral to an album. A good producer shapes the direction of the music.

    Think about Ballard. He was a good producer, but not necessarily right for DMB. The ED songs were very much DMB lyrically and melodically, and even progression was straight up DMB. But Glenn pushed a different direction than what was DMB and the record suffered. I'm not going to defend some of the shakier songs on it, but had there been a Lillywhite behind them, it may have been more appropriate.

    Then Batson convinced Dave to not be Dave on Stand Up ... to slow down and convinced him that the direction was right when Dave started questioning the quality of his own lyrics. Mark had good ideas on how to spark inspiration, but the execution was less than timeless.

    Cavallo nurtured the band's direction that felt natural to them and pulled back some of the more ambitious, yet 'they're-too-close-to-see-it's-not-working' ideas. Some of the choices were still questionable, but the end result was better.

    The producer absolutely does matter.
    Really well said.
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    And the producer thing is something to think about. Lillywhite certainly helped craft Pig into what we know it as today, despite Dave's, uh, hesitancy.

    But Dave also wrote Rhyme & Reason, Warehouse, Jane, etc. without the help of any producer. Granted that was a long time ago, but I don't think it's all on them. Dave needs to be better. Beyond all the other bullshit, it's that simple.
    The producer is certainly important. It's also been used as a crutch explanation for subpar music which at the end of the day is on the band. They need to take ownership of what they're putting out and if it's not working with a producer they're free to move on to someone else. They're not employed by the producer. Yea Batson was a terrible at his job, but they still hired him and let that album happen. I blame them foremost for the missteps they've had in the past.
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    Old 11-29-2017, 12:24 PM   #348
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    I saw Kill the King once in 2006 at Alpine, and it was part of easily the worst run from an otherwise fantastic weekend:

    Jimi Thing
    Crash into Me
    Kill the King
    Where Are You Going
    Break Free
    Louisiana Bayou

    I love Crash and don't hate Jimi like others do (but do think it needs a rest for a while), but that run was just very blehhhhhh. I do like Kill the King's hook, that "Save the world every time you walk in the room, what you do, you alone can save us all..." part. But again, it's just not a complete song. I think it has the bones of a song that shows potential, but in it's current form, I just don't like it.
    I would willingly take this run in 2018 lol. I like KTK and Crash. Break Free is one of my favorites...Fenway version is amazing. I would take Bayou over Where Are You Going at any show. At least Bayou has some energy.
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    The producer is certainly important. It's also been used as a crutch explanation for subpar music which at the end of the day is on the band. They need to take ownership of what they're putting out and if it's not working with a producer they're free to move on to someone else. They're not employed by the producer. Yea Batson was a terrible at his job, but they still hired him and let that album happen. I blame them foremost for the missteps they've had in the past.
    Agreed. Like I said, when you boil it all down the bottom line is - Dave just needs to be better. They all do, but most of it rests on him. Period. Producer's importance is certainly understood, but ultimately songs come down to Dave.

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    I would willingly take this run in 2018 lol. I like KTK and Crash. Break Free is one of my favorites...Fenway version is amazing. I would take Bayou over Where Are You Going at any show. At least Bayou has some energy.
    I love Crash. One of my all-time favorites. But it's not going to save anything when sandwiched in the middle of a run of mediocrity.
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    And the producer thing is something to think about. Lillywhite certainly helped craft Pig into what we know it as today, despite Dave's, uh, hesitancy.

    But Dave also wrote Rhyme & Reason, Warehouse, Jane, etc. without the help of any producer. Granted that was a long time ago, but I don't think it's all on them. Dave needs to be better. Beyond all the other bullshit, it's that simple.
    The difference with the pre-1996 tunes is that they were worked out by all five guys repeatedly before being recorded. They were fleshed out, ideas tested and rejected and improved upon before entering the studio. The crowd reaction in the clubs told them they were going the right way. They haven't had that sort of honest audience reaction since.

    But you hit the nail on the head - the quality of writing by Dave just needs to be better. It's been a long time since a new tune grabbed me the way the '04 songs did.
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    Dave said that he only writes about his kids. No more songs about his kids. Start watching ants on the ground again or something and see what happens.
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    The difference with the pre-1996 tunes is that they were worked out by all five guys repeatedly before being recorded. They were fleshed out, ideas tested and rejected and improved upon before entering the studio. The crowd reaction in the clubs told them they were going the right way. They haven't had that sort of honest audience reaction since.
    Agreed, but when they do "road test" songs, they bail on almost all of them. How many road tested songs since 2004 have actually made an album? Just Hello Again? And even that was a bastardized version that made the album.

    The list of songs they "road test" and then quit on is WAY too long. They're just lazy. Or they can't write the same anymore.

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    Dave said that he only writes about his kids. No more songs about his kids. Start watching ants on the ground again or something and see what happens.
    Seriously. I don't care that Dave's kid is in swimming lessons.
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    Just give me 12 of any of these tracks on an album and I'll probably be happy:

    Idea of You
    Samurai Cop
    Bismarck
    Death on the High Seas
    Bob Law
    Shotgun
    Kill the King
    Here on Out
    Good Good Time
    Do You Remember
    Crazy Easy
    Black and Blue Bird
    Break Free
    Virginia in the Rain
    Blackjack
    Break for It
    Falling off the Roof
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    Fills me with hope about the general fanbase that Cornbread beat Monkey Man.

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    The difference with the pre-1996 tunes is that they were worked out by all five guys repeatedly before being recorded. They were fleshed out, ideas tested and rejected and improved upon before entering the studio. The crowd reaction in the clubs told them they were going the right way. They haven't had that sort of honest audience reaction since.
    That's really interesting. Do you think that actually played a significant role, listening to the crowd??
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    The difference with the pre-1996 tunes is that they were worked out by all five guys repeatedly before being recorded. They were fleshed out, ideas tested and rejected and improved upon before entering the studio. The crowd reaction in the clubs told them they were going the right way. They haven't had that sort of honest audience reaction since.

    That's really interesting. Do you think that actually played a significant role, listening to the crowd??
    Absolutely. Maybe not in the literal sense of fans telling them what they liked, but when you're playing to a smaller crowd you can gauge their actual reactions and feed off that - and not just go by what they say after.

    During a particular passage, do they tend to go hang by the bar more or get more entrenched in their own conversations? If a particular song order doesn't work, you can tell right away. If there's a crowd favorite, it's obvious because there are discernible faces - not thousands of disembodied screams and cheers. You don't go into a gig thinking every single song is going to be a crowd favorite, you're not even thinking like that. It's only after the gig, after the adrenaline fades, when you start to reflect on the show ... you realize what worked and didn't. Maybe you don't talk about it as a group, but at the next rehearsal or before the next gig, someone brings it up. 'That song is fun, but people liked this one better.' 'Yeah, those people on the side kind of stopped paying attention.' 'The solo on X kind of went nowhere, what if we try it this way.' It's all organic.

    This is what I think really happened to tunes like "Doobie Thing" and "Get In Line." It's been years since I listened to either, but IIRC the crowd noise on the bootlegs was less applause and more background din than on "Recently" or "Warehouse" or "Granny."
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    I agree with the idea that road testing songs is only good from the stand point that the songs get to a place where they are 80% done before heading to the studio to finalize them. DMB doesn't seem like they want to experiment or openly jam on stage anymore, so that doesn't really apply like it used to. Even the 2004 songs haven't really evolved in 13 years even though they were never officially recorded. They've had minor changes sure, but why did they never get finalized? Fans love those songs because they were road tested, and wanted to hear the polished studio version. The band said too bad.

    As much as the live versions of DMB blow the studio versions out of the water, as a fan I want both. I want a great studio version of Sugar Will or Break Free or Black and Bluebird even. Just like Two Step is better live, it doesn't mean the studio version is bad! The studio version is unreal. It's just live takes it to another level. There's so much opportunity in the studio.
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    Old 12-11-2017, 10:35 PM   #357
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    Interesting post...

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    I hear people say stuff like that alot on here. Do people think the band doesn't like BT or something?
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