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Old 07-19-2019, 07:37 AM   #361
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29 shows (starting with the 2003 tour).....I have seen Sleep to Dream Her 3 times....I have only seen The Stone 3 times.
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    I've seen DMB 19 times and seen 117 unique songs, but I've seen Phish only 7 times and I've seen 118 unique songs
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    Old 06-26-2020, 05:35 PM   #363
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    129 shows since 1998 and That Girl Is You is my 5th most common opener:

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    Old 06-26-2020, 06:15 PM   #364
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    This is the longest I've gone without seeing some incarnation of DMB live on stage in over a decade, 567 days and counting. It looks like I'll easily hit 800 days.

    Prior to this the longest I'd gone was 391 days, from 6/17/17 to 7/13/18.
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    Old 06-26-2020, 06:42 PM   #365
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    129 shows since 1998 and That Girl Is You is my 5th most common opener:

    Don't Drink the Water 11
    One Sweet World 11
    Everyday 7
    Bartender 6
    That Girl Is You 5

    Openers are weird like that, Ive always found it an interesting statistic. In my 75 shows across all formats I have seen 45 different openers
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    Old 06-27-2020, 02:49 PM   #366
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    I have only been to 9 shows, but i have seen #40 three times (including all of the last three times it’s been played) and I’ve seen #41 6 times (my most seen song) and it opened 2 of the 9 shows.
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    Old 06-27-2020, 03:14 PM   #367
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    Kill the King has been played 13 times and I've seen it three times.

    I saw the last two JTR's of the 2013 summer tour (6/29, 7/3) and then caught it's liberation on 7/14/2018. So three straight performances.

    Another JTR one. It's been played 15 times since 2013 and I've seen five of those.

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    Old 08-25-2021, 10:31 AM   #368
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    I have seen Captain at each of my last two shows (Darien Lake 2018 and Syracuse 2021).

    I’ve gotten Dreaming Tree, Captain, GGT, and Snow Outside 3 times each, JTR twice, Last Stop 4 times, but still no Drive In Drive Out.
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    Old 08-25-2021, 10:49 AM   #369
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    This is the longest I've gone without seeing some incarnation of DMB live on stage in over a decade, 567 days and counting. It looks like I'll easily hit 800 days.

    Prior to this the longest I'd gone was 391 days, from 6/17/17 to 7/13/18.
    We had an unexpected/unintentional 2,351 days from 2003 to 2010.

    My wife was pregnant with our first at the 2003 show and pregnant with our second at the 2010 show.

    Neither of these were DMB shows.
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    Old 08-25-2021, 10:56 AM   #370
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    My rarity index is going up rapidly, and I’m not sure what rare shit is being played now to make it rise
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    Old 08-25-2021, 05:29 PM   #371
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    I have seen Captain at each of my last two shows (Darien Lake 2018 and Syracuse 2021).

    I’ve gotten Dreaming Tree, Captain, GGT, and Snow Outside 3 times each, JTR twice, Last Stop 4 times, but still no Drive In Drive Out.
    thats pretty amazing. still need to see DT

    i saw the final last stop in 2010 cville.. followed by its liberation in 2016. and then its last play in 16 .. and its only sighting in 18. and almost its td in 19 but couldnt go to the show last minute!

    here to its not truncated version coming out at PNC next month ..
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    Old 08-25-2021, 11:12 PM   #372
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    26 shows, and Pig is my most common opener:

    Pig (3)
    BOWA (2)
    Louisiana Bayou (2)
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    Old 08-25-2021, 11:54 PM   #373
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    I've seen 34 openers in 46 shows...That seems impressive.
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    Old 08-26-2021, 05:10 PM   #374
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    Was a little curious after reading some of these

    First live song: Jimi Thing

    26 Live debuts: PNP-Rapunzel (w/ lyrics) / Stay / Stone / Crush / Last Stop / Pig / DDTW / So Right / WTWE / Sleep to Dream Her / What You Are / Angel / Everyday / Waste / Kit Kat Jam (w/ lyrics) / Captain (full band) / Sex Machine / Good Good Time (D&F) / Falling Off the Roof / Melissa / Kit Kat Jam (w/out lyrics) / Samurai Cop / Again and Again / Bismark / Sexy MF / She

    Maybe being at the live debut of KKJ with lyrics and also without is my strangest stat, without digging into liberations and such.

    Would love to get Spoon, Let You Down, AB Intro, and Everybody Wake Up to finish the older albums but very unlikely at this point. MAYBE if I'm really lucky I could get Spoon or EWU in OK
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    Old 08-27-2021, 08:53 AM   #375
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    I've seen 34 openers in 46 shows...That seems impressive.
    I can confirm, that is impressive. I'm at 38 openers in 74 shows.
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    Old 08-27-2021, 09:28 AM   #376
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    26 shows, and Pig is my most common opener:

    Pig (3)
    BOWA (2)
    Louisiana Bayou (2)
    Seek up (2)
    Similarly... 29 shows and The Stone is my most common opener:

    The Stone (5)
    Seek Up (2)
    You Never Know (2)
    TGIY (2)
    Again and Again (2)
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    Old 08-27-2021, 10:49 AM   #377
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    20 shows…

    Most played songs:

    Grey street 13
    #41 10
    DDTW 10
    Everyday 10
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    Old 08-27-2021, 03:01 PM   #378
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    At 13 shows since 2009, I've seen The Stone 0 times and Halloween 3 times.

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    My rarity index is going up rapidly, and I’m not sure what rare shit is being played now to make it rise
    Maybe I should just email Matt, but perhaps someone here is a numbers wizard and can figure it out.

    I get the gist of the rarity index (I think)...basically it’s measuring the rarity of all the songs you’ve seen collectively. But what does it take to move that number? So speaking for me personally, I saw a big chunk of the D&F tour which I assume is what gives me such a low rarity index (I’ve seen like half of the total plays of things like Up & Away, Too High, Grey Blue Eyes, etc). So if any of those were to be played my rarity index would increase (cause they get more plays thus less rare)? Is SUAD being played moving its rarity index that much?

    Actually, now that I’m looking at the rarity index for individual songs I have no clue how it works! So let’s take two cover songs - Sex Machine and Friend of the Devil, both only played once like 15 years apart. Sex Machine has a user rating (me) of 1.64% and overall rarity of .08%. FOTD has a user rating of 11.11% and overall of .28%. Can anyone tell me how that works?
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    For that second part - DMB (or the like) has okayed sex machine at .08% of all shows. Ever. You have seen it at 1.64% of your shows.

    Another example, I’ve seen grey street 14 times out of 22 shows for a personal rarity index of 0.66 or 66%.

    DMB total has a rarity index for Grey Street of 41.77%.

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    Old 08-29-2021, 07:06 AM   #381
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    For that second part - DMB (or the like) has okayed sex machine at .08% of all shows. Ever. You have seen it at 1.64% of your shows.
    So wouldn’t the same apply to FOTD? If it has been played once, and I was there, wouldn’t the % be the same?
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    Old 08-29-2021, 07:09 AM   #382
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    Actually, is the percent based on all time or just since the first time it was played? That might be it! Still not sure about the first question though.
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    Maybe I should just email Matt, but perhaps someone here is a numbers wizard and can figure it out.

    I get the gist of the rarity index (I think)...basically it’s measuring the rarity of all the songs you’ve seen collectively. But what does it take to move that number? So speaking for me personally, I saw a big chunk of the D&F tour which I assume is what gives me such a low rarity index (I’ve seen like half of the total plays of things like Up & Away, Too High, Grey Blue Eyes, etc). So if any of those were to be played my rarity index would increase (cause they get more plays thus less rare)? Is SUAD being played moving its rarity index that much?

    Actually, now that I’m looking at the rarity index for individual songs I have no clue how it works! So let’s take two cover songs - Sex Machine and Friend of the Devil, both only played once like 15 years apart. Sex Machine has a user rating (me) of 1.64% and overall rarity of .08%. FOTD has a user rating of 11.11% and overall of .28%. Can anyone tell me how that works?
    There's a lot going on here, so this is a great question/discussion. I'm constantly trying to improve the usability of the site, so I've been adding more and more "tool tips" - but I realize those aren't too effective on a touch device. So a glossary page might be in our future as well. Anyway, per the tool tip on any show's page:

    "Each song's rarity index represents how often a song is played historically since its debut. If a song has a rarity index of 25, that means it has been played at 1 out of every 4 shows since its debut. This show's overall rarity index is an average of each song's overall rarity index. It indicates how common a show's setlist is historically."

    Now, key points about any song's rarity index:
    --Yes, it's only counted from its first performance. Shows before it can't be counted, as it's unfair to consider a show to be a missed opportunity when the song hadn't been invented yet.
    --Rarity indicies exclude teases. The shows are counted but the tease is not counted as a true performance of the song.
    --While a song being "rare" doesn't necessarily make it *good*, one would typically consider it desirable to see a show with more rare songs than one with songs played all the time. Thus, the lower the rarity index, the more "rare" a show is, because the rarity index represents a percentage.


    For your personal stats, we treat songs very much the same way, as it depends on when you first saw the song. This can certainly be confusing, because while a song may have existed in your early shows (but gone unplayed), the clock only really starts the first time you have seen the song. So in your case, you've been to 78 shows (hey! so have I!), but if they played FOTD during that 78th show, you would currently have a user rarity of 100% for that song. If they didn't play it at your 79th show, it would go down to 50%, and so on.

    This is a great concept to talk about, because having written it out for the purpose of this topic has caused me to think on it more, and that might not be the optimal way to do it. Perhaps I'll switch it to start counting all shows you've been to since the song's debut, rather than just *your* personal debut of the song, as it is now.

    In recent days, I've also built in the feature of a song's "point in time" rarity index, as well as its tour index! I know, more data, but I'm hoping to make it clearer going forward. A song's overall rarity index is as I described above: from the day of performance #1 until present day, what percentage of shows was that song played at? Point in time rarity is that same metric, but instead of "present day" - it's any given day/show you happen to be looking at. I've also got graphs built that show the point in time rarity over the course of time, compared to the (constant) overall rarity as it is now. (Not yet public but will be releasing hopefully soon)

    There's also a "tour" rarity index, and that's the same concept, but with the boundaries of the current tour put on it. For example, IBYU was played a couple of shows ago. There have been 19 shows played. 1/19 = ~5.55%, so that's its tour rarity thus far, which is actually *even less* than its historical rarity of 7.75%. (You can see that sort of stuff on the Live Show page or the Tour Song Stats page.

    I really hope that sheds some light on the feature. I'm actually putting a lot of time into both new and existing features of Tour Central and the greater site, hoping to put out more interesting data and make it more consumable. Then my attention will once again turn to the DMB Hub app. So far this tour, I've put a ton of new stuff in (Deep Search, Point in Time rarity indicies, Divergence Factor, DMB Hub Stubs on Ants, Live Setlist standings on Ants, point in time liberations, countless fixes and tweaks) in addition to migrating to new servers and juggling life in general. I've got a couple of really cool features around ShowFlow data that will hopefully be useful as well, as you'll really be able to see which songs you like, or dislike, over time!
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    That is a huge help Matt! Thanks for taking the time to explain!
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    Old 08-29-2021, 09:38 AM   #385
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    Hey Matt, I’ve mentioned this a few times but one stat that I would live to see is a list of the top ten most played songs that I haven’t heard live yet. I know people get caught up in song chasing from the stand point of finishing albums but it’s a great perspective to throw in. There are tons of covers and non album songs that have more plays than the studio album songs.
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    Old 08-29-2021, 09:52 AM   #386
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    I wish they didn't include Tim's solo songs into the statistics. D&T shows get a much higher rarity score since they feature songs like: The Wayfarer, Kundalini Bonfire, and other shit that's never played at DMB gigs.
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    I wish they didn't include Tim's solo songs into the statistics. D&T shows get a much higher rarity score since they feature songs like: The Wayfarer, Kundalini Bonfire, and other shit that's never played at DMB gigs.
    We started down this path when we introduced our version of liberations, and this will extend to artist-based rarity indices as well. Stay tuned
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    Hey Matt, I’ve mentioned this a few times but one stat that I would live to see is a list of the top ten most played songs that I haven’t heard live yet. I know people get caught up in song chasing from the stand point of finishing albums but it’s a great perspective to throw in. There are tons of covers and non album songs that have more plays than the studio album songs.
    I'd love this.
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    36 shows since ‘02 and still no You Never Know . . . Top 5 song for me and just can’t see it live.
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    This is a crazy stat.

    I’ve seen it three times since 08. Twice as an opener. Only ONCE with the drum/carter opener. Seems the just go right into it now. Shame.
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